Far right holding out on McCarthy!

Althea said:
Right. That doesn't involve Dems.. I believe Republicans are holding out for 1 vote, but at this point it's all drama.
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No, it doesn't involve Dems. I think it is about getting maximum concessions for the radical right, but it's definitely drama. I think (hope) it's going to be a messy week for the Republicans.
 
Althea said:
Do Dems alone have the votes?
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No, it would take at least 5 Republicans voting no confidence and then a majority of the full House to remove McCarthy. I think the only way all of the Republicans would vote McCarthy out would be if they had a sure replacement ready to go.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
It’s really interesting you are so excited by this. Yes, the Speaker is #3 to be President but #2 in the line of succession. Awesome. Kevin can brag about it, but the odds of him becoming President would be about the same as WWIII under Biden.
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I'm not excited. You made a common error, I corrected you, you doubled down, and then Phan stepped in.

Don't sweat it. The original point is valid. Nobody wants McCarthy to be anywhere near the WH.
 
Althea said:
I'm not excited. You made a common error, I corrected you, you doubled down, and then Phan stepped in.

Don't sweat it. The original point is valid. Nobody wants McCarthy to be anywhere near the WH.
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Awesome. You obviously are very pleased. :thup:
 
Dutch Uncle said:
The Hunter thing is a loser. All the Republicans would do is make themselves look stupid to the entire voting public. It’s one thing to push that crap on Fox News and political forums full of Trumpers, but it’s different when wasting taxpayer money prior to the 2024 election.
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Especially since it's evident that the voters pretty much put that to bed last November.

I just read that Republicans are now actively planning to hamstring the House Ethics Committee, which would make 'investigating' the Jan. 6 committee. I wonder if this is a concession to those who don't want 2 years of reality t.v.?
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
He better be willing to drop the anticipated Hunter Biden probe, or he may not even get a single Democrat vote to help bail him out of his mess!

And he better, in advance, ask Santos to step down if he wants to be 2nd in line to be the President of the United States!

Speaker of the House is such an important role!
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Both of those seem like unreasonable demands from the minority party. Few things get the Republican base harder than a pending investigation into Hunter Biden's laptop. I say let them investigate as much as they want.

And Santos is the Republicans' problem. If they keep him in the House for more than a couple months, it'll be just another thing voters can hold against them. Neither of those items would be as important as having some input into the next Speaker.
 
Diesel said:
No, it would take at least 5 Republicans voting no confidence and then a majority of the full House to remove McCarthy. I think the only way all of the Republicans would vote McCarthy out would be if they had a sure replacement ready to go.
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Yep. But they could have someone ready to go with support from Dems, which wouldn't be hard if they could find a sane Republican.
 
Althea said:
Especially since it's evident that the voters pretty much put that to bed last November.

I just read that Republicans are now actively planning to hamstring the House Ethics Committee, which would make 'investigating' the Jan. 6 committee. I wonder if this is a concession to those who don't want 2 years of reality t.v.?
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The thing is, McCarthy knows the 1/6 investigation investigation is just another witch hunt in the first place.
 
Althea said:
I'm not excited. You made a common error, I corrected you, you doubled down, and then Phan stepped in.

Don't sweat it. The original point is valid. Nobody wants McCarthy to be anywhere near the WH.
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Dutch seethes when you correct him. You're right that that particular mistake gets made all the time.
 
Althea said:
Actually, the more you push this, the more it's 'obvious' that you are very embarrassed.

Nobody's perfect.
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Push what? That I was thinking the Speaker is #3 to be President but #2 in the “line of succession”? Yes, Althea, I was wrong. You got me. Appreciate the “win”. :)
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
The thing is, McCarthy knows the 1/6 investigation investigation is just another witch hunt in the first place.
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What the Republicans say and what they think are too different things. Let’s not forget that Kevin was pleading for Trump to call off the Insurrectionists.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/...carthy-attempts-to-reach-trump-during-attack/
Jan. 6 committee zeroes in on Kevin McCarthy attempts to reach Trump during attack
In a Fox News clip from the day of the attack, McCarthy talked on the air about speaking to Trump.
“I think we need to make a statement, make sure that we can calm individuals down,” McCarthy said.
Marc Short, chief of staff to then-Vice President Mike Pence, said that McCarthy had indicated he had a conversation with Trump or someone in the White House. Short indicated that McCarthy expressed frustration the White House was “not taking the circumstances seriously as they should at that moment.”
In an audio clip, Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler (R-Wash.) described McCarthy talking about calling the White House and getting through to Trump.
“He said, ‘You have got to get on TV. You’ve got to get on Twitter. You’ve got to call these people off.’”

Herrera Beutler said. “You know what the president said to him? This is as it’s happening. He said, ‘Well, Kevin, these aren’t my people. These are, these are antifa.’”

McCarthy responded that they were Trump’s people, and that his staff was running for cover, Herrera Beutler said.
“And the president’s response to Kevin, to me, was chilling. He said, ‘Well, Kevin, I guess they’re more upset about the election theft than you are,’” Herrera Beutler.
The two then got in a swearing match, she said.
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Althea said:
I do not believe that any Dem would seat McCarthy. Holding out gives them a chance to vote for someone with a brain
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The problem is, until we have a House Speaker, Congress is dead in the water.

So, now there will be several votes until this gets ironed out.

This could go on for weeks.
 
Diesel said:
Both of those seem like unreasonable demands from the minority party. Few things get the Democrat base harder than a pending investigation into Trump. I say let them investigate as much as they want.

And Biden is the Democrat's problem. If they keep him free for more than a couple months, it'll be just another thing voters can hold against them. Neither of those items would be as important as having some input into the next Speaker.
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True dat.
 
Diesel said:
But who's competing with him? All I see is a handful of MAGA neo-Nazis insisting that McCarthy help them destroy the country or they won't vote for him. I don't think this is about finding the right party leader as much as it is about giving MTG, Boebert, and Gaetz what they want.

The Republican party lost control of itself decades ago, but now it's an uncontrollable dumpster fire. They chose to give the radical right this much power. Now they have to live with it -- and hopefully keep losing elections as a result.
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I'm good with the spineless traitors losing. It means that America wins.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I'm good with the spineless traitors losing. It means that America wins.
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The strange thing is, the fights all seem to be over rendering the House a smoldering pile of garbage that will never get anything done. It seems each Klan has their own favorite method, but they insist on getting it done
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I'm good with the spineless traitors losing. It means that America wins.
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The House can’t do anything without a Speaker. Nothing happens. Since Kevin has already cut as many deals as possible, he may have to reach across the aisle for votes.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3794536-the-republicans-voting-against-mccarthy/
The Republicans voting against McCarthy
As House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy’s (R-Calif.) bid for Speaker hangs in the balance, several far-right members of his own party have indicated that they plan to oppose him in Tuesday’s vote.
The five “Never Kevin” Republicans — Reps. Andy Biggs (Ariz.), Matt Gaetz (Fla.), Ralph Norman (S.C.), Matt Rosendale (Mont.) and Bob Good (Va.) — have pledged to vote as a bloc on Tuesday, and they all appear likely to remain firmly anti-McCarthy.
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