Federal judge rules Oregon’s tough new gun law is constitutional

Damocles said:
It is not "already decided". If it were then this law would not be supported by this judge. Even you understand it by stating the Constitution will prevail. I agree, I think the SCOTUS will decide to hear this case because of this ruling.
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I disagree.

The Constitution is clear. The Oregon legislature and this Obama judge are blatantly violating the Constitution. The high court will rectify the situation.

Drifting a bit, would you support the idea of "Contempt of Constitution" as a potential penalty for those who deliberately and maliciously craft legislation to thwart and controvert the Constitution? One flaw I see in our system of jurisprudence is that there is no penalty for those who deliberately try to pervert our Constitution. There is nothing to keep those like the Oregon legislature from repeatedly passing laws they know are unconstitutional in hopes one will stick. I view this as no different than an attorney who would introduce falsified documents in a court - an act of contempt meant to undermine the rule of law.
 
Damocles said:
It is not "already decided". If it were then this law would not be supported by this judge. Even you understand it by stating the Constitution will prevail. I agree, I think the SCOTUS will decide to hear this case because of this ruling.
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I don't think it makes it to SCOTUS. the 9th circuit, while absolutely liberal, KNOWS that this gets overturned if it goes there. The 9th will overturn this and send it back with directions to re-evaluate with the bruen decision.

That this district judge took 122 pages to attempt to explain her obvious idiocy shows she has no business being on the bench
 
Uncensored2008 said:
Tell that to the colonists in Lexington, VA.

Tyranny depends on a disarmed, subservient populace. The British knew this well.
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If you mean the Lexington not far from the Concord you've heard about since you were a child your reference is several hundred miles in error. Moreover, the male residents of Lexington, Mass did have guns and a dozen or so had muskets with them on the green when the British soldiers arrived and many other men from there and surrounding towns fought the British with guns that night. The armed militias throughout the Colonies were made up of ordinary armed male residents.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
would you support the idea of "Contempt of Constitution" as a potential penalty for those who deliberately and maliciously craft legislation to thwart and controvert the Constitution?
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there is already a remedy for this and it's called jury nullification. If the legislature of a state, or congress, makes a law that we see OBVIOUSLY violates the Constitution, we the people can always acquit.
 
martin said:
If you mean the Lexington not far from the Concord you've heard about since you were a child your reference is several hundred miles in error. Moreover, the male residents of Lexington, Mass did have guns and a dozen or so had muskets with them on the green when the British soldiers arrived and many other men from there and surrounding towns fought the British with guns that night. The armed militias throughout the Colonies were made up of ordinary armed male residents.
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Exactly, the British tried to disarm the citizens.

Tyrants don't like armed citizens.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
there is already a remedy for this and it's called jury nullification. If the legislature of a state, or congress, makes a law that we see OBVIOUSLY violates the Constitution, we the people can always acquit.
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That is not a remedy.

It in no way punishes those who maliciously pass legislation in direct violation of the Constitution of the United States. We can acquit the accused, but this will in no way constrain the legislature from contemptuously perverting the law of the land.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
Exactly, the British tried to disarm the citizens.

Tyrants don't like armed citizens.
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Until things went awry the British very much did like that male citizens of the Colonies were very often armed. Colonists fought hand in hand with the British against both the French and the Indians.
 
martin said:
Until things went awry the British very much did like that male citizens of the Colonies were very often armed. Colonists fought hand in hand with the British against both the French and the Indians.
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Hardly;

{[FONT=&quot]King James I stated the official position of the English governing elite on gun ownership succinctly. When it was suggested that more of England's subjects should enjoy the right to hunt and own firearms, James responded that “it is not fit that clowns should have these sports.”}

[/FONT]Gun Laws in Early America: The Regulation of Firearms Ownership, 1607–1794 | Law and History Review | Cambridge Core

The British royalty was no different than the democrats are today, arms are reserved for the elite.
 
Too many American liberals are OK with the ridiculous UK guns laws.

They are obviously paranoid on the subject of firearms, and we needn't be emulating another nation's psychosis,
even if they are significantly advanced of us on virtually every other social issue [like health care and education].

Frankly, I wouldn't lose a minute's sleep if every privately owned AR-15 type assault weapon in the nation
were confiscated without financial compensation
and if anyone who protested the confiscation were shot dead on the spot.

I can't come up with a legal argument for doing that
nor even an argument for what would make it fair--
I doubt such argument exists--
but I still wouldn't lose a minute's sleep over it
because we're dealing useless cracker assholes anyway.

Nevertheless, too many liberals would be perfectly ok with a virtually complete ban on civilian ownership of all firearms
and the fuckwit reichtards use that as fuel
to claim that that is what the Democratic Party officially wants to do.

Given the great tract of real estate,
America would be a truly grand nation
if only we had a few citizens with functioning brains.

I loathe conservative Middle American Republican and Libertarian values
but I also sadly lament
how sissified so many of the more intelligent cosmopolitan people have become.

What the fuck happened to this nation?
Is it still salvageable even with partition?
 
Uncensored2008 said:
That is not a remedy.

It in no way punishes those who maliciously pass legislation in direct violation of the Constitution of the United States. We can acquit the accused, but this will in no way constrain the legislature from contemptuously perverting the law of the land.
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not directly, no. But what the people can do is be aware of it and then vote in to office people who WILL hold them accountable..............
 
guno said:
A federal judge has ruled Oregon’s voter-approved gun control measure – one of the toughest in the nation – is constitutional.

U.S. District Judge Karin Immergut ruled that banning large capacity magazines and requiring a permit to purchase a gun falls in line with “the nation’s history and tradition of regulating uniquely dangerous features of weapons and firearms to protect public safety," Oregon Public Broadcasting reported.

The decision comes after a landmark U.S. Supreme Court decision on the Second Amendment that has upended gun laws across the country, dividing judges and sowing confusion over what firearm restrictions can remain on the books. It changed the test that lower courts had long used for evaluating challenges to firearm restrictions, telling judges that gun laws must be consistent with the “historical tradition of firearm regulation.”

https://news.yahoo.com/federal-judge-rules-oregon-tough-011750148.html
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Won't standup in a REAL court...
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Too many American liberals are OK with the ridiculous UK guns laws.

They are obviously paranoid on the subject of firearms, and we needn't be emulating another nation's psychosis,
even if they are significantly advanced of us on virtually every other social issue [like health care and education].

Frankly, I wouldn't lose a minute's sleep if every privately owned AR-15 type assault weapon in the nation
were confiscated without financial compensation
and if anyone who protested the confiscation were shot dead on the spot.

I can't come up with a legal argument for doing that
nor even an argument for what would make it fair--
I doubt such argument exists--
but I still wouldn't lose a minute's sleep over it
because we're dealing useless cracker assholes anyway.

Nevertheless, too many liberals would be perfectly ok with a virtually complete ban on civilian ownership of all firearms
and the fuckwit reichtards use that as fuel
to claim that that is what the Democratic Party officially wants to do.

Given the great tract of real estate,
America would be a truly grand nation
if only we had a few citizens with functioning brains.

I loathe conservative Middle American Republican and Libertarian values
but I also sadly lament
how sissified so many of the more intelligent cosmopolitan people have become.

What the fuck happened to this nation?
Is it still salvageable even with partition?
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Lets go ahead and make all guns illegal to American citizens!
That would work just about as good as Alcohol Prohibition!
America is a gun junkie and no law ,no restrictions will change that!
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Too many American liberals are OK with the ridiculous UK guns laws.

They are obviously paranoid on the subject of firearms, and we needn't be emulating another nation's psychosis,
even if they are significantly advanced of us on virtually every other social issue [like health care and education].

Frankly, I wouldn't lose a minute's sleep if every privately owned AR-15 type assault weapon in the nation
were confiscated without financial compensation
and if anyone who protested the confiscation were shot dead on the spot.

I can't come up with a legal argument for doing that
nor even an argument for what would make it fair--
I doubt such argument exists--
but I still wouldn't lose a minute's sleep over it
because we're dealing useless cracker assholes anyway.

Nevertheless, too many liberals would be perfectly ok with a virtually complete ban on civilian ownership of all firearms
and the fuckwit reichtards use that as fuel
to claim that that is what the Democratic Party officially wants to do.

Given the great tract of real estate,
America would be a truly grand nation
if only we had a few citizens with functioning brains.

I loathe conservative Middle American Republican and Libertarian values
but I also sadly lament
how sissified so many of the more intelligent cosmopolitan people have become.

What the fuck happened to this nation?
Is it still salvageable even with partition?
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Nick, the nation can be salvaged if those like you, racist, bigoted, stupid, will just commit suicide.

Nick, you can make this a better world by removing yourself from it.

I mean, you know you're racist scum with nothing to offer anyone. You're just a parasite living off the efforts of your betters.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
Nick, the nation can be salvaged if those like you, racist, bigoted, stupid, will just commit suicide.

Nick, you can make this a better world by removing yourself from it.

I mean, you know you're racist scum with nothing to offer anyone. You're just a parasite living off the efforts of your betters.
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I'll pass the message on to Nick for you if I happen to see him.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
not directly, no. But what the people can do is be aware of it and then vote in to office people who WILL hold them accountable..............
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How's that worked out so far?

I suggest a system no different than courts use - those who knowingly violate the Constitution are guilty of contempt and be held criminally liable.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
You'll have to win a civil war, but we are headed to a very bloody civil war anyway - so hard to say what your masters, the Communist Chinese will do once the dust settles, and they march in unopposed.
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Uncensored2008, the JPP Forum idiot is hard at work, posting foolish nonsense.
 
Mason Michaels said:
Off topic
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Directly on topic. The ONLY way you Marxists can get what you want is if you defeat we decent Americans in a civil war.

You want to take "AR15's" away from the law abiding, because they have plastic, and plastic is deadly. What about a 30-30? Or a .30-06? The Springfield bolt action is one of the most deadly "weapons of war" in history. For kills per trigger pulls, nothing even comes close.

But, plastic is scary. You need to ban plastic.
 
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