First Attempt a MAJOR legislative DEFEAT? Obamacare not repealed!

coolbreeze said:
Don't be the chicken locked in the hen house when the fox comes home.
Trump has made billions being smarter than the people he is dealing with, not dumber.

So he muddles around for a month or two trying to drum up support for his healthcare, exposing the Dems as obstructionist claiming he is trying to fix the health care debacle known as Obamacare.
He eventually moves on to other things, like the budget, his wall, ISIS, jobs.
Obamacare continues its death spiral, because it is in one, healthcare providers are pulling out of the state exchanges like villagers running from the plague in case no one is paying attention.
Obamcare is going to collapse under its own weight. Deductibles on even the bronze plan are going to be over 5k by years end. And the taxes to keep it going have not even kicked in yet. Obama planned those for after he was gone.

So Trump will come back around next year, I told you so, tried to save it last year but no cooperation. He gets his plan through and the Dems go down like rats on a sinking ship in the
2018 mid terms.
Trump is always two moves ahead of whatever he is doing and don't ever forget that.
If you have not read "Art of The Deal", and you really care about whats going on, and I'll guess most of you don't.
But if you do give it a read
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trump didn't write The Art of the Deal, Tony Schwartz did. And later he apologized for being swayed by the half-million dollar advance and half the royalties.

After Schwartz followed trump around for 18 months in preparation for writing, he concluded trump is a sociopath.
 
Althea said:
That was significant because ACA was passed on this day 7 years ago. Like all terrorists, House Republicans are big on anniversaries.
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In the now famous words of Nancy Pelosi "We have to pass it to see what is in it". They did, we saw it, hence the reason the country is revisiting this all over again. Why you bring up the anniversary of a failure is beyond me.
 
christiefan915 said:
What the heck is Moosecare?
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It's my healthcare plan I unveiled on dcj during the summer of '15. I conceived it while mowing by lawn under the influence of 2 beers. I refined after I finished cutting the grass and had downed two more beers.
Basically it's medical cost sharing. The first yr an estimate is made for the total cost spent on medical care and that amt. is collected by the govt. from every person's paycheck and welfare check (which is many people's paycheck). That's the only aspect in which the govt. is involved . The funds are then turned over to an independent escrow account administered by private industry which is subject to audit by two separate independent public accounting firms who bid for the job.
There is an option to pay into a Health Savings Acct. rather than have it collected by the federal govt. All funds from the HSA must be used before using those from the escrow acct. If those funds are not used they can be handed down to heirs for their use. It can also be used for funeral expenses or willed to a charitable cause. This should satisfy and reward those who exhibit the personal responsibility of eating healthy, do regular exercise and otherwise live a healthy lifestyle.
Healthcare providers would be required to post their fees and give alternatives to treatment so consumers would have an idea as to what their treatment would cost.
The key is, is that everybody pays into something. There is no government fraud, waste and abuse and no insurance middleman profiting . There's much more to it so if you have any questions please ask. I'll be happy to answer. Most of the details I've ironed out already but it's too extensive to post at the moment.
Thank you and have a pleasant afternoon or evening.
 
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coolbreeze said:
Don't be the chicken locked in the hen house when the fox comes home.
Trump has made billions being smarter than the people he is dealing with, not dumber.

So he muddles around for a month or two trying to drum up support for his healthcare, exposing the Dems as obstructionist claiming he is trying to fix the health care debacle known as Obamacare.
He eventually moves on to other things, like the budget, his wall, ISIS, jobs.
Obamacare continues its death spiral, because it is in one, healthcare providers are pulling out of the state exchanges like villagers running from the plague in case no one is paying attention.
Obamcare is going to collapse under its own weight. Deductibles on even the bronze plan are going to be over 5k by years end. And the taxes to keep it going have not even kicked in yet. Obama planned those for after he was gone.

So Trump will come back around next year, I told you so, tried to save it last year but no cooperation. He gets his plan through and the Dems go down like rats on a sinking ship in the
2018 mid terms.
Trump is always two moves ahead of whatever he is doing and don't ever forget that.
If you have not read "Art of The Deal", and you really care about whats going on, and I'll guess most of you don't.
But if you do give it a read
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You couldn't possibly have demonstrated how little you know about ACA, any better than this post does.
 
callinectes said:
You do realize why they canceled the vote, right? I'll give you a hint, it's NOT because the conservative caucuses love obamacare. So now what you're probably going to get is something the left is going to hate even MORE. This was a pretty good interim plan while waiting for HHS to deregulate the insurance industry(i.e., let them sell across state lines)and to get the other stuff in place to make this work and to make sure people don't lose their insurance in the transition from obamacare, and that is basically what Trump wants. All these deadlines are artificial as far as I'm concerned and if the GOP is going to get involved in massive social programs, I'd rather they take their time and do it right. Let obamacare die a lingering, painful death as a lesson to the neo-comms.
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Real MENSA material here.
 
Sailor said:
In the now famous words of Nancy Pelosi "We have to pass it to see what is in it". They did, we saw it, hence the reason the country is revisiting this all over again. Why you bring up the anniversary of a failure is beyond me.
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Republicans brought it up. That was the reason for the hard deadline. The country is not revisiting this. House Republicans are.
 
Althea said:
Then you don't understand Moosecare any more than you understand ACA.
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Neither is hard to understand. ACA is driving ins. companies out of the marketplace and it unfairly penalizes the healthiest while rewarding those that practice personal irresponsibility.
Moosecare isn't even complicated. It's pretty easy to understand.
Sailor has exhibited a good understanding of Moosecare in the past. You've shown no inclination one way or the other. Some stupid comment about Palin.
You think it's some plan to care for the health of moose?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Well Trump has said if he doesn't get the votes to move repeal out of the house then he's dropping it and moving on.
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Good idea.
As immature as he is, he's pretty smart in other ways. That's a good move because it's a hot potato. Let ACA die on the vine or succeed on it's own.
Plus the Ryan plan was a non plan. Just a formality to repeal and replace.
 
Rump says we get to keep Obamacare if the Congress does not repeal it tomorrow.

GREAT, I am happy with that... AND Rump promise #1 down the drain. Republicans have been promising for 7 years to repeal Obamacare, now they have The House, The Senate, AND the White House and they cant seem to do it!
 
aloysious said:
Good idea.
As immature as he is, he's pretty smart in other ways. That's a good move because it's a hot potato. Let ACA die on the vine or succeed on it's own.
Plus the Ryan plan was a non plan. Just a formality to repeal and replace.
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He's a quitter
 
Will Rump some how eke out a win on a watered down Obamacare Bill, or will he go down in flames....

Either way, I am happy. No true repeal will happen.
 
domer76 said:
He's a quitter
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I certainly don't care one way or the other.
Would you want him to persist? I'd think not. As a typical unthinking partisan hack you get that piece of shit ACA and win.
If the Ryan plan were to miraculously get thru, we get another piece of shit plan.
Moosecare would work but no pols are intelligent enough to come up with something that stellar. Even if one was, if it was a dim the repubs would shoot it down and if it was a repub the dims would shoot it down.
 
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