Faces of the Minimum Wage?!!

In response to Howey and RazorX:

The world is far too complex to make these broad statements about responsibility. I'll present you with some scenarios. Someone goes skydiving, has problems with his parachute, and breaks his legs as a result. He looses his job at the factory, and can't pay the bills. Is that his fault? Someone else is in a relationship, gets pregnant, decides to keep the kid, and quits her job to take care of it. Their significant other looses their job, or maybe they divorce. Is that her fault? What about if a couple moves into a new home a few blocks from a factory, they get terribly sick, and the water is later discovered to carcinogenic? Is that their fault? How about if someone grows up in a poor neighborhood, get average grades, and can't go to college because they need to help support their family? Is it their fault that they end up working a minimum wage job?

The answer isn't yes, or no to any of these questions. They could have all been conceivably prevented, but externalities also played a role. You need to remember that the world is a huge web of choice and consequence, but also of chance, and the effects the activities of other human beings have on their fellows. To simply write off the fact that we're social animals who live in societies, and to say our actions are solely a product of our own deficiencies and capabilities, is to deny the very foundation of how we organize ourselves.
 
RazorX;1241 [b said:
Ashely Sanders, 20, St. Louis[/b]
Where she works: Hardee's

“I have bills to pay, and I need to provide the necessities for my son. He’s 6 months old.
“I get food stamps; they help to feed the five other adults in my household, too. I want to move out of my mom’s house, but it’s difficult to put pennies aside. I plan to return to cosmetology school, but I need to find a better job.”

You got knocked up, not married and 5 other useless adults are not working as well

Denis Belioglo, 19, Queens, N.Y.
Where he works: Telco Stores

“I came to New York from Moldova with my mother and younger brother about six months ago. We live with my grandparents. My mother is ill and can’t work. My grandmother works and my grandfather gets food stamps. I have a green card and was lucky enough to find a job as a stock attendant through the Edith and Carl Marks Jewish Community House.
“As an immigrant, getting that first job is important. It has also improved my English. If I made more money, it would be easier to go to school.”

Another useless immigrant that cannot speak english and a family that is sucking at the goverment teat.

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Anita Braden, 40, Camp Hill, Pa.
Where she works: Fire Mountain Restaurant

“I’m a cashier and bakery worker in a restaurant and a single mother. Four of my five children and one grandchild live with me. I get food stamps, and I’m trying to get more hours. My boyfriend has moved in to help me. I’m always stressed. I worry about everything, and that stress gets passed on to my kids. They want to work to try and help me. It breaks my heart.”

If you cannot afford to have kids stop breeding. As ugly as you are, who would fuck you 5 times?

Kevin Meagher, 53, Austin, Tex.
Where he works: First Workers' Day Labor Center and Labor Ready

“I have a college education and then some, and I can’t find a full-time job at present. Minimum wage is not enough to have a decent standard of living in Austin. I’m lucky because I rent a room from a friend for less than the market rate. I also take part in medical studies for extra money. I never thought I’d be doing that.”

Another idiot that got a liberal arts degree and does not understand why he cannot find a job.

Amin Arnold, 25, Manhattan
Where he works: Guitar Center

“I produce electronic dance music. My goal is to be a full-time musician, but for now I work as a salesperson. New York City is a good place for an artist, but it’s extremely difficult living here. One of my colleagues is sharing a bedroom. I’m living with a family member here, but it’s still tough after I pay rent and buy food.
“I was in college until I had to drop out because of finances. There’s no way I can save to return to school and find better work.”

A black man that cannot get a free ride in college from the goverment, what did you do with the money, buy crack?

Marvin Jones, 45, Milwaukee
Where he works: McDonald's

“I’m a maintenance man at McDonald’s. When my grandbabies come over on the weekend, I spend on them, making sure that they eat and are comfortable. I eat McDonald’s the last two weeks of the month because I have no food left.”

Tell your sons or daughters to get off their ass and support their own kids, then maybe you would have enough money.

The choices all of these idiots made is the result of their own failures in life, you could increase the minium wage to $20.00 an hour and they would still be complaining because it would not be enough to support all the other useless people they are supporting.
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The Dude said:
The ones who owned slaves! Don't you agree!
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not necessarily. slavery had as much if not more to do with economics than it did with hatred, sure there had to be a component of disdain for the slave in order to justify doing it. but it was really all about economics. would you say that the blacks who owned slaves during that time were racists? would you say that the indians who owned slaves at that time were racists?

why would a black man own a black slave? has you puny little mind ever pondered that thought.

Now, I know what you will say. You will immediately presume that by pointing out that blacks owned black slaves and that blacks sold blacks into slavery, I am condoning or somehow trying to mitigate the responsibility of those involved. I am not. I am merely pointing out that it was a complex issue. I would also add that those racist founding fathers that you have so much disdain for designed a system of government that led to the abolition of slavery. I would also add that if it were for Christians leading the movement, civil rights may have never happened.

So you can take your self admiration and faulty premises and you can shove them up your ass.
 
I Love America said:
If only you liberals ponied up out of your own pockets for those things you claim to care so deeply about. There is nothing admirable about calling for your fellow citizens to assuage your conscience. Dig deep. Stop talking. Start doing.
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Admirable? My conscience is clear. How about yours?
How about you explain what you mean? I have no idea what you are talking about when you say "dig deep."

I am willing to pay higher prices and/or higher taxes as long as they go to help balance our society's inequities. In the US, we have the highest disparity between the folks at the top and those at the bottom as any industrialized country. If we did nothing more that adjusting this, just a little, none of us would have to pay higher taxes OR higher prices. It's just that the very rich would not get even richer quite as fast.

That is not socialism or even communism. It's just a little bit of fairness and recognition of the people that contribute the LABOR.

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BTW, you will probably be happy to learn I will soon be signing off here. Watching page after page of sniping and name calling without advancing the debate is a waste of all of our time. But, I can only be responsible for my own, and I'm having a tough time justifing wasting much more of mine. If anyone knows of a political forum where issues are actually discussed, please shot me a message with it's address.
 
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