FBI Knew Boulder, Colorado, Suspect Identity Prior to Shooting

SmarterthanYou said:
several states have those now...doesn't seem to help. what makes you think it will work on a federal level?
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It should not have to be on a Federal level!

Every state in the Union should realize they do not want unregistered guns in their state, and every state should want everyone owning a gun in their state to know how to safely own, operate, and legally sell guns in their state, and every state should not want the sale of guns to be transferred to someone not licensed to own, operate, or sale guns in their own states.

This is just common sense!

Have you ever understood why these laws are referred to as COMMON SENSE LAWS?
 
volsrock said:
Biden supporter Ahmad Alissa was known to the FBI and had ranted online about “racist islamophobes” .. The FBI failed to stop another shooting where they knew the gunman but weren’t watching him as he purchased a gun .
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pathetic
 
LV426 said:
So how do you close that loophole?
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there are certain things you cant do, unless your willing to violate peoples rights and the constitution .
having to see a head doctor before buying a gun would create a back log for years . There were around 40 million gun sales in 2020.

there are about 28,000 psychiatrists in the nation and the numbers are not growing, it would decades to train enough and be a enormous cost .

also its not uncommon for people to lie to a shrink ,and a nut cake planning on shooting some one would probably lie in a interview which inst going to be time consuming or extensive .
Its really up to peoples doctors aka head doc or other wise to file grievances , law enforcement and peoples family members , which rarely do and they face legal action for liberal lawyers who will sue you about anything .

there's not always a answer to problems involving people .

People who are motivated to do something illegal no matter what it is have a tendcy to be very resourceful.
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
It should not have to be on a Federal level!

Every state in the Union should realize they do not want unregistered guns in their state, and every state should want everyone owning a gun in their state to know how to safely own, operate, and legally sell guns in their state, and every state should not want the sale of guns to be transferred to someone not licensed to own, operate, or sale guns in their own states.

This is just common sense!

Have you ever understood why these laws are referred to as COMMON SENSE LAWS?
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did we have mass shootings back in 50s 60s? NOPE

this country is different now its insane we know call a boy with a dick a girl

we shove crazy meds down kids mouth from age 5 or so...than they flip out at age 22 and we wonder why

boys are pussies now .. tease one at school they cant handle it...parents call them depressed over it and bam they are put on crazy meds
 
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volsrock said:
did we have mass shootings back in 50s 60s? NOPE

this country is different now its insane we know call a boy with a dick a girl

we shove crazy pills down kids mouth from age 5 or so...than they flip out at age 22 and we wonder why
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Your concerns regarding those matters are important and legitimate- BECAUSE YOU ARE A TAX-PAYING CITIZEN- AND EVERYONE'S OPINIONS ON THESE MATTERS ARE IMPORTANT!

But we did have mass shootings back in the 50's and 60's!

Here are the victims of a Massacre in 1966 when a mentally ill man climbed the tower on the UT campus with a rifle and killed them at will for no apparent reason.

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ANd I am not a doctor- BUT I'M WILLING TO TAKE A LOOK! Yes, there are people born with both sex organs- and our laws on the books leaves it up to those individuals to decide for themselves whether they want to be called males or females! NOT SURE WHY YOU WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT AS YOU ARE LUCKY YOU WEREN'T BORN THIS WAY SO IT REALLY SHOULD NOT CONCERN YOU!

AND YES, CHILDREN DO RECEIVE MEDICATIONS AND DOCTORS PRESCRIPTIONS- JUST AS ADULTS AND EVEN ANIMALS GET!

SO, I'M HERE TO HELP SHARE MY COMMON SENSE AND COMMON KNOWLEDGE ON THESE MATTERS FOR YOU OR ANYONE ELSE WHO IS HAVING A PROBLEM UNDERSTANDING THESE LEGITIMATE MATTERS AND WHILE STILL HAVING CONCERNS FOR THEM!

I'm here to help!
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
It should not have to be on a Federal level!

Every state in the Union should realize they do not want unregistered guns in their state, and every state should want everyone owning a gun in their state to know how to safely own, operate, and legally sell guns in their state, and every state should not want the sale of guns to be transferred to someone not licensed to own, operate, or sale guns in their own states.

This is just common sense!

Have you ever understood why these laws are referred to as COMMON SENSE LAWS?
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It's impossible to call something a common sense law when it's not sensical to make it harder or more expensive for people to exercise a right or to defend themselves.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
It's impossible to call something a common sense law when it's not sensical to make it harder or more expensive for people to exercise a right or to defend themselves.
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It is because guns in the wrong hands are a problem- and common sense tells us that!

JUST AS AUTOMOBILES IN THE WRONG HANDS ARE PROBLEMS! COMMON SENSE!

FOR SOMEONE TO CLAIM THEY ARE SMARTER THAN ANYONE ELSE- YOU SEEM TO ACTUALLY BE DUMBER THAN ANYONE ELSE!

NEXT!
 
volsrock said:
The FBI knew in advance the Pulse Nightclub shooter (Omar Mateen) and were tipped off by the local sheriff. The FBI knew in advance the San Bernardino Terrorists (Tashfeen Malik). The FBI knew in advance the Boston Marathon Bombers (the Tsarnaev brothers) tipped off by Russians. The FBI knew in advance the Garland, Texas, shooters (Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi). The FBI knew in advance of the Parkland High School shooter (Nikolas Cruz). The FBI knew in advance of the Fort Hood shooter (Nidal Hasan); and now the FBI knew in advance of Ahmad al-Aliwi Alissa.

Those are just off-the-top of my head… Anyone notice a pattern?

Meanwhile the political FBI agents chase the ghosts of mysteriously invisible white supremacists conducting random acts of unidentified racism..


https://theconservativetreehouse.co...-colorado-suspect-identity-prior-to-shooting/


13 FBI agents were dispatched to Talladega speedway to investigate a garage pull-down rope and push a narrative.
13 FBI agents were dispatched to Talladega speedway to investigate a garage pull-down rope and push a narrative.
13 FBI agents were dispatched to Talladega speedway to investigate a garage pull-down rope and push a narrative.


They knew about this guy, knew he bought a gun and did nothing
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So did his Mother :rolleyes:
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
It is because guns in the wrong hands are a problem- and common sense tells us that!

JUST AS AUTOMOBILES IN THE WRONG HANDS ARE PROBLEMS! COMMON SENSE!

FOR SOMEONE TO CLAIM THEY ARE SMARTER THAN ANYONE ELSE- YOU SEEM TO ACTUALLY BE DUMBER THAN ANYONE ELSE!

NEXT!
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and you think that the law you suggested is going to keep guns or automobiles out of the wrong hands? that's not sensical

NEXT!
 
Damocles said:
The ERPO law should have been enough to stop him, it took effect on Jan 1, 2020
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But it requires the family or law enforcement to take action first which they didn't because either:

a) they didn't know they could do this

or

b) they didn't care enough.

So that system doesn't work, clearly, so it's not the family's fault that this guy wasn't prevented from buying a gun, it was the State's fault.

Now, had this guy underwent a mental health pre-screening before buying the guns, he probably would have been diagnosed, committed, and/or treated for his mental illness. There is nothing that requires that of anyone, hence why we are where we are today.

You seem to be leaning in the direction that it's the family's responsibility to notify courts, doctors, law enforcement, whoever that they think someone is a danger which prompts state action.

Now, imagine one of YOUR relatives doing the same thing to you, resulting in you losing your guns and/or being forcibly committed and/or treated for a mental illness you don't believe you have.

How does that scenario play out, in your mind?

How does it play out when you are the person everyone thinks is a danger, but you don't think you're a danger?
 
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LV426 said:
But it requires the family or law enforcement to take action first which they didn't because either:

a) they didn't know they could do this

or

b) they didn't care enough.

So that system doesn't work, clearly, so it's not the family's fault that this guy wasn't prevented from buying a gun, it was the State's fault.

Now, had this guy underwent a mental health pre-screening before buying the guns, he probably would have been diagnosed, committed, and/or treated for his mental illness. There is nothing that requires that of anyone, hence why we are where we are today.

You seem to be leaning in the direction that it's the family's responsibility to notify courts, doctors, law enforcement, whoever that they think someone is a danger which prompts state action.

Now, imagine one of YOUR relatives doing the same thing to you, resulting in you losing your guns and/or being forcibly committed and/or treated for a mental illness you don't believe you have.

How does that scenario play out, in your mind?

How does it play out when you are the person everyone thinks is a danger, but you don't think you're a danger?
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I don't normally engage with you, because I find you to be dishonest and disingenuous. But I guess I am willing to take the chance again. You stated here that the family could do nothing, but that is simply false.

The family or law enforcement can act on this law. The reality is there was a method, one that you and Governor Polis propound, that of "red flag laws".

The reality is there is a method in place currently that could have stopped this, but the FBI didn't act, the brother of the shooter didn't act, nobody that should have acted. I presented earlier that the "send LE in to take guns" method should be replaced with get this guy into a hospital and get him help (take the man from the environment where he is a danger rather than try to take guns from an armed unstable man), you "answered" with a disingenuous, and rather unintelligent, thread about how mental instability could not possibly be the cause of such activity. A disarmed unstable man can still cause a crapton of death and destruction. Pretending that guns are the only method of danger from an unstable individual is just that... pretense.

This will likely be my only response to you (as I said I find you dishonest and incapable of an actual conversation), but I thought it necessary to correct your stupid assertion that the family could do nothing.
 
Damocles said:
I don't normally engage with you, because I find you to be dishonest and disingenuous. But I guess I am willing to take the chance again. You stated here that the family could do nothing, but that is simply false.
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I didn't say they couldn't do nothing, what I said was that in this instance, they did nothing.
 
Damocles said:
I don't normally engage with you, because I find you to be dishonest and disingenuous.
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You are the person who changes subject headers because they upset you, and does so to make the target of your uncontrollable temper look worse than you.

So you were saying something about dishonesty and disingenuousness? You, the guy who changes subject headers to make it look like someone is saying something that they're not.

Are you not the one who does that?
 
Damocles said:
The family or law enforcement can act on this law.
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Right, they CAN, but they don't have to because there's nothing compelling them to.

Putting the onus on family and not the state for addressing a mentally ill person who wants to get guns is an undue burden that is impossible to enforce, it's entirely at the whims of the people making the observations of your behavior.


he reality is there was a method, one that you and Governor Polis propound, that of "red flag laws".
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But those laws only work if universally applied, which you and every other Conservative opposes doing.
 
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