FBI Knew Boulder, Colorado, Suspect Identity Prior to Shooting

[LV426]

Just the other day you were supporting red flag laws, now... magically you find that it is a bad thing. And because I brought up the law you pretend that it has my support in some way.

Are you sure you're not mistaking me for someone else?

I have been consistent that I think all gun owners should face mandatory, annual (or semi-annual) mental health screenings...I don't believe I've even spoken to "red flag laws". Isn't that what ERPO is? And what did I say about ERPO? That I thought it was unfair to put the burden on the family of adult relatives, who are not responsible for their adult relatives.

ERPO would still require someone to take action to preempt something...whereas with mandatory mental health examinations, the action is inherent and directed by the state; and the doctor doing the evaluation is the one who is ultimately held accountable for the actions of the person they evaluated and cleared.

Don't you want some accountability here when someone who is mentally ill acts violently with a gun?

 

[LV426]

This is the law the left wants passed, how do I know? Because the left passed it. Unfortunately, the folks that should have brought it up to protect others, didn't.

Well, I don't know about that and I've been consistent here in what I think the remedies are.

You're the ones who absolutely refuse to debate the merits of what I think the remedies are, because doing so would naturally lead you to the same conclusions I reached.

 

[LV426]

FBI knew of him and could have flagged him! Put him under surveillance etc

Wait - I'm confused...

Y'all say you have a gun to protect against government overreach, but here you are saying the FBI should do explicitly that.

What did the FBI know of him, actually?

There's no mental illness diagnosis, so they couldn't have considered him mentally ill.

 

[LV426]

they could have watched a Muslim ISIS nut after he bought the gun with his stim check

How do you know this guy was ISIS?

From what everything I've read, he wasn't political like that.

Did the FBI have proof he was ISIS, or are you just making that assumption because you're islamophobic?

 

[LV426]

I do, I will not pay for your stupid ass screenings, it is against my 2nd amendment rights!

But you already pay for a background check, don't you?

So you agree this will get passed to taxpayers, no thank you!

Of course it will. It has to. No doctor works for free.

Not a chance in hell those who are gun enthusiasts get their gats stolen!

About 200,000 of you lose your guns every year.

And 10% of the time, you don't even tell the cops when you do.

 

[LV426]

No one will steal mine

I'm sure that's what the 200k who lost their guns last year thought too.

Suicide yes, accidents are how much of the 65%, I guarantee it's very low!

Probably about 15% since suicides make up half of all gun deaths.

My weapon only comes out at the range, at home to clean, or in case of intrusion

What happens if someone intrudes in your house and you're not near your gun?

What happens if they get your gun first?

Unless you walk around your house with your gun on you 24/7, you can't say with confidence you'd use it in self-defense from a break-in.

So do you walk around your house 24/7, strapped?

What if you're in one room and the thief breaks into the room where you store your guns? How will your guns protect against you there?

It is only loaded when at the range and after cleaning

Then it's pretty useless to protect against an intruder if you're not storing it loaded and carrying it on you 24/7.

So you keep your gun in a lockbox in your...bedroom, we'll say...and you're downstairs watching TV in your living room, and a thief breaks in through your back door, how is your gun, which isn't even in the same place as you, supposed to protect against an intruder in that scenario?

 

[LV426]

I will give you a little more time to think!

Or you just don't know because you don't know anything.

 

[Wolverine]

But you already pay for a background check, don't you?




Of course it will. It has to. No doctor works for free.




About 200,000 of you lose your guns every year.

And 10% of the time, you don't even tell the cops when you do.

Yes I did and will not pay for screenings!
I am not paying for a Psychologist's next summer home! I suppose with all those Liberal arts degrees in Psychology running around without a job, this is a way for the Gubmint to subsidize the little darlings, for keeping their Marxist professor friends paid! No thanks!
The Government can just leave me alone, and know the only time my weapon comes out is for target practice, and self defense, screw your annual screenings!
Losing and having stolen are two different things!
Law abiding citizens who are gun enthusiasts will definitely call police as they have nothing to hide!

 

[Wolverine]

Or you just don't know because you don't know anything.

Who will benefit by guns being seized? No not every American! Think hard!

 

[LV426]

Yes I did and will not pay for screenings!

Why not?

Why won't you pay for your own mental health screening?

Are you afraid of wasting your money only to have a doctor tell you what strangers on the internet have been telling you for years?

 

[volsrock]

Good question, why was he?

Ask the FBI...not the NRA or Colt

 

[Wolverine]

I'm sure that's what the 200k who lost their guns last year thought too.




Probably about 15% since suicides make up half of all gun deaths.




What happens if someone intrudes in your house and you're not near your gun?

What happens if they get your gun first?

Unless you walk around your house with your gun on you 24/7, you can't say with confidence you'd use it in self-defense from a break-in.

So do you walk around your house 24/7, strapped?

What if you're in one room and the thief breaks into the room where you store your guns? How will your guns protect against you there?




Then it's pretty useless to protect against an intruder if you're not storing it loaded and carrying it on you 24/7.

So you keep your gun in a lockbox in your...bedroom, we'll say...and you're downstairs watching TV in your living room, and a thief breaks in through your back door, how is your gun, which isn't even in the same place as you, supposed to protect against an intruder in that scenario?

Links for those stats would be nice, and make sure those lost, were not stolen

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

NO!

Your family members cannot diagnose you as mentally ill.

The only way to be diagnosed with a mental illness is to undergo an examination.

The family telling law enforcement that they think their relative is dangerous, despite being unfair to the family who is not responsible for adult relatives, doesn't do anything...and unless he's been committed and treated, there's nothing to indicate that in a background check.




When have I ever supported this stupid law?

Never.

It's not even CLOSE to what I "propound"(?) and "support".

I "propound" and support mandatory mental health pre-screenings, which is NOT what ERPO is, and you can look at any of my posts on this subject to see that.

Unlike you all, I have been remarkably consistent in my position.

all those words are fine.
erpo does that, and you propound and support it.

 

[Wolverine]

I'm sure that's what the 200k who lost their guns last year thought too.




Probably about 15% since suicides make up half of all gun deaths.




What happens if someone intrudes in your house and you're not near your gun?

What happens if they get your gun first?

Unless you walk around your house with your gun on you 24/7, you can't say with confidence you'd use it in self-defense from a break-in.

So do you walk around your house 24/7, strapped?

What if you're in one room and the thief breaks into the room where you store your guns? How will your guns protect against you there?




Then it's pretty useless to protect against an intruder if you're not storing it loaded and carrying it on you 24/7.

So you keep your gun in a lockbox in your...bedroom, we'll say...and you're downstairs watching TV in your living room, and a thief breaks in through your back door, how is your gun, which isn't even in the same place as you, supposed to protect against an intruder in that scenario?

So I was right accidental was a low number! Share the link you got this from!
How does said intruder know I have a gun or where it is? By the way my Dogs would let me know if anyone is with 10 feet of my house, whether they know you or not!

Of course it's loaded but i simply do not chamber a round learn a little about gun safety and use before you start talking about it! My weapon when sleeping is close enough that when my dogs alert me I can get to it in plenty of time!

 

[Wolverine]

Why not?

Why won't you pay for your own mental health screening?

Are you afraid of wasting your money only to have a doctor tell you what strangers on the internet have been telling you for years?

I have no need of one thanks! Especially by someone who benefits from my being unarmed!

 

[LV426]

Links for those stats would be nice, and make sure those lost, were not stolen

Which stats? The 200,000 who lose their guns every year, or the 10% who don't tell the cops? Cuz both are here and I also gave y'all 4% so you'd look slightly better and I was also being generous on the 200K number because it's actually higher:

Household burglaries involving stolen firearms were more likely to be reported to police (86 percent) than burglaries involving the theft of other items (62 percent) of comparable value ($500-$999).
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/press/fshbopc0510pr.cfm

About 1.4 million firearms were stolen during household burglaries and other property crimes over the six-year period from 2005 through 2010, according to a report released today by the Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS). This number represents an estimated average of 232,400 firearms stolen each year— about 172,000 stolen during burglaries and 60,300 stolen during other property crimes.
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/press/fshbopc0510pr.cfm

 

[LV426]

all those words are fine.
erpo does that, and you propound and support it.

ERPO mandates pre-screenings for mental health? Sure...but only if someone takes the action to do it.

If no one takes the action, like in CO, then what?

 

[LV426]

So I was right accidental was a low number

I never said it wasn't. What I said was that you were more likely than not to harm yourself or others with a gun than ever use the gun in self-defense.

According to the CDC, 35% of all gun deaths are either homicide or self-defense. So that leaves 65% for everything else.

ow does said intruder know I have a gun or where it is?

They don't, but they're certainly going to look for it.

By the way my Dogs would let me know if anyone is with 10 feet of my house, whether they know you or not!

I have dogs too, but being a dog owner has opened my eyes as to how dogs are easily distracted because they're not smart animals.

Of course it's loaded but i simply do not chamber a round learn a little about gun safety and use before you start talking about it!

Wait - so you do keep a loaded gun in your house. I don't think it matters if there's a round in the chamber or not.

What happens if the thief gets to your gun first?

My weapon when sleeping is close enough that when my dogs alert me I can get to it in plenty of time!

Nothing says "freedom" like sleeping with a loaded weapon under your head because you're afraid of thieves.

 

[LV426]

I have no need of one thanks!

The guy who shot up the supermarket in CO also didn't think he needed one...but he clearly did.

So how are we to know you're different from any of the other mass shooters?

How are you not like them? And don't say because you haven't committed a mass shooting, because you haven't committed one YET.

 

[LV426]

Especially by someone who benefits from my being unarmed!

Who benefits from you being unarmed? We already know you're more likely to harm yourself or others with your gun before you'd ever use it in self-defense.