Ex-IRA commander Martin McGuinness WILL be a guest of the Queen at Windsor Castle

Taft2016 said:
Nothing to say about Cyprus? Didn't think so. A rather uncomfortable analogy, izzinit?

So who would have started this civil war? The privileged minority who gets to oppress the majority in a carefully gerrymandered area?

Oh, and in case you're confused, I'm talking about Ireland now, not Cyprus :rolleyes:
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The future of Northern Ireland can only be decided by themselves not by the South or by ignorant Americans who have no real understanding of the issues. The Falklands had a referendum but the Argies weren't allowed to vote on that either. As for your Cyprus analogy, well that's just hilarious seeing that nothing happened after the Annan referendum considering that it was approved by 65% of Turkish Cypriots but rejected by 76% of Greek Cypriots.
 
Taft2016 said:
lol.... because the question of the referendum is whether or not Scotland should be independent. Not whether they should be booted out of the union, which is what would happen. :awesome:

Now the next logical question is; if all Scots are allowed to vote on their referendum, why not all Irish?
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Bullshit, Scotland wants to secede from the Union hence by your logic there ought to be a vote across all of the UK. AS you know, your own country fought a war over that very issue.
 
Threedee said:
I can't imagine why so many people would leave a place that had been brutalized and drug through the mud, either. Hard to imagine that such a place was stagnant economically until the 90s...
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Ireland had seventy years to fuck itself up which it did with amazing alacrity. It's funny that even when Churchill offered to hand over the Six Counties for use of the Western ports on Cobh and Bantry Bay during WW2 de Valera refused the offer. If they were so bloody important to the South then why didn't they take up the offer?
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Abraxas said:
The future of Northern Ireland can only be decided by themselves not by the South or by ignorant Americans who have no real understanding of the issues. The Falklands had a referendum but the Argies weren't allowed to vote on that either. As for your Cyprus analogy, well that's just hilarious seeing that nothing happened after the Annan referendum considering that it was approved by 65% of Turkish Cypriots but rejected by 76% of Greek Cypriots.
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God I hate the bigoted Greeks. Just become a third world country already, you worthless culture.
 
Taft2016 said:
I don't see how allowing everyone to vote is "against democracy." :rolleyes:

And yes, the Republic wants an Irish Republic.
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If you really want the truth, which I doubt, but you are going to get it anyway. Southern Ireland politicians pay lip service to a united Ireland, as to say otherwise would be political suicide, but they don't really want it. That's the reality and not the romanticised crap borne out of a Guinness fuelled night in a New York bar by Plastic Paddy Americans with a tenuous link to the Old Sod.
 
Abraxas said:
If you really want the truth, which I doubt, but you are going to get it anyway. Southern Ireland politicians pay lip service to a united Ireland, as to say otherwise would be political suicide, but they don't really want it. That's the reality and not the romanticised crap borne out of a Guinness fuelled night in a New York bar by Plastic Paddy Americans with a tenuous link to the Old Sod.
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Upvoted you for using the word "Plastic Paddy". Truth be told, I hate the Irish, and am ashamed of my Irish heritage. What a shitty country, what shitty people.
 
Abraxas said:
Southern Ireland politicians pay lip service to a united Ireland, as to say otherwise would be political suicide, but they don't really want it.
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And it would be "political suicide" because it's what the people want.

I'm not interested much in the attitudes of RINOs here in the USA, or in Ireland for that matter.
 
Taft2016 said:
And it would be "political suicide" because it's what the people want.

I'm not interested much in the attitudes of RINOs here in the USA, or in Ireland for that matter.
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It isn't what the people want - it is what a cranky political minority want. Only American nutters fancy a police state holding down a quarter of the population and enforcing a foreign religion, let's face it. Like so many good children you remember and believe the self-dramatizing ramblings of aged drunks as truth. Read some serious history instead!
 
iolo said:
Only American nutters fancy a police state holding down a quarter of the population and enforcing a foreign religion, let's face it.
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Really? So what sort of nutters have been fancying that sort of police state in the north all these years?
 
iolo said:
Those who benefitted from it. They were few, and they cost a lot. Don't take it on!
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I see. So it's a matter of keeping the boot on the same foot.

I doubt the unionists will be quite so brave without the paras doing their heavy lifting for them.
 
Taft2016 said:
I see. So it's a matter of keeping the boot on the same foot.

I doubt the unionists will be quite so brave without the paras doing their heavy lifting for them.
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You have demonstrated zero understanding of the political realities in the island of Ireland, you'd better keep to sorting out the world whilst you are several sheets to the wind drinking green beer on St. Paddy's Day.
 
Abraxas said:
You have demonstrated zero understanding of the political realities in the island of Ireland, you'd better keep to sorting out the world whilst you are several sheets to the wind drinking green beer on St. Paddy's Day.
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A RINO Tinker. How unusual.
 
Abraxas said:
You Americans seem to have a view of Ireland as some kind of bucolic paradise especially back in the earlier part of the 20th century. I blame films like the Quiet Man for that, the reality was actually far different. It was actually a primitive hellhole run by psychotic priests and corrupt parish pump politicians, why would anybody in their right mind want to be run by such a bunch of clowns? Northern Ireland was no paradise either but at least it had some industry and entrepreneurial spirit something that was brutally resisted by arseholes like de Valera who wanted to keep Eire as a backwards inwards looking country. It's funny that interment hasn't been mentioned as it was de Valera who first used it against the IRA back in the '50s.
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Really bad quality

 
Abraxas said:
If you really want the truth, which I doubt, but you are going to get it anyway. Southern Ireland politicians pay lip service to a united Ireland, as to say otherwise would be political suicide, but they don't really want it. That's the reality and not the romanticised crap borne out of a Guinness fuelled night in a New York bar by Plastic Paddy Americans with a tenuous link to the Old Sod.
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You're such a pompous windbag. Like you know jack shit (that's a NY expression, second only to go fuck yourself limey) about what the Irish in NY are doing.
 
The Irish are the greatest people in the history of the world. A free and united Ireland is the one true dream of all TRUE Irish people. I'm going to have a memorial to Eamon De Valera and Patrick Pearse carved of solid marble made, second only to my memorial of myself.
 
Capt. FABULOUS! said:
The Irish are the greatest people in the history of the world. A free and united Ireland is the one true dream of all TRUE Irish people. I'm going to have a memorial to Eamon De Valera and Patrick Pearse carved of solid marble made, second only to my memorial of myself.
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We should have all of the Trinity come up with quotes about their greatness and have them featured on the monument. We'll make one up for WM...
 
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