Florida plans to become first state to eliminate all childhood vaccine mandates

[LichGold]

Nope. The deal was that hospitals and/or counties would be given more money based on the number of "COVID Deaths" ... which didn't mean that they had to have died from COVID, but they had to be dead.

No testing was required. Doctors and medical examiners were taken on their word ... for which they were given broad leeway to presume that the deceased had COVID at death, which was then termed a "COVID death" for which they would cash in on a bonus payment. Again, the death did not have be caused by COVID (because COVID doesn't kill), merely that the deceased was declared to have had COVID at the time of death, and that made it a COVID death and mo'-money mo'-money mo'-money!

Yes, it was a scam to get the highest numbers of "COVID Deaths" as possible so as to ... you guessed it ... inculcate abject panic.

Nobody died from COVID. Exactly the same number of people died during the COVID hoax as did prior.

Covid can probably kill if you cancel the fever. Covid virus starts to melt at 37°c which isn't even a low grade fever. Whole truth is it's extremely stupid to cancel or reduce fevers. You should exacerbate fevers. Hot sugary coffee fuels a fever nicely but also have some vitamin c, capsicum, onions and chicken fats. My cold remedy is chicken heart tinola(extra onions) with a hot latte'. There's also some nice supplements that fuel inflammatory response. Stupid expensive.

The point is, covid can kill idiots and junky faggots.

Virus so deadly all you need is a hot bath to cure it.

If you can push your fever up to 39°c you can cook it out in a couple hours.

Lots of folks think ivermectin cures covid and it's because they stop taking ibuprofen once they start taking ivermectin.

 

[Scott]

A common occurrence. People come for different reasons. Some, especially the MAGAts, just come here to vent their spleens. Most are very unhappy with their lives and they are too weak and stupid to take responsibility for their own happiness.

I see that Lichgold responded to your post by calling those on the left 'salty fag****' in his response to your post. As for myself, I feel it's a tragedy that people on both sides treat each other so badly. I tend to alternate "sides", going right when it comes to things like covid and vaccines, going left when it comes to LGBTQ issues. I tend to stick to just one issue at a time to avoid the vertigo of having the same people who insult me in one thread be my allies in another.

What are the top five LGBTQ issues? I'm only aware of one.

What would that be? In any case, I decided to do a search for LGBTQ issues. I came up with battles instead:

9 Battles The LGBTQ Community In The US Is Still Fighting

Here are some of the battles for LGBTQ equality that are still being fought across the country.

www.globalcitizen.org

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I see that Lichgold responded to your post by calling those on the left 'salty fag****' in his response to your post. As for myself, I feel it's a tragedy that people on both sides treat each other so badly. I tend to alternate "sides", going right when it comes to things like covid and vaccines, going left when it comes to LGBTQ issues. I tend to stick to just one issue at a time to avoid the vertigo of having the same people who insult me in one thread be my allies in another .

That would be common coming from a MAGAt. There's a few on the left who are just as extreme, but overall the demographic for MAGAts is elderly, lonely, misogynistic, racist Euro-American males. Most appear to be posting from a facility or living alone in their single-wide.

IMO, they are scared, feeble, ostracized from their own families and more than a little addled. I have over 40 of them on ignore, but it's not that difficult to understand what they posted by the responses of those not on ignore because it's always the same old shit like you quoted from Lick.

 

[Scott]

I think at this point you're just trolling IBD.

... or you could hazard an answer.

Why do you think contract killings are OK?

[ for purposes of discussion, a "contract killing" is defined as the killing of living human A by living human B who was paid by living human C for his "unaliving" services. Furthermore, living human A does not get a say in the matter, the killing fee is negotiated between humans B and C, and the entire matter is human C's choice. ]

I once had a young female friend who also liked to take control of language terms when it came to abortion. It ended in us being unable to discuss the subject anymore because she refused to accept dictionary definitions of the term. Will you accept either of the following terms for abortion which are used by the American Heritage Dictionary, 5th edition?

**

• noun Induced termination of a pregnancy with destruction of the embryo or fetus.
• noun Any of various procedures that result in the termination of a pregnancy.

**

Source:

abortion — definition, examples, related words and more at Wordnik

All the words

www.wordnik.com

 

[Scott]

Again from what I've read, it seems the general reason women who -do- get an abortion is for economic reasons.

Well, the unbrella reason women have for putting a hit out on their own children is "convenience." Less than 1% do so because the mother's life is somehow at risk.

I just pulled up an article on reasons why women have abortions. Convenience was not one of the reasons mentioned. From the article in question:
**

Financial circumstances​

Around 40% of people mentioned a financial reason for needing an abortion. Most of them had general financial concerns or said they could not afford to support a child.
Around 4% said a lack of employment contributed to their decision, and 0.6% said they terminated their pregnancies because of a lack of insurance or government assistance.

Timing​

More than one-third (36%) of study participants cited reasons relating to timing. Some felt they were not emotionally or financially ready to have a baby, while others felt they were too old to have a child.

Partner-related reasons​

Almost one-third (31%) of study participants gave reasons relating to their partner.
For example, some said they did not have a good or stable relationship with their partner or that their partner was unsupportive. Around 8% wanted to get married before having children. Others mentioned that they had a partner who was abusive or who did not want the baby.
**

Source:

The reasons for abortion: Statistics, safety, and access

There are many reasons for abortion, ranging from serious health risks and family planning to financial concerns. Learn more here.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

 

[Scott]

I agree with you on a -lot- of what you posted, with 1 caveat- whether it was a planned scam or just an accidental one.

It was a planned scam, the purpose of which was to either get Trump out of office or to ensure he was not reelected.

I haven't seen any evidence for either of those positions.

In other words, when the congressmen who passed the laws that enabled this really trying to create a panic? I don't know about that. But the results speak for themselves. Quoting from a USA Today article on the subject:
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The claim: Hospitals get paid more if patients are listed as COVID-19, and on ventilators​

Sen. Scott Jensen, R-Minn., a physician in Minnesota, was interviewed by "The Ingraham Angle" host Laura Ingraham on April 8 on Fox News and claimed hospitals get paid more if Medicare patients are listed as having COVID-19 and get three times as much money if they need a ventilator.

The claim was published April 9 by The Spectator, a conservative publication. WorldNetDaily shared it April 10 and, according to Snopes, a related meme was shared on social media in mid-April.

Jensen took it to his own Facebook page April 15, saying, in part:

"How can anyone not believe that increasing the number of COVID-19 deaths may create an avenue for states to receive a larger portion of federal dollars. Already some states are complaining that they are not getting enough of the CARES Act dollars because they are having significantly more proportional COVID-19 deaths."

On April 19, he doubled down on his assertion via video on his Facebook page.

Jensen said, "Hospital administrators might well want to see COVID-19 attached to a discharge summary or a death certificate. Why? Because if it's a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for – if they're Medicare – typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000. But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000."
**
Source:

Fact check: Hospitals get paid more if patients listed as COVID-19, on ventilators

Hospitals are paid more for Medicare patients with COVID-19, but a senator who first said that says he doesn't think the system is being gamed.

www.usatoday.com

**

Yes, so hospitals and counties gave their doctors and medical examiners respectively specific guidance (which actually came from the CDC) to simply hard-code "COVID-19" in the "Cause of Death" section of the death certificate below the actual cause of death, to get it into the "Cause of Death" section. The giveaway is its position under the actual cause of death, i.e. it's fraud, plain and simple.

Alright, so your argument is that hospitals and counties engaged in a scam by giving their doctors and medical examiners respectively specific guide to simply hard-code- "Covid-19" in the cause of death section of the death certificate, but you do mention they were following the CDC's guidance- so was the CDC the true perpetrator and the hospitals and counties were... co-conspirators? I admit that I'm not sure what to believe in all of this, but I definitely think what they did is wrong. I'm just not sure if they saw it that way. I will note that a journalist I knew briefly who used to work exclusively as a medical journalist wrote the following article regarding Canadian care homes:

Were conditions for high death rates at Care Homes created on purpose?

Rosemary Frei During the COVID-19 pandemic, people in care homes have been dying in droves. Why is this happening? Is it simply because older adults are very vulnerable to SARS-CoV-2 and therefore …

off-guardian.org

Since I don't agree that biological viruses exist, I clearly disagree with her on some things she brings up in the article, but others, such as bureaucrats developing "extremely broad definitions of novel-coronavirus infections and outbreaks" I think we can both agree with.

She also does an interview with James Corbett on her article here (I haven't yet seen it):

WATCH: James Corbett interviews Rosemary Frei on Canadian care homes scandal

Independent journalist (and regular OffG contributor) Rosemary Frei sits down with James Corbett to discuss her recent article “Were conditions for high death rates at Care Homes created on purpose…

off-guardian.org

 

[Scott]

The extreme rise in autism numbers is very concerning... It is such a complex issue and there needs to be studies pertaining to more accurate diagnosis... (Not just labeling to give in
to pressures from parents and teachers.)

There have actually been quite a few studies that get into plausible associations between vaccines and autism. There's a website that claims to have "a list of abstracts from 239 papers demonstrating the multiple associations between vaccines and autism"

I personally haven't counted the papers in question, but it certainly does appear to be quite a few. Feel free to take a look:

How Do Vaccines Cause Autism?

The Body of Research Supporting Vaccine Autism Causation

howdovaccinescauseautism.org

What I'd like to stress is that no one, to my knowledge, has ever claimed that vaccines are the -only- cause of autism.

 

[IBDaMann]

Covid can probably kill if you cancel the fever.

You pose an interesting hypothetical, but nobody actualy ended up dying of COVID.

 

[IBDaMann]

I haven't seen any evidence for either of those positions.

You do that a lot, i.e. turn a blind eye to mountainous evidence surrounding you.

Alright, so your argument is that hospitals and counties engaged in a scam by giving their doctors and medical examiners respectively specific guide to simply hard-code- "Covid-19" in the cause of death section of the death certificate, but you do mention they were following the CDC's guidance- so was the CDC the true perpetrator and the hospitals and counties were... co-conspirators?

That is a good way to phrase it. Every doctor should know that it is wrong to list falsehoods on a death certificate, e.g. listing "contributing factors" as "the cause of death" or adding "diagnoses" for which were never tested.

I admit that I'm not sure what to believe in all of this, but I definitely think what they did is wrong. I'm just not sure if they saw it that way.

You can be sure. The CDC flat out instructed all doctors and medical examiners to hard-code "COVID-19" under the cause of death in the "Cause of Death" section, just to get it in the "Cause of Death" section when it wasn't the cause of death, and wasn't even a contributing factor.

Since I don't agree that biological viruses exist,

... then you really have no other position to hold than it was all a hoax.

 

[Scott]

I see that Lichgold responded to your post by calling those on the left 'salty fag****' in his response to your post. As for myself, I feel it's a tragedy that people on both sides treat each other so badly. I tend to alternate "sides", going right when it comes to things like covid and vaccines, going left when it comes to LGBTQ issues. I tend to stick to just one issue at a time to avoid the vertigo of having the same people who insult me in one thread be my allies in another.

That would be common coming from a MAGAt.

Don't you see, though? The left here calls those on the right MAG***, the right calls those on the left fag***. There is a sad symetry in the epithets. I'll tell you what I think is perhaps the largest part of the problem- I'm pretty sure that most people here have never met. I also think that it's quite frequent that people here get divided into left and right camps and then the stereotypes set in and the insults fly. The way out, as far as I'm concerned, is to just not play the game. When someone starts insulting me, I try to draw their attention to that and frequently exclude anything else they say and if all else fails, I just don't respond to posts with insults from said person. I think that it's working to some extent.

 

[IBDaMann]

Will you accept either of the following terms for abortion which are used by the American Heritage Dictionary, 5th edition?

I'll consider it when we are actually discussing "abortion."

I asking you about the killing of living humans, and I provided a standard definition of "contract killing", which is a proper subset of killing living humans. Do you have any qualms with my definition of "contract killing"? I need to know, because you apparently support contract killings and I'd like to discuss your reasoning for that.

 

[IBDaMann]

Don't you see, though? The left here calls those on the right MAG***, the right calls those on the left fag***.

You are attempting the impossible, i.e. rationally discuss something with Dutch-Dutch in a productive manner. When it just doesn't work, don't ask "Why didn't anybody say anything?"

I'm saying something.

 

[IBDaMann]

What would that be?

So there are no issues besides "supremacy", yes?

 

[TOP]

There have actually been quite a few studies that get into plausible associations between vaccines and autism. There's a website that claims to have "a list of abstracts from 239 papers demonstrating the multiple associations between vaccines and autism"

I personally haven't counted the papers in question, but it certainly does appear to be quite a few. Feel free to take a look:

How Do Vaccines Cause Autism?

The Body of Research Supporting Vaccine Autism Causation

howdovaccinescauseautism.org

What I'd like to stress is that no one, to my knowledge, has ever claimed that vaccines are the -only- cause of autism.

Thanks for the link..
I will certainly take a look at it... The increasing number of cases of autism every year though is just out of control.... And I have seen Far too many children labeled as "autistic or developmentally disabled " who are not.... Especially when they're young...

 

[IBDaMann]

There's a website that claims to have "a list of abstracts from 239 papers demonstrating the multiple associations between vaccines and autism" I personally haven't counted the papers in question, but it certainly does appear to be quite a few.

I would caution from falling into the "Scientific Study" fallacy trap. Studies don't mean anything to anyone except to other researchers who are interested in that specific research, for consideration for their own research, not for the conclusions offered.

Studies are not science. Studies are someone's non-scientific and perhaps non-repeatable observations. It doesn't matter how many studies are funded to draw a certain predetermined conclusion. Until you have science on the matter, treat all studies as though they are paid-for political propaganda.

 

[Into the Night]

Good to know.



I get it, you think I'm mistaken and that vaccines are "safe and effective", as the mainstream media puts it.



The road to hell is frequently paved with good intentions. Here's some information about polio and polio vaccines I imagine you haven't heard of:
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DDT as a possible cause of polio

There is a theory that DDT poisoning was a major contributor to paralysis diagnosed as polio. The timeline supports it, and it is one of those cases where I have to humbly accept not knowing the definitive answer at this very second.

The Salk vaccine was introduced in 1954. DDT was banned in the U.S. in 1972. Polio was officially eradicated in the U.S. in 1979. (The vaccine-derived version of polio (!) is reported to be spreading now in developing countries, and according to ABC News, “More polio cases now caused by vaccine than by wild virus.”)

In 2021, Ryan Matters published an excellent, in-depth article called, “mRNA ‘Vaccines,’ Eugenics & the Push for Transhumanism,” in which he looked at the link between polio and DDT, among other things. (I very highly recommend reading his entire article.) Matters wrote:

“One crop pesticide in widespread use at the time was DDT, a highly toxic organochlorine that was widely publicized as being ‘good for you,’ but eventually banned in 1972. In 1953, Dr. Morton Biskind published a paper in the American Journal of Digestive Diseases pointing out that:

“‘McCormick (78), Scobey (100-101) and Goddard (57), in detailed studies, have all pointed out that factors other than infective agents are certainly involved in the etiology of polio, varying from nutritional defects to a variety of poisons which affect the nervous system.’

“The danger of toxic pesticides, including DDT, and their disastrous effects on the environment were illustrated by Rachel Carson in her 1962 book, Silent Spring.

“In more recent times, researchers, Dan Olmstead, co-founder of the Age of Autism, and Mark Blaxill conducted two brilliant investigations into the polio epidemics of the 20th century, reaching a similar conclusion to Scobey and Biskind, namely that the disease was caused by the widespread use of neurotoxic pesticides such as arsenite of soda and DDT.

“Although Salk’s vaccine was hailed as a success, the vaccine itself caused many cases of injury and paralysis. And though there does appear to be a convincing correlation between the timing of the vaccine and the reduction in polio cases, as all good scientists know, causation doesn’t equal correlation [sic], especially considering the fact that DDT was phased out, at least in the US, over the same period.”
**

Full article:

A Story About Polio, Pesticides and the Meaning of Science

We’re told the science on polio is settled — but that may not be the case. There are scientists who believe polio-like symptoms could be caused by toxic substances, including pesticides.

childrenshealthdefense.org

DDT does not cause polio.

 

[Into the Night]

Thanks for the link..
I will certainly take a look at it... The increasing number of cases of autism every year though is just out of control.... And I have seen Far too many children labeled as "autistic or developmentally disabled " who are not.... Especially when they're young...

It's the 'in' thing at the time. It's psychoquackery.

 

[Into the Night]

Covid can probably kill if you cancel the fever.

Covid does not kill.

Covid virus starts to melt at 37°c which isn't even a low grade fever.

A virus doesn't melt.

Whole truth is it's extremely stupid to cancel or reduce fevers.

Unless the fever reaches dangerous levels, which commonly happens in children.

You should exacerbate fevers.

Dangerous and that can be fatal.

Hot sugary coffee fuels a fever nicely but also have some vitamin c, capsicum, onions and chicken fats. My cold remedy is chicken heart tinola(extra onions) with a hot latte'. There's also some nice supplements that fuel inflammatory response. Stupid expensive.

The point is, covid can kill idiots and junky faggots.

Covid does not kill.

Virus so deadly all you need is a hot bath to cure it.

A hot bath does not cure Covid.

If you can push your fever up to 39°c you can cook it out in a couple hours.

Causing heat stroke is no joke.

Lots of folks think ivermectin cures covid

It has been shown to be effective against Covid.

and it's because they stop taking ibuprofen once they start taking ivermectin.

Strawman fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

That would be common coming from a MAGAt. There's a few on the left who are just as extreme, but overall the demographic for MAGAts is elderly, lonely, misogynistic, racist Euro-American males. Most appear to be posting from a facility or living alone in their single-wide.

So the Left is not the Left???

IMO, they are scared, feeble, ostracized from their own families and more than a little addled. I have over 40 of them on ignore, but it's not that difficult to understand what they posted by the responses of those not on ignore because it's always the same old shit like you quoted from Lick.

You ignore yourself now?

 

[Into the Night]

I once had a young female friend who also liked to take control of language terms when it came to abortion. It ended in us being unable to discuss the subject anymore because she refused to accept dictionary definitions of the term. Will you accept either of the following terms for abortion which are used by the American Heritage Dictionary, 5th edition?

**

• noun Induced termination of a pregnancy with destruction of the embryo or fetus.
• noun Any of various procedures that result in the termination of a pregnancy.

**

Source:

abortion — definition, examples, related words and more at Wordnik

All the words

www.wordnik.com

No dictionary defines any word. That is not their purpose...although the definition you gave is pretty accurate.
It is the taking of a human life.

It is often for convenience, making it murder.