FAA warns public against shooting guns at drones

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tekkychick said:
Rune - I agree. Drones are hugely troublesome. But they will be used. Unless something pretty bizarre happens in this country, like progressives actually getting influence, they WILL be used. Just like video cameras on every corner. Not sure why you think I didn't have a point on the town issuing licenses- do you seriously think the feds will sit by if a townissues hunting licenses on drones? that town will be in a world of hurt.

I too dislike the idea of spying on meth dealers and pot farmers with drones. But how is that different from sending a sheriff out to check out an illegal grow someone reported? That's what the argument will be. And it's hard to counter. I don't like radar guns either or traffic light cameras. But lost those battles.

SF - the guy is gathering a petition to get the town to issue drone hunting licenses. Read the article yourself.
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I have read the article and I know several of the people in that town. They are doing it as a symbolic gesture. They are well aware that it is illegal to actually do it. Hence the shotgun limitation for the 'license'.

Re Drones and farmers - http://modernfarmer.com/2013/07/drones-drones-on-the-range/
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2013/jul/21/industry-hopes-farmers-will-embrace-drone-technolo/
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324763404578431031698188710.html
and EPA spying on farmers - http://news.yahoo.com/epa-drones-spy-farmers-nebraska-iowa-150411579.html
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I thank you for the links.. the first ones deal with private drone technology. I don't think anyone has a problem with people using tech to help look at their own land/property etc... the problem lies in the government using it to spy on citizens... such as your final link. That has to stop.

Drones and commercials - not yet. But seriously? you don't see that coming? Ads are on urinals... think companies will miss the chance to blare ads over the skies? Drones will be cheaper than hiring planes to pull banners.
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No, I do not see drones being used to blare commercials. Not going to happen.

Re drones being used for zoning compliance - local jurisdictions in various places are already asking for drones for various reasons. In a county like mine, which covers a lot of square miles with a sparse population, absolutely I could see local planning dept saying "let's save on gas, instead we'll use a drone to fly over and see if someone is building something without a permit"
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The government, whether it be local, state or federal does not have the right to spy on its citizens. It is illegal and unconstitutional. We the people will not tolerate such nonsense from the government.
 
Superfreak said:
No, I do not see drones being used to blare commercials. Not going to happen.
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I hope you're right...

The government, whether it be local, state or federal does not have the right to spy on its citizens. It is illegal and unconstitutional. We the people will not tolerate such nonsense from the government.
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I think most agree on this ... though I admit that it took me a while back in the last decade.
 
Superfreak said:
A plant is being grown in a non environmental way? link us up...
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While off-topic, there's nothing funny about the illegal grows in our nat'l forests. They are pulling in irrigation lines, using fertilizers and weed killers and hurting the forests. That's one (of many) reasons I'm for legalizing pot - let's get it growing on farms, not in our nat'l forests and parks.

Superfreak said:
The government, whether it be local, state or federal does not have the right to spy on its citizens. It is illegal and unconstitutional. We the people will not tolerate such nonsense from the government.
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Really? Will be interesting to see the court case on that one. What's the difference between sending a cop to see if you've built something illegal vs overflying with a drone?

Not disagreeing with you in a pure sense, but in reality? We're spied on all the time.

Now granted, the officer can't step foot on to our property without a good reason. But is the air over our house our property? and how high up?

I don't know what the answers will end up being. I err on the worst case scenario.

And would love it if drones weren't used to blare commercials. But I think you're being too "sunny side up" on that one.
 
leaningright said:
I agree that the ordinance was a symbolic (and humorously so) gesture but tekky's point about farmers came from the OP article talking about what could be legitimate/good uses for drones. The other stuff, not sure but maybe she was thinking of possible uses her self. Whatever the case, most of the folks left of center fail to see the humor in shooting anything, even the neighbors.
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Well, there is ONE neighbor I might not mind shooting....

She was shooting at woodpeckers on her roof one day, hit a neighbor's house ... he called the sheriff on her. Was kind of funny since no one got hurt.



leaningright said:
"The FAA is working on regulations to safely integrate drones into the skies over the U.S., where manned aircraft are prevalent. The Congress gave the FAA until 2015 to develop the regulations, but the agency is behind schedule. FAA officials have estimated that once regulations are in place, thousands of drones will be in use across the country for a wide variety of purposes, from helping farmers figure out which crops need watering to tracking sea lions in remote rocky outcroppings to aiding search and rescue missions."
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Sounds innocuous doesn't it? Even as a flaming liberal bleeding-heart demo I just don't see drones being limited to helpful activities only. Or rather the definition of "helpful" will be stretched very wide.
 
tekkychick said:
While off-topic, there's nothing funny about the illegal grows in our nat'l forests. They are pulling in irrigation lines, using fertilizers and weed killers and hurting the forests. That's one (of many) reasons I'm for legalizing pot - let's get it growing on farms, not in our nat'l forests and parks.
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I didn't say it was funny, but rather asked for evidence that showed it was hurting the environment to plant plants.



Really? Will be interesting to see the court case on that one. What's the difference between sending a cop to see if you've built something illegal vs overflying with a drone?
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A cop has to have a search warrant granted in order to search your property without your consent.

Not disagreeing with you in a pure sense, but in reality? We're spied on all the time.
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No, I understand what you are saying and I agree that we are. Which is one of the reasons Libertarians do not like an excessive presence by the federal government (and state etc...)

Now granted, the officer can't step foot on to our property without a good reason. But is the air over our house our property? and how high up?
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It comes down to illegal search and seizure protections that we are granted.

I don't know what the answers will end up being. I err on the worst case scenario.

And would love it if drones weren't used to blare commercials. But I think you're being too "sunny side up" on that one.
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The difference with drones used for commercials is that we would be FORCED to listen. We would not be able to change the channel like TV or radio, we would not be able to skip over ads in the paper, magazines, we would not be able to ignore the sign being pulled by the plane if we chose.

No way in hell that gets approval.
 
tekkychick said:
While off-topic, there's nothing funny about the illegal grows in our nat'l forests. They are pulling in irrigation lines, using fertilizers and weed killers and hurting the forests. That's one (of many) reasons I'm for legalizing pot - let's get it growing on farms, not in our nat'l forests and parks.



Really? Will be interesting to see the court case on that one. What's the difference between sending a cop to see if you've built something illegal vs overflying with a drone?

Not disagreeing with you in a pure sense, but in reality? We're spied on all the time.

Now granted, the officer can't step foot on to our property without a good reason. But is the air over our house our property? and how high up?

I don't know what the answers will end up being. I err on the worst case scenario.

And would love it if drones weren't used to blare commercials. But I think you're being too "sunny side up" on that one.
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They are not hurting the forests. Over-reaction alert.
 
haven't shot a gun since a BB gun when I was a kid, eons ago, I'd make an exception for a drone. Sign me up!!
 
Rune said:
You honestly think this is a legitimate concern?
This thread is about erosion of civil rights.
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Um, when I first mentioned this I said it was off-topic -
While off-topic, there's nothing funny about the illegal grows in our nat'l forests.
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Then you and SF asked for links to prove the damage; I provided them.

So continuing off topic, Yes, I do think illegal grows in national forests and national parts is a legitimate concern. Along with the environmental danger, they pose hazards to hikers who might stumble upon them. There is no civil right to grow pot in the national forest that I'm aware of. And this is one of the many excellent reasons to make pot legal, so it can be grown in normal farming areas.

How this TIES to the topic is I'm sure my sheriff's dept and the NPS would LOVE to have a drone or two to send over the nat'l forest to find illegal grows, as it's very dangerous for the deputies to be out hunting them. If a drone spots a grow, then the sheriff's dept and the feds can move in as a group. Just like the current CAMP program only with drones - which are cheaper and quieter than helicopters and fixed wing aircraft.

And while that drone is over the forest ... well, there are illegal grows on private property; property owners often don't know about it- when you have a couple hundred acres, stuff can happen you don't know about. So that drone might just spot one on private property as well.
 
tekkychick said:
Um, when I first mentioned this I said it was off-topic -

Then you and SF asked for links to prove the damage; I provided them.

So continuing off topic, Yes, I do think illegal grows in national forests and national parts is a legitimate concern. Along with the environmental danger, they pose hazards to hikers who might stumble upon them. There is no civil right to grow pot in the national forest that I'm aware of. And this is one of the many excellent reasons to make pot legal, so it can be grown in normal farming areas.

How this TIES to the topic is I'm sure my sheriff's dept and the NPS would LOVE to have a drone or two to send over the nat'l forest to find illegal grows, as it's very dangerous for the deputies to be out hunting them. If a drone spots a grow, then the sheriff's dept and the feds can move in as a group. Just like the current CAMP program only with drones - which are cheaper and quieter than helicopters and fixed wing aircraft.

And while that drone is over the forest ... well, there are illegal grows on private property; property owners often don't know about it- when you have a couple hundred acres, stuff can happen you don't know about. So that drone might just spot one on private property as well.
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Good points, all yet I refuse to believe a few hundred acres of illegal cultivation is harmful to the billions of acres of forest in this country. Nothing permanent at any rate.

If hunting for farms is dangerous for deputies then the sherriff should prevent them from doing so for their safety
 
Rune said:
Good points, all yet I refuse to believe a few hundred acres of illegal cultivation is harmful to the billions of acres of forest in this country. Nothing permanent at any rate.

If hunting for farms is dangerous for deputies then the sherriff should prevent them from doing so for their safety
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Maybe you don't live near a national forest so you haven't been exposed to this issue. It's pretty crappy what they do out there. And these are OUR forests!

Legalize it, get them out of the forest.
 
Rune said:
Yes, civillian drones. Like the one the local perve has hovering outside your daughters bedroom window.
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Well...I was thinking more like Corporate drones watching down on the people to view their habits for marketing and product development purposes.
 
tekkychick said:
Maybe you don't live near a national forest so you haven't been exposed to this issue. It's pretty crappy what they do out there. And these are OUR forests!

Legalize it, get them out of the forest.
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Is it worse than open pit coal mining?
 
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