First Attempt a MAJOR legislative DEFEAT? Obamacare not repealed!

Damocles said:
Jeebus. Same bullcrap was said about Obamacare, how quickly the lefties forget.
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What bullcrap is that? Obamacare passed, remember?

Was Obamacare Obama's first attempt at major legislation, no!
I seem to remember some economic rescue bills being passed first.
 
Jarod said:
SO Rump, the master deal maker has suffered a MAJOR defeat, at least as of today.

The First Hurdle to replace Obamacare has gone down in FLAMES. TODAY's vote CANCELLED.

Rump is unable to get a deal together, RyanCare on ICE!



HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Wasn't Obama's 'first major political defeat' the failure to pass Cap and Tax carbon regulations? But didn't he go onto strangle the energy sector with with regulations anyway?

And didn't Obama go on to be the greatest president the world has ever known lol?
 
House conservatives and the freedom caucus should call his bluff in my opinion. When the president says things like what he's saying it makes you wonder if he wants it to fail so Obamacare stays. During the campaign he campaigned on a version of universal healthcare so letting this fail so he can move on would satisfy his own personal favoring of universal healthcare and then he can also blame constitutionalists for Obamacare staying around and make himself look clean. In his mind I think he wins either way but the constitution loses. In my opinion Trump needs to bring in Mike Lee, Rand Paul, and the house freedom caucus leaders and let them oversee the repeal/replace plan after this vote fails today. Leave out his team, leave out Paul Ryan, and deliver on the mandate to repeal.
 
coolbreeze said:
Don't be the chicken locked in the hen house when the fox comes home.
Trump has made billions being smarter than the people he is dealing with, not dumber.

So he muddles around for a month or two trying to drum up support for his healthcare, exposing the Dems as obstructionist claiming he is trying to fix the health care debacle known as Obamacare.
He eventually moves on to other things, like the budget, his wall, ISIS, jobs.
Obamacare continues its death spiral, because it is in one, healthcare providers are pulling out of the state exchanges like villagers running from the plague in case no one is paying attention.
Obamcare is going to collapse under its own weight. Deductibles on even the bronze plan are going to be over 5k by years end. And the taxes to keep it going have not even kicked in yet. Obama planned those for after he was gone.

So Trump will come back around next year, I told you so, tried to save it last year but no cooperation. He gets his plan through and the Dems go down like rats on a sinking ship in the
2018 mid terms.
Trump is always two moves ahead of whatever he is doing and don't ever forget that.
If you have not read "Art of The Deal", and you really care about whats going on, and I'll guess most of you don't.
But if you do give it a read
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Bawahahaha, comedy gold! GOP can't let Obamacare go down in flames because of the midterm elections. Trump is still an idiot.
 
Norah said:
House conservatives and the freedom caucus should call his bluff in my opinion. When the president says things like what he's saying it makes you wonder if he wants it to fail so Obamacare stays. During the campaign he campaigned on a version of universal healthcare so letting this fail so he can move on would satisfy his own personal favoring of universal healthcare and then he can also blame constitutionalists for Obamacare staying around and make himself look clean. In his mind I think he wins either way but the constitution loses. In my opinion Trump needs to bring in Mike Lee, Rand Paul, and the house freedom caucus leaders and let them oversee the repeal/replace plan after this vote fails today. Leave out his team, leave out Paul Ryan, and deliver on the mandate to repeal.
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Nice bass lol!

The politics of healthcare are nearly as complicated as healthcare, itself. Some kind of consensus is nearly impossible but Trump risks a rebellion on this one.
 
aloysious said:
Good idea.
As immature as he is, he's pretty smart in other ways. That's a good move because it's a hot potato. Let ACA die on the vine or succeed on it's own.
Plus the Ryan plan was a non plan. Just a formality to repeal and replace.
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They are in a tough spot regardless, he promised better cheaper healthcare, he's supporters and others haven't forgotten that...2018 is coming fast!
 
aloysious said:
I certainly don't care one way or the other.
Would you want him to persist? I'd think not. As a typical unthinking partisan hack you get that piece of shit ACA and win.
If the Ryan plan were to miraculously get thru, we get another piece of shit plan.
Moosecare would work but no pols are intelligent enough to come up with something that stellar. Even if one was, if it was a dim the repubs would shoot it down and if it was a repub the dims would shoot it down.
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I don't get any ACA. Nor will I have any new plan that comes through. I have my own insurance and have had it my entire working career. It's just enjoyable watching the idiot Republicans torment so. Seven years to come up with their own plan and they have to negotiate at the last second. Only to have it fail in the Senate.
 
aloysious said:
Neither is hard to understand. ACA is driving ins. companies out of the marketplace and it unfairly penalizes the healthiest while rewarding those that practice personal irresponsibility.
Moosecare isn't even complicated. It's pretty easy to understand.
Sailor has exhibited a good understanding of Moosecare in the past. You've shown no inclination one way or the other. Some stupid comment about Palin.
You think it's some plan to care for the health of moose?
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Not sure who you're talking about, but I laid out the obvious flaws in your plan in your other thread.

You still have the govt. coming to the rescue when those who opted to use a HSA only, run out of money. You do have everyone contributing 'something', but I don't know how you determine what % of income will be contributed?

Now, the Anti American Healthcare Act does nothing to address the real issues. In fact, it does nothing but replace ACA with a plan that does more harm than good.

But Republicans are trying to reverse engineer a plan. They start with a massive tax cut to the wealthy, and try to craft a plan around all of the things that they're doing away with.

They still have a huge slush fund for the states. So why not just replace all the money they took from the risk corridors, and tweak the ACA as necessary?

Because they want that 3.8% cap gains Medicare tax to go away. Billionaires feel they shouldn't contribute to Medicare.
 
aloysious said:
Good idea.
As immature as he is, he's pretty smart in other ways. That's a good move because it's a hot potato. Let ACA die on the vine or succeed on it's own.
Plus the Ryan plan was a non plan. Just a formality to repeal and replace.
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I agree, with accent on repeal, and no thought about replace
 
Jarod said:
Rump says we get to keep Obamacare if the Congress does not repeal it tomorrow.

GREAT, I am happy with that... AND Rump promise #1 down the drain. Republicans have been promising for 7 years to repeal Obamacare, now they have The House, The Senate, AND the White House and they cant seem to do it!
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He's bluffing, in the same way he does in business. Except that in business, he chooses to stiff contractors in the end. He can't do that here. His bluff is built on the idea that the voters will make the 'No' votes pay in two years.

In an ironic twist, the Koch Bros. are guaranteeing support for anyone who votes no, and challenging anyone who votes yes.
 
Trump has, as POTUS, awesome powers he can bring to bear on recalcitrant members of the far right to sway them. From the bully pulpit to patronage, to campaign finance, etc.

Trumps real problem on this issue is he has not done the groundwork with Hospitals, Insurance Companies, Physicians and professional associations that will be needed to affect long term changes.
 
Norah said:
I respect them yes. They are the only ones standing up for the constitution and for conservative principles.
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It's nonsense, sorry, most stand up for their interpretation of Constitution. What is constitutional has been in debate a long time. There are those that say you and I should not vote. It was once Constitutional.
 
Norah said:
I respect them yes. They are the only ones standing up for the constitution and for conservative principles.
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I love how people who never studied law believe they know more about the Constitution than people who have actually studied constitutional law.
 
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