Former ACORN Director Gets $445 Mil From U.S. Treasury

So now you are back to referencing the number of employees convicted vs. the number as a whole?

Seriously, pick a standard.

Seriously... 15 for ONE organization. That is the number that is of concern.

By your standards, all criminals should be held unaccountable because as a percent of the population they are not that great a number.

Crime is crime Dune. Fraud is fraud. Had it been an isolated incident in one state, that would be one thing. But it was 15 convictions in multiple states, not to mention the embezzlement that occurred. Not an organization that should receive tax payer funding. You on the other hand are free to donate as much as you like to them.

Damn, you are a moron today.

Using the standard figure of 3.2% of the population being criminal, ACORN is near angelic in the remarkably small number of problems, but keep telling yourself whatever it takes to feel OK about your self.

3.2% criminality times 500,000 SUBCONTRACTORS (asshole) means that ACORN was an almost unbelievably moral organization. Idiot.

Litterally more members of the NYPD were convicted last year. Should they stop being taxpayer funded? Get some sleep simplefreak. You are not OK.
 
In summary and to repeat... the 15 convicted of registration fraud are also criminals.

And they were dealt with by the authorities. ACORN, however, was found innocent of any wrongdoing. Period.

if there is fraud in their organization to the extent it was in ACORN, they should not receive tax payer funding.

ACORN did nothing wrong. Why withhold their tax payer funding?

I will ask you this, given that ACORN was so 'valuable'... why did the left not fund it from other sources? The federal funding was not the major source of revenue for them from what I have read. Why did other Dem/left groups/individuals not support it??? Why did Dems in DC vote to defund it? Why didn't Obama stand up to those that wanted to defund it?

Please tell me you're kidding. Why aren't you outraged over the manner in which the group was slandered and maligned by the likes of James O'Keefe and Breitbart with their lies? That's the scandal here. There was no choice.

Fortunately, other groups still exist, many former ACORN offices, doing the same good work.

Now. Can you tell me why O'Keefe isn't in prison?
 
And they were dealt with by the authorities. ACORN, however, was found innocent of any wrongdoing. Period.

No, they were found innocent of voter fraud. The embezzlement alone was evidence of the corruption at the head of ACORN. The 15 convictions of employees added to the need to defund. An effort supported by the Supermajority of Dems in Congress and President Obama.

ACORN did nothing wrong. Why withhold their tax payer funding?

Fraud and embezzlement. Yeah... nothing to see here.

Please tell me you're kidding. Why aren't you outraged over the manner in which the group was slandered and maligned by the likes of James O'Keefe and Breitbart with their lies? That's the scandal here. There was no choice.

Why can you not answer the question? Instead you jump to Okeefe again. If ACORN was so valuable, why did the left not save it? Why did other left groups not fund the difference? ACORN supposedly collected $53 million from the Feds over 15+ years. That is not much. yet the left outside of DC howls about racism being behind the defunding.

Fortunately, other groups still exist, many former ACORN offices, doing the same good work.

Good.

Now. Can you tell me why O'Keefe isn't in prison?

No, I cannot tell you that. I honestly have not followed anything about him since it became known he edited those tapes. Tell me, what is it that he did that he should be in jail for?
 
And they were dealt with by the authorities. ACORN, however, was found innocent of any wrongdoing. Period.



ACORN did nothing wrong. Why withhold their tax payer funding?



Please tell me you're kidding. Why aren't you outraged over the manner in which the group was slandered and maligned by the likes of James O'Keefe and Breitbart with their lies? That's the scandal here. There was no choice.

Fortunately, other groups still exist, many former ACORN offices, doing the same good work.

Now. Can you tell me why O'Keefe isn't in prison?

Thank you.
 
No, they were found innocent of voter fraud. The embezzlement alone was evidence of the corruption at the head of ACORN.

The embezzlement happened in 1999 at the NO office. It was not national and again, nobody was convicted.

Why can you not answer the question? Instead you jump to Okeefe again. If ACORN was so valuable, why did the left not save it? Why did other left groups not fund the difference? ACORN supposedly collected $53 million from the Feds over 15+ years. That is not much. yet the left outside of DC howls about racism being behind the defunding.

Charges of racism? I'd like a link for that please. As far as O'Keefe, I bring him up again because you don't understand: ACORN was convicted of nothing, O'Keefe was. That is the difference.

Why can't you defend O'Keefe and Breitbart? Because they were criminals. And I already said why ACORN was allowed to be dissolved.
 
The embezzlement happened in 1999 at the NO office. It was not national and again, nobody was convicted.

1) The embezzlement was not admitted to until 2008 by the board of directors
2) No one being convicted doesn't mean a crime didn't occur... in this case the statute of limitations ran out before the authorities knew about it, because ACORN kept it internal.

Charges of racism? I'd like a link for that please.

Um... Darla and others have shouted it consistently. Are you actually reading this thread?

As far as O'Keefe, I bring him up again because you don't understand: ACORN was convicted of nothing, O'Keefe was. That is the difference.

Yes, I do understand, ACORN the entity has not been convicted. However, ACORN the entity did have 15 employees convicted of registration fraud. ACORN the entity did have embezzlement issues. Why you on the left want to justify that with the 'hey other people did stuff too' is what I do not understand.


Why can't you defend O'Keefe and Breitbart? Because they were criminals. And I already said why ACORN was allowed to be dissolved.

I have no reason to defend either of them. Okeefe was convicted of a misdemeanor B&E... which should have been a felony in my opinion.

What was Breitbart convicted of?

As for ACORN... you have not given a reason that ACORN was allowed by the left to go under. Or is this another liberal thing where they can only be funded if done with tax payers money? Why could the left not have given them a few million a year from donations from the likes of Soros etc...???
 
Oh...but you don't know anything about O'Keefe because you've "not followed anything about him".

Are you really so clueless that you think you haven't fully exposed your hopeless bias?

I had to look up why he was convicted and what he did to get it...

As for following him, why would I? Once he was proven to have Michael Moore'ed the tape, he was as irrelevant to me as Michael Moore.
 
I had to look up why he was convicted and what he did to get it...

As for following him, why would I? Once he was proven to have Michael Moore'ed the tape, he was as irrelevant to me as Michael Moore.

Oops. Too late. You have no credibility.

One couldn't possibly be interested in the veracity of the ACORN story WITHOUT following what happened to O'Keefe. You claim you 'haven't followed' him because you know goddamn well what he did and it lays waste to what you would prefer to believe.
 
Link your source for their funding, please.

Budget

Until the controversies of 2008 and 2009, ACORN had an annual budget of approximately US$25 million, with approximately 10% of those funds coming from federal sources, a smaller figure from state sources, and the rest coming from supporters and membership. HUD estimates that ACORN received $42 million since the 2000 budget year while the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee estimates that ACORN received $53 million in federal funds since 1994.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Community_Organizations_for_Reform_Now

Amazing how an organization with 500,000 employees as Dune claims only had a budget of $25mm. That is about $50 each. Makes Walmart look like a cush job.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/06/ag-acorn-embezzlement-totaled-m-m/

Yeah... no wrong doing...

Also... they were found innocent of not committing voter fraud. That was all they were found innocent of.

Was Rathke convicted? No.

Was ACORN convicted? No. If I remember correctly, at least three federal judges cleared them of any wrongdoing.

Was O'Keefe convicted? Yes. He should have been convicted more...

Until you come up with a conviction of ACORN, not one of it's volunteers, this conversation is over.
 
Oops. Too late. You have no credibility.

One couldn't possibly be interested in the veracity of the ACORN story WITHOUT following what happened to O'Keefe. You claim you 'haven't followed' him because you know goddamn well what he did and it lays waste to what you would prefer to believe.

The Okeefe tapes have nothing to do with what I stated. The embezzlement happened long before O'Keefe... and the voter registration fraud convictions in 2010 also stemmed from incidents prior to Okeefe.

But do continue spouting your rage on the board. You obviously have nothing else to offer.
 
I had to look up why he was convicted and what he did to get it...

As for following him, why would I? Once he was proven to have Michael Moore'ed the tape, he was as irrelevant to me as Michael Moore.

:palm: they don't call you a freak for nothing.
 
The Okeefe tapes have nothing to do with what I stated. The embezzlement happened long before O'Keefe... and the voter registration fraud convictions in 2010 also stemmed from incidents prior to Okeefe.

But do continue spouting your rage on the board. You obviously have nothing else to offer.

Do you think anything you write about this has any credibility, now that you've exposed your hopeless bias? Bleating bs about how you 'haven't followed' O'Keefe? Your crap opinion on ACORN is without merit. Thank yourself.
 
Was Rathke convicted? No.

Again... because the statute of limitations ran out. Did he embezzle funds? Absolutely.

Was ACORN convicted? No. If I remember correctly, at least three federal judges cleared them of any wrongdoing.

No, again... they were not convicted as an organization. Are you morphing into Jarod? Where you ask the same questions over and over again, eliciting the same responses from me, then ignoring my responses and questions to you?

Did 15 of their employees get convicted? Yes or no?

Was O'Keefe convicted? Yes. He should have been convicted more...

I agree... he should have been hit with a felony.

Until you come up with a conviction of ACORN, not one of it's volunteers, this conversation is over.

So in other words, you will continue to bury your head in the sand. Understood.
 
Do you think anything you write about this has any credibility, now that you've exposed your hopeless bias? Bleating bs about how you 'haven't followed' O'Keefe? Your crap opinion on ACORN is without merit. Thank yourself.

LMAO... bias against corruption. Yes. The constant need for you to bring up Okeefe shows that it is you that is hopelessly biased.

I am happy that you find Okeefe so enthralling that you have followed his every move. Once he was shown to be like Michael Moore, I ignored him like I do Moore. But you keep on following Okeefe's life journey... you seem to think he is a man of great importance.

Nothing about Okeefe has anything to do with what I have stated about ACORN and you know it. Which is why you continue to post moronic comments like the above.
 
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