Federal troops kill a man because he carried a concealed gun.

[Nordberg]

Lots of videos are surfacing. He absolutely did not brandish his gun. It was in his holster, and he told them he was carrying.
ICE's job is to beat and abuse people. Alex was no threat at all. He was trying to help a woman who was shoved to the ground.
They took turns kicking and punching him, as they were trained to do. Then he was shot 9 or 10 times. He was no threat, but their job is to fuck up people who want to do good. ICE is trying to make you fear Trump and his army. Trump's administration is brutal. He kills people in Venezuela for suspicion of drug running. We know they were not able to get the suspected drugs to America. But a big show of killing tells you nobody is safe from Trump. He spends human lives to buy power and fear.

 

[Lionfish]

Big talk, hot air, .

 

[Lionfish]

You shouldn’t be shot for being stupid.

Stupid people are shot every day

I respect someone not cowardly concealing his weapon. It’s much more honest than hiding.

Good for you.
Stay at your receptionist job.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

It’s ancient myth to keep church goers putting money in the till

Should I quote the late great Mr Marley for you again

Careful, evince; our little Mattie is a member of Mensa.

 

[Lionfish]

Common sense says lots of things, but law enforcement should know the rules. What I was pointing out here is that openly carrying a gun in Minnesota is not something that would make it so one should be shot. Did he pull the gun? What was the danger? If just having a weapon is enough, then everyone in a car can be shot on sight... right?

I'm not defending the guy, I do not know what happened. I just want folks to understand the law there, just as ICE should. I do not know if this one would be found to be justified, unfortunately.

LE does know the law. What we don't know is how and when the firearms presence became an issue of concern.

 

[Lionfish]

Victim blaming!

No, just proof you have no knowledge of firearms or actual cases involving permitted firearrm carry.

 

[Lionfish]

Lots of videos are surfacing. He absolutely did not brandish his gun. It was in his holster, and he told them he was carrying.
ICE's job is to beat and abuse people. Alex was no threat at all. He was trying to help a woman who was shoved to the ground.
They took turns kicking and punching him, as they were trained to do. Then he was shot 9 or 10 times. He was no threat, but their job is to fuck up people who want to do good. ICE is trying to make you fear Trump and his army. Trump's administration is brutal. He kills people in Venezuela for suspicion of drug running. We know they were not able to get the suspected drugs to America. But a big show of killing tells you nobody is safe from Trump. He spends human lives to buy power and fear.

Nordie, you are getting more irrational by the day. Thanks for your input.

 

[Jarod]

Common sense says lots of things, but law enforcement should know the rules. What I was pointing out here is that openly carrying a gun in Minnesota is not something that would make it so one should be shot. Did he pull the gun? What was the danger? If just having a weapon is enough, then everyone in a car can be shot on sight... right?

I'm not defending the guy, I do not know what happened. I just want folks to understand the law there, just as ICE should. I do not know if this one would be found to be justified, unfortunately.

I saw a new video clearly they removed the gun before they shot him.

 

[LurchAddams]

Open Carry is lawful in MN, T. A. Gardner.

Only for Republicans according to Terry and Damo.

Also it wasn't the nurse who escalated the situation. It was trumps murder squad.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Cults do that to the human brain

True. The good news is that this cult, with the murder of Charlie Kirk, leaves no clear successor. Cults of personality without a clear successor die with the initial personality. Regardless how much Trump puts the US into debt, murders Americans, betrays our military and intelligence secrets to Russia and others (for a price), and continues hiding the Epstein Files, the good news is he's pushing 80 and in very poor health. I pray to God every night that Donald J. Trump makes peace with Jesus.

The saying is true, "He who has health, has hope ; and he who has hope, has everything". Trump has poor health and little hope of getting into Heaven. "this too shall pass".

Or, put another way for Traitor Terry, https://yunhwasangha.org/2023/06/08/everything-is-impermanent/

Everything is impermanent​

 

[LurchAddams]

I saw a new video clearly they removed the gun before they shot him.

Also he had been beaten and was unarmed, face down and no longer a threat. Just like Renee Good was no longer a threat.

 

[LurchAddams]

True. The good news is that this cult, with the murder of Charlie Kirk, leaves no clear successor. Cults of personality without a clear successor die with the initial personality. Regardless how much Trump puts the US into debt, murders Americans, betrays our military and intelligence secrets to Russia and others (for a price), and continues hiding the Epstein Files, the good news is he's pushing 80 and in very poor health. I pray to God every night that Donald J. Trump makes peace with Jesus.

The saying is true, "He who has health, has hope ; and he who has hope, has everything". Trump has poor health and little hope of getting into Heaven. "this too shall pass".

Or, put another way for Traitor Terry, https://yunhwasangha.org/2023/06/08/everything-is-impermanent/

Everything is impermanent​

So sad to see such bloodlust from Terry and Damo.

They actually believe, "if you disagree with us you must die!"

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Also he had been beaten and was unarmed, face down and no longer a threat. Just like Renee Good was no longer a threat.

In short, they saw a gun in his holster, took it from him and then shot him in the back multiple times? Was it 9 times? I couldn't find it.

What we know about the latest Minneapolis shooting by federal agents

The second fatal shooting this month of an American citizen in Minneapolis at the hands of a federal agent has ratcheted up tensions in the city once again.

abcnews.go.com

 

[LurchAddams]

It depends on how you show you are stupid. I pull the gun and point it at them while shouting "here you go pigs!"... will that get me shot? Will they know I was handing it over?

Openly carrying a gun then participating in an interaction with police where you struggle and fight them can lead to this kind of thing. Did another cop shout "he has a gun!"? This is something that will be considered... I have yet to watch any video on this one. I want to stay outside and ask questions first. I like to wait for information and gather what I can before I watch video presented by either side whenever I can. And on this one I didn't see some story on the news or something with the video... So, until I have seen it all my opinions are based on the law and questions that will help me find "what a reasonable law enforcement officer might perceive" at that moment.

The gun was not on Pretti's person.when he was face down and shot 10 times. This murder by racist masked goons accountable to no one bu the king.

Your condemning the victim like you are is pretty fucking disgusting.

Do you prefer to be a disgusting person?

 

[QP!]

Then you are a politically biased idiot. Byrd had choices. It wasn't a rushed decision on his part. The video shows he had the weapon out and pointed and hesitated to fire for several seconds. He could have made at least some attempt to enter the hallway and confront Babbitt. He chose to remain hidden to her in an office doorway.

There were two other officers in that hallway, further back. They chose not to fire.

There is little to compare between the two. Babbitt wasn't struggling with police officers. She wasn't actively resisting arrest. You just don't want to see those differences because they make the difference and all you have for a counter example is Jan 6.


No, she had the bad luck to be engaged by an incompetent police officer. And yes, Byrd was incompetent. His service record proves it.


That much is true.


We agree on that.


Yes, he did. He walked towards their vehicle. They got out. There was an interaction where they were telling him something. By subsequent events, they were clearly going to arrest Pretti. He knew it too by his response.


Your first sentence contradicts your previous statement "He didn't do any of that." What his intentions were isn't particularly relevant once the ICE officers went to arrest him.

Right back at ya!

What you write here is lies top to bottom.

Byrd could not see the advancing tactical officers coming up the rear hallway and that is shown in all angles of the video footage.

Byrd could not allow Ashley to progress thru the window she was already half way thru and he had no ability to engage her in the hall outside without being surrounded by the mob.

You had a mob actively defying each and every order to not proceed while calling for violence against Congress people and if Byrd allows Ashley and the mob to enter that room he is not only nullified as a defender, his weapon becomes their weapon.

No security detail would ever allow that... ever.

Try marching on Trump alone and when his security demands you stop ignore them and just keep marching towards him with determination. See what happens.

 

[LurchAddams]

Who exactly is supposed to be the fully trained element in an interaction such as this case?

Police don’t require that citizens are more informed on proceedures than them

To take that tact only results in dead citizens

And the American laws take such things into consideration

So do judges

The goons acted with unnecessary, illegal, and excessive force.

Shot 10 times?

Rage killing by trump's nazi thugs.

 

[LurchAddams]

I have seen no video. I am in the "ask questions" stage of this. Later I'll watch all the video available, after I learn what people perceive from this. If they disarmed him first then fired will be part of what I am looking for, because someone says they saw that.

Then you should watch the video. It's pretty clear what happened if you'd care to watch it.

To us, in the real world, it's called "evidence".

 

[LurchAddams]

In short, they saw a gun in his holster, took it from him and then shot him in the back multiple times? Was it 9 times? I couldn't find it.

What we know about the latest Minneapolis shooting by federal agents

The second fatal shooting this month of an American citizen in Minneapolis at the hands of a federal agent has ratcheted up tensions in the city once again.

abcnews.go.com

10 times.

 

[Margot]

Would you have told them thst it was a good idea to be doing what they were doing? Would you suggest others follow in their footsteps? Alex's parents Tried to advise him.... He didn't listen...Renee's partner gave her advice she shouldn't have listened to... Wit

The best advice is stay home... Because nothing that those protesters are doing is making a difference.... They haven't helped a thing...

Toxic Top gives her full enthusiastic Support to The Hired Federal MAGA thugs,that have executed two American citizens in Minnesota!

 

[Dutch Uncle]

So sad to see such bloodlust from Terry and Damo.

They actually believe, "if you disagree with us you must die!"

I watched both the Tim speech and the Bovino speech. I was disappointed that Bovino didn't wear his full brown-belt uniform. You know how much he loves that!