FAA has Newark Airport a mess!

AProudLefty said:
Trump had them fired. :dunno:
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YEP Trump and Musk went in and just started firing people at the FAA and other government agencies now that the people that actually knew their jobs are gone they need to find people to do those jobs and in the mean time the American public has been put in danger and some people can't get the help they need.
Again going in and just cutting programs and saying they are cutting waste and fraud BEFORE you even know where the waste and fraud is was really stupid.
You go in and find the waste and fraud FIRST then cut it NOT the other way around.
And as we have seen some of his MAGA followers on here are trying to put the Blame on Biden, what ASSHOLES.
 
Earl said:
Again, your ignorance precedes you.

A controller in the tower or on an approach or departure position can not be supported by anyone except another qualified controller.

Give up trying to sound like you know anything concerning ATC.
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So they need nothing but other controllers? Stupid. Every job requires support to make working conditions tenable. If I fired my cleaning people, my staff would soon quit.
 
Earl said:
Yes, it’s Biden and the vegetable’s fault.

That’s 3 years as a basic controller…3-5 years at a Zlevel 5 facility.



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Generally speaking, it takes from 6 months to 3 years for a newly hired controller to progress to fully certified controller (FPL or CPC).
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Not a valid citation and even so does not support your claim.

Who was president between Obama and Biden?
 
TOP said:
Put the blame where blame is due...
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Okay.

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Jarod said:
So they need nothing but other controllers? Stupid. Every job requires support to make working conditions tenable. If I fired my cleaning people, my staff would soon quit.
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No probationary controller can help a qualified controller at any facility, let alone a busy Level 5 facility.

As I said, give up trying to sound like you know a damn thing about ATC…you do not.
 
Jarod said:
They fired 400 people, nobody said they were controllers. Read, son, education is your friend.
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Probationaries…pay attention.

Your lack of education is your enemy.

Read what a real controller says:

Dean Charron
Studied Aviation (Graduated 1973)Author has 166 answers and 338K answer views4y
Originally Answered: How long does it take to officially become an ATC?
I have been retired for 20 years, so, I don’t know how up-to-date my info is. Many colleges now offer ATC degrees and that is one route to getting the basics down — two to four years. You can join the military and let them train you, or, you can take all of the pre-screen exams and apply directly to the FAA, which is the most common. If you are hired by the FAA directly, you go straight to OKC for basic ATC training — I think that’s about six months or less. If you graduate from the FAA Academy (washout rate is really high), you then go to an ATC facility where you will undergo classroom and ETG (simulator) training. After that, you go to the “floor” for live traffic training. Depending on the facility and the talent of the controller, OJT can take one month or two years. Once you are certified, it takes most controllers a year to get really comfortable working alone. I worked twr/radar in somewhat busy and complicated airspace — from being hired, going to school, OJT training and seasoning time, a reasonable amount of time to become a fully-qualified ATCS and feel comfortable doing the work at all levels, I would estimate about ***5 years total.*** (Asterisks are mine)

He is far more informed about ATC than a receptionist.

I am sorry that you are ignorant, uninformed, and functionally illiterate but it is not my fault.
 
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Earl said:
Probationaries…pay attention.

Your lack of education is your enemy.

Read what a real controller says:

Dean Charron
Studied Aviation (Graduated 1973)Author has 166 answers and 338K answer views4y
Originally Answered: How long does it take to officially become an ATC?
I have been retired for 20 years, so, I don’t know how up-to-date my info is. Many colleges now offer ATC degrees and that is one route to getting the basics down — two to four years. You can join the military and let them train you, or, you can take all of the pre-screen exams and apply directly to the FAA, which is the most common. If you are hired by the FAA directly, you go straight to OKC for basic ATC training — I think that’s about six months or less. If you graduate from the FAA Academy (washout rate is really high), you then go to an ATC facility where you will undergo classroom and ETG (simulator) training. After that, you go to the “floor” for live traffic training. Depending on the facility and the talent of the controller, OJT can take one month or two years. Once you are certified, it takes most controllers a year to get really comfortable working alone. I worked twr/radar in somewhat busy and complicated airspace — from being hired, going to school, OJT training and seasoning time, a reasonable amount of time to become a fully-qualified ATCS and feel comfortable doing the work at all levels, I would estimate about ***5 years total.*** (Asterisks are mine)

He is far more informed about ATC than a receptionist.

I am sorry that you are ignorant, uninformed, and functionally illiterate but it is not my fault.
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One can work at the FAA as a probationary employee and still not be a controller.
 
PROBATIONARY positions were those eliminated ... Probationers who were deemed not acceptable selections...The hiring process can now be reviewed And improved... something that should have been done a long time ago ..
 
Jarod said:
One can work at the FAA as a probationary employee and still not be a controller.
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The problem is not with understaffing of office personnel.

It’s with ATC’s who are qualified to work at high capacity airports or ARTCC’s at high capacity en route centers.

Give it up, you are novice at this and it shows.
 
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