Ex-IRA commander Martin McGuinness WILL be a guest of the Queen at Windsor Castle

That was sort of the point, wasn't it? Opposition to the Good Friday Agreement?

And as you conveniently omitted, the bombing wasn't carried out by the Provisional IRA, but rather a splinter group that the Provos cracked down upon afterwards. Even the BBC attributed it to elements in opposition to the efforts of Gerry Adams and McGuinness.



Like there was doubt, that maybe it was the IRA that shot all the protesters in Derry?

Like there was doubt, that maybe it was the IRA that exploded the bomb in McGurk's Pub?

Like there was no doubt that the Guildford Four were guilty?

British doubts are virtual indictments.

Well apparently you have no problem being an apologist for terrorism, so that is duly noted. I don't even know if you have any Irish connection anyway but you certainly seem to have little connection to reality on the issue. As for Bloody Sunday there isn't much doubt that Martin McGuiness was there with a machine gun and that several of the protestors were found with nail bombs. The IRA needed some dead martyrs to help with recruitment and they cynically used the protestors as cannon fodder. Of course if the US military had been there like at My Lai they would have gone through all the suspects houses, burned them to the ground and bayoneted all the babies and children.
 
And as to the allegations that McGuinness knows something about Omagh, there is this:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-24071335



And why won't the Brits look into it? Because there's been a nagging accusation for years that they had advance warning from an undercover and completely dropped the ball.

They arrested somebody yesterday as I said before, only sixteen years afterwards. As for McGuinness he knows exactly who carried out the bombings to pretend otherwise is just rank stupidity. The IRA is still in Northern Ireland they are the ones that run the protection rackets, clubs, prostitution, illegal diesel and drugs.

I was in Belfast in 2005 when it came on the news that Robert McCartney had been attacked by some brave IRA volunteers thugs in Mcginnis's bar in central Belfast. The IRA sent in a cleaning squad to remove all forensic evidence and to intimidate everybody into silence. There were twelve of the bastards attacking one man!

http://www.belfastdaily.co.uk/2012/...st-this-morning-over-robert-mccartney-murder/
 
Well apparently you have no problem being an apologist for terrorism, so that is duly noted.

Well I can say the same thing about you and your indifference to British and Protestant paramilitary lies and atrocities.

Both Adams and McGuinness roundly condemned Omagh, and having been calling for investigations.

Yet you want to connect them to it.

And as for nail bombs in Derry... rather peculiar it was only the dead teenagers who were found carrying them....izzinit?

:rolleyes:

My Irish connection is irrelevant. My connection to what's right is what's in play here.

Leave Ireland to the Irish. Leave India to the Indians.... Go home and be done with it already.
 
Well I can say the same thing about you and your indifference to British and Protestant paramilitary lies and atrocities.

Both Adams and McGuinness roundly condemned Omagh, and having been calling for investigations.

Yet you want to connect them to it.

And as for nail bombs in Derry... rather peculiar it was only the dead teenagers who were found carrying them....izzinit?

:rolleyes:

My Irish connection is irrelevant. My connection to what's right is what's in play here.

Leave Ireland to the Irish. Leave India to the Indians.... Go home and be done with it already.

So you don't even have an Irish connection by the sound of it, I suspected as much. Of course they condemned it as they got the plum jobs on the Northern Ireland Executive and they didn't want some psychos to fuck that up for them. Do you really think, in somewhere as small as Northern Ireland, that they don't know?
 
So you don't even have an Irish connection by the sound of it, I suspected as much. Of course they condemned it as they got the plum jobs on the Northern Ireland Executive and they didn't want some psychos to fuck that up for them. Do you really think, in somewhere as small as Northern Ireland, that they don't know?

Maybe they did. I'm willing to listen to evidence, of which you have none other a vague measure of landmass.

What we do know is:

The Brits lied about Bloody Sunday.
They lied about McGurk's Pub.
They lied about the Guildford Four.

They're every bit the terrorists that you condemn the other side for. Do you think that the Protestant paramilitaries were simply better at smuggling in arms than the IRA?
 
I get that you boys feel a connection to "the Troubles" it was a dark period to be sure. But I'm wondering if there is some point where it gets left in the past and no longer a handy stick to beat one another up with ?

Ok I guess the answer is never. Thats the way it goes sometimes. Hatfields still hate the McCoys too. There is blood on both camp's hands from back when it was a political blood feud but just consider that they're primarity in a drug turf war and are just gangs. As with all drug related conflicts people are going to die. Have at each other and enjoy the ride.
 
It can all end with a united Irish Republic. When the archaic notion of "empire" can finally take a backseat to what is right and just.

And I frankly find it insulting that only white people would be told to "just shut up and forget it," in a manner that would never be used to descendants of slaves, the Holocaust, the Rape of Nanking, Armenian genocide, or any other deliberate atrocity, particularly one that is still on-going....

Or is the belief that white people can't be victimized somehow behind this? Or that only inter-racial or inter-ethnic factors being involved makes such concerns legitimate?

Political correctness, apparently, has very deep roots in our society.

Nah, the real point is that celtic guy is a douche with some pretty stupid ideas.
 
Nah, the real point is that celtic guy is a douche with some pretty stupid ideas.

Pretty much no new women will join because of you. The ones already here know you are just the disgusting village idiot, and they don't like you either, except for Scarla. Why can't you act like a decent human being?
 
Pretty much no new women will join because of you. The ones already here know you are just the disgusting village idiot, and they don't like you either, except for Scarla. Why can't you act like a decent human being?

Its easy to lay back and snark. Every board has one or two.
 
Ok I guess the answer is never. Thats the way it goes sometimes. Hatfields still hate the McCoys too. There is blood on both camp's hands from back when it was a political blood feud but just consider that they're primarity in a drug turf war and are just gangs. As with all drug related conflicts people are going to die. Have at each other and enjoy the ride.

The problem is, one side doesn't want to seriously discuss the issue of a united Irish Republic, claiming a moral superiority over the other side. However, the moral superiority the British like the flaunt around doesn't exist. When they weren't employing terroristic tactics themselves, they were assisting paramilitary terrorist groups (Protestant paramilitary groups who were also included on the USA's terrorism watchlist) accumulate weaponry to carry out Britain's dirty work.

The British are quite good at keeping the discussion focused on the IRA, and blaming the lack of a united Irish Republic on them. In the world of soundbite foreign policy on mass media, this has been largely successful.

However, when the discussion has to continue longer (as it has here), that accepted perception can not stand up to historical truths, and a moral equality emerges. Perhaps even worse on Britain's side, because their support and practice of terrorism carries a mandate of the people with it.

So when the discussion reaches moral equivalence, then what? Then Tom and company raise the specter of loyalist paramilitary violence as a reaction to a united Ireland, after condemning republican paramilitary violence as a reaction to occupation and partition for nearly a century. That simply means the alleged moral superiors will continue the terrorist violence if a united Irish Republic is founded.

And really, who is more likely to be living as a second-class citizen in their own country:

1) a Catholic in Derry?
or
2) a Protestant in Dublin?

The only threat a united Irish Republic poses to the loyalists is that their privileged status, and ability to subjugate the majority native peoples, will be gone. Just as they can no longer strut through the streets of Bombay in white linen suits and pith helmets and be called "Sahib" by the native peoples. The empire is gone. It's over. Give it up already.
 
The problem is, one side doesn't want to seriously discuss the issue of a united Irish Republic, claiming a moral superiority over the other side. However, the moral superiority the British like the flaunt around doesn't exist. When they weren't employing terroristic tactics themselves, they were assisting paramilitary terrorist groups (Protestant paramilitary groups who were also included on the USA's terrorism watchlist) accumulate weaponry to carry out Britain's dirty work.

The British are quite good at keeping the discussion focused on the IRA, and blaming the lack of a united Irish Republic on them. In the world of soundbite foreign policy on mass media, this has been largely successful.

However, when the discussion has to continue longer (as it has here), that accepted perception can not stand up to historical truths, and a moral equality emerges. Perhaps even worse on Britain's side, because their support and practice of terrorism carries a mandate of the people with it.

So when the discussion reaches moral equivalence, then what? Then Tom and company raise the specter of loyalist paramilitary violence as a reaction to a united Ireland, after condemning republican paramilitary violence as a reaction to occupation and partition for nearly a century. That simply means the alleged moral superiors will continue the terrorist violence if a united Irish Republic is founded.

And really, who is more likely to be living as a second-class citizen in their own country:

1) a Catholic in Derry?
or
2) a Protestant in Dublin?

The only threat a united Irish Republic poses to the loyalists is that their privileged status, and ability to subjugate the majority native peoples, will be gone. Just as they can no longer strut through the streets of Bombay in white linen suits and pith helmets and be called "Sahib" by the native peoples. The empire is gone. It's over. Give it up already.

It is patently obvious to me that you've never been to Derry or Stroke City as the locals call it. You just haven't got a clue, I have been to Northern Ireland many times over a decade or more and have seen first hand the remarkable changes that have occurred. Do yourself a favour and go there, go to the Titanic museum, Lough Neagh, the Giant's Causeway, the Antrim Coast and the Golden Mile in Belfast, where there are fantastic clubs, pubs and restaurants galore. Belfast is a truly international city now. I can tell you this until I am blue in the face but you obviously know better despite never going there!! I could also tell you most people don't want to join the South because that means being in the financial straightjacket of the Euro, they have their own power sharing executive which amazingly seems to work very well. As you say over there, they have discovered the meaning of the phrase "money talks and bullshit walks"
 
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It is patently obvious to me that you've never been to Derry or Stroke City as the locals call it. You just haven't got a clue, I have been to Northern Ireland many times over a decade or more and have seen first hand the remarkable changes that have occurred.

Would you please cut the bullshit and STFU about your collection of Irish postcards and refrigerator magnets?

I've been all over Ireland too and have relatives in Ulster. I'm just not stupid enough to pretend that my Slieve League salt and pepper shakers make me an indisputable authority on the subject. Like I said, my "Irish connections" are not relevant.

Hey, my mother's uncle even died in service with the IRA in around 1920 or so. Nothing heroic, he died of an infected tooth, but it did happen out in the field. Does that make me an authority? No.

What does make me an authority is my grasp of the facts. You, on the other hand, keep resorting to your postcards and refrigerator magnets. Which at this point, it's obvious, is all you have left.

Now if you wish to discuss the facts, I'm ready to resume the conversation at any time.
 
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Would you please cut the bullshit and STFU about your collection of Irish postcards and refrigerator magnets?

I've been all over Ireland too and have relatives in Ulster. I'm just not stupid enough to pretend that my Slieve League salt and pepper shakers make me an indisputable authority on the subject.

What does make me an authority is my grasp of the facts. You, on the other hand, keep resorting to your postcards and refrigerator magnets. Which at this point, it's obvious, is all you have left.

Now if you wish to discuss the facts, I'm ready to resume the conversation at any time.

I worked for T-Mobile for over 13 years and Northern Ireland was part of my territory. I haven't counted but I must have been there at least 20 times in 10 years sometimes for one or two days up to a couple of weeks at a time. I don't recall ever getting any fridge magnets though.
 
Do you know that Dublin and Prague are the two favourite cities for stag weekends from mainland UK? Belfast is fast catching them up though.

http://www.thestagcompany.com/dublin-stag-weekends

http://www.lastnightoffreedom.co.uk/stag-weekends/prague/

[url]http://www.thestagandhengroup.co.uk/stag-uk-belfast.html

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I think we are starting to get close to a topic tommy actually knows a lot about and I mean a lot!

It's probably his only real area of expertise!

Fetishes anyone?
 
Would you please cut the bullshit and STFU about your collection of Irish postcards and refrigerator magnets?

I've been all over Ireland too and have relatives in Ulster. I'm just not stupid enough to pretend that my Slieve League salt and pepper shakers make me an indisputable authority on the subject. Like I said, my "Irish connections" are not relevant.

Hey, my mother's uncle even died in service with the IRA in around 1920 or so. Nothing heroic, he died of an infected tooth, but it did happen out in the field. Does that make me an authority? No.

What does make me an authority is my grasp of the facts. You, on the other hand, keep resorting to your postcards and refrigerator magnets. Which at this point, it's obvious, is all you have left.

Now if you wish to discuss the facts, I'm ready to resume the conversation at any time.

hahahahahahahahahahaha

I love to watch this!

"my mother's uncle"

Really, do tell!

I know, anything with "Queens" in the title! Or even a single Queen!

Unbelievable!
 
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