Every Hamas member is a dead man, Netanyahu says

[ExpressLane]

[FONT="]Palestinians

[/FONT]2 Million People in the space of New Jersey, Controlled by a Government they didn't and can't Elect and are held captive by Hamas and can't leave.

A recent survey says 58% of Palestinians like Hamas.

 

[Althea]

This child was Jewish and murdered by Islamic terrorists. Which side of this line do you desire to be upon?

Not this one

There is no 'side' here. This is a mess with plenty of blame to go around.

Hamas needs to be destroyed for the sake of all Palestinians. Palestinian children don't.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The hospitals have had their power cut, and they are packed to the gills with maimed children right now. It's pretty common to blame terrorists for using human shields, but Israel is leveling everything without a care for innocents.

Which is what Hamas did on a much smaller scale, so we have two terrorist organizations committing war crimes right now.
Not unlike what we did in Iraq for absolutely no reason.


https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...airstrikes-children-supplies-power-rcna119877

Hamas is the government of Gaza. The government of Gaza has had their power cut. There are consequences for starting a war.

Remember Pearl Harbor.

 

[Hawkeye10]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1712602855646097574

Point.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Not this one

[video=youtube;rJ16hCFmMqM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ16hCFmMqM[/vide]


There is no 'side' here. This is a mess with plenty of blame to go around.

Hamas needs to be destroyed for the sake of all Palestinians. Palestinian children don't.

Maybe the Palestinian people shouldn't elect terrorist governments.

Did all the people of Dresden deserve to be bombed? No, but there are consequences for a country starting a war.

What is your solution?

 

[Cypress]

Bibi had egg on his face, and he just launched into genocidal acts without a care.
Which is easy to understand (while not supporting it), as murdered babies and beheaded innocents that Hamas left behind is a horrible thing to see.

I see no reason why Israel couldn't clear out the remaining terrorists that were holed up in country, and plot a much more targeted military strike inside Gaza. For fuck's sake, Israel has total control over the region complete with video and electronic surveillance.

Bloodlust is an apt description. What Hamas did is simply unacceptable. What Israel is doing is just as bad, and getting worse.

Hamas are barbarians. I won't equate the Israeli democracy with Hamas

When it comes to slaughtering Hamas, I am on Team Israel.


I do agree however that bloodlust has a way of spiraling out of control and undermining one's goals in the long run.

We all felt bloodlust after 9/11, and that led to the 20 year long Afghan war.


Ukraine has studiously avoided bombing major Russian civilian centers, Russian schools, Russian hospitals, even though they have the technical capacity to do so. That takes calculation and willpower, because a lot of people may think they have a right to retaliate against Russian civilians. Ukraine's retaliatory strikes are on Russian military and strategic targets.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Hamas are barbarians. I won't equate the Israeli democracy with Hamas

When it comes to slaughtering Hamas, I am on Team Israel.

I do agree that bloodlust has a way of spiraling out of control and undermining one's goals in the long run.

We all felt bloodlust after 9/11, and that led to the 20 year long Afghan war.


Ukraine has studiously avoided bombing major Russian civilian centers, Russian schools, Russian hospitals, even though they have the technical capacity to do so. That takes calculation and willpower, because a lot of people may think they have a right to retaliate against Russian civilians. Ukraine's retaliatory strikes are on Russian military and strategic targets.

Not all, but I agree most Americans agreed "Never forget" and decided to fix the problem once and for all.

As for the "20 year long Afghan war", that was an attempt to avoid repeating the mistake made after the Soviet-Afghan war beautifully summed up at the end of the movie "Charlie Wilson's War". The problem is as Fareed Zakaria once pointed out, in so many words, a nation has to be ready for a democracy, it can't be given to them.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472062/quotes/?ref_=tt_trv_qu
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the endgame."

Despite the lament, and while I agree the civilized nations of the world could have done better, the fact remains Afghanistan wasn't ready for democracy...even though it was on its way before the Soviets invaded.

 

[Althea]

Maybe the Palestinian people shouldn't elect terrorist governments.

Did all the people of Dresden deserve to be bombed? No, but there are consequences for a country starting a war.

What is your solution?

If you happened to notice Martin and I getting signals crossed yesterday, you'll note that he meant to respond to the moron Express.

Hamas at the time might have been perceived to be better than the status quo. Not unlike morons who voted for trump here.

There hasn't been an election in Palestine in decades. We had our own consequences for electing trump. So every American is to blame for the Jan. 6 terrorist attack, the canceling of the Iran nuke agreement, and the attacks on our trading partners via boneheaded tariffs?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

If you happened to notice Martin and I getting signals crossed yesterday, you'll note that he meant to respond to the moron Express.

Hamas at the time might have been perceived to be better than the status quo. Not unlike morons who voted for trump here.

There hasn't been an election in Palestine in decades. We had our own consequences for electing trump. So every American is to blame for the Jan. 6 terrorist attack, the canceling of the Iran nuke agreement, and the attacks on our trading partners via boneheaded tariffs?

It's not like this began a few years ago. It's been the same shit since 1948.

 

[Althea]

Hamas are barbarians.

As I stated

I won't equate the Israeli democracy with Hamas

That's not hard to agree with. But the Israeli democracy has been starving Palestinian children for decades.

When it comes to slaughtering Hamas, I am on Team Israel.

Israel is slaughtering children in retaliation.

I do agree however that bloodlust has a way of spiraling out of control and undermining one's goals in the long run.

But you seem to give 'the Israeli democracy' a pass

We all felt bloodlust after 9/11, and that led to the 20 year long Afghan war.

One could argue for the Afg. war, as we initially went after Bin Laden. We got bogged down because we had absolutely no plan.

The bloodlust of our govt. perpetrated the heinous war crimes in Iraq. But Cheney and Bibi are virtually identical in their world view.

Ukraine has studiously avoided bombing major Russian civilian centers, Russian schools, Russian hospitals, even though they have the technical capacity to do so. That takes calculation and willpower, because a lot of people may think they have a right to retaliate against Russian civilians. Ukraine's retaliatory strikes are on Russian military and strategic targets.

I'm glad you brought that up, because I thought of you during the polarized threads this week.

On the one hand, you have been consistent in your position re. Ukraine. Yet you take the opposite position when it comes to Israel's response to Hamas?

Unless I'm just not getting the gist of your post?

 

[Cypress]

Not all, but I agree most Americans agreed "Never forget" and decided to fix the problem once and for all.

As for the "20 year long Afghan war", that was an attempt to avoid repeating the mistake made after the Soviet-Afghan war beautifully summed up at the end of the movie "Charlie Wilson's War". The problem is as Fareed Zakaria once pointed out, in so many words, a nation has to be ready for a democracy, it can't be given to them.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472062/quotes/?ref_=tt_trv_qu
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the endgame."

Despite the lament, and while I agree the civilized nations of the world could have done better, the fact remains Afghanistan wasn't ready for democracy...even though it was on its way before the Soviets invaded.

Looking back in hindsight, the smart move would have been covert ops, and surgical missle strikes to disrupt Al Qaeda in Afghanistan.


The bloodlust after 9/11 meant that the majority of Americans wanted a war, and big explosions.

 

[Althea]

It's not like this began a few years ago. It's been the same shit since 1948.

Agree. And it will never be resolved.

On the one hand, you have assholes who keep lobbing bombs at Israel. They refuse to recognize Israel's existence.

On the other hand, you have Israel who made tepid offers over the years, but regime change brings different agendas. Netanyahu is a terrorist who has no interest in ending this problem.

Israel could make major concessions in many areas. They can stop starving Palestinians in retaliation for terrorist attacks. They could allow Palestine access to their natural resources. They can certainly stop expanding settlements.

But Palestinian terrorists will continue to act like assholes no matter what Israel does. Much to the dismay of the majority in the nation.

Palestine baited Israel into this, and it worked. This is going to be a war that drags many nations in.

We can speculate as to whether Hamas would stop acting like assholes if Israel simply allowed Palestine to flourish? I doubt it, just as I doubt that Netanyahu will ever stop starving children.

 

[Althea]

Despite the lament, and while I agree the civilized nations of the world could have done better, the fact remains Afghanistan wasn't ready for democracy...even though it was on its way before the Soviets invaded.

We can't blame civilized societies for thinking that our way was the best for everyone.

But we have now learned about tribalism and that democracy simply cannot work in countries with rival factions that have hated each other for centuries.

We could sooner get the Hell's Angels and the Pagans to unify in a common cause.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Looking back in hindsight, the smart move would have been covert ops, and surgical missle strikes to disrupt Al Qaeda in Afghanistan.


The bloodlust after 9/11 meant that the majority of Americans wanted a war, and big explosions.

Like Hamas, al-Qaeda was a state-supported terrorist group. Clinton tried cruise missile strikes on them. It didn't slow them down.

Where the US went wrong was in 2003 when we left the job of destroying them half-finished and diverted our attention to Iraq. The nation building thing is more appropriate for an international group.

A side point is that the US diversion into Iraq, meaning starting a war with them, cost a lot of trust and support around the world. If we'd stayed and finished the job with the help of the civilized world, my guess is things would have been better for everyone.

FWIW, I think the problems in Iraq could have been solved by bombing any of Saddam's "palaces" where he didn't allow inspectors.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Agree. And it will never be resolved.

On the one hand, you have assholes who keep lobbing bombs at Israel. They refuse to recognize Israel's existence.

On the other hand, you have Israel who made tepid offers over the years, but regime change brings different agendas. Netanyahu is a terrorist who has no interest in ending this problem.

Israel could make major concessions in many areas. They can stop starving Palestinians in retaliation for terrorist attacks. They could allow Palestine access to their natural resources. They can certainly stop expanding settlements.

But Palestinian terrorists will continue to act like assholes no matter what Israel does. Much to the dismay of the majority in the nation.

Palestine baited Israel into this, and it worked. This is going to be a war that drags many nations in.

We can speculate as to whether Hamas would stop acting like assholes if Israel simply allowed Palestine to flourish? I doubt it, just as I doubt that Netanyahu will ever stop starving children.

The "Troubles" in Ireland lasted about a 100 years but were eventually resolved. As the Arab nations of the ME modernize, I think things will change for the better.

Hamas isn't doing this alone. The cost of their missiles run into the millions. Cut their funding and their efforts will diminish.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

We can't blame civilized societies for thinking that our way was the best for everyone.

But we have now learned about tribalism and that democracy simply cannot work in countries with rival factions that have hated each other for centuries.

We could sooner get the Hell's Angels and the Pagans to unify in a common cause.

I have faith in human nature. Find a common cause and they'd unify.

 

[Althea]

The "Troubles" in Ireland lasted about a 100 years but were eventually resolved. As the Arab nations of the ME modernize, I think things will change for the better.

Hamas isn't doing this alone. The cost of their missiles run into the millions. Cut their funding and their efforts will diminish.

We've made billionaires out of many in the Mid East. They're enjoying the spoils of capitalism.

Will Iran's fundamentalist govt. ever allow the nation to modernize? Should they hold a grudge against the U.S for the Shah after all these years?

The region views the U.S as the nation that funnels billions to Israel to be used for weaponry. It's hard to criticize Iran for doing the same.

 

[Gondwanaland]

Good. Dead is better than prisoners since the terrorists will just capture innocent people and use them as pawns to trade for their terrorists. Better to just shoot them when they resist and let them bleed out. That said, as President Biden stated, Israel must abide by the rules of war.

Notice too that the Israelis have put aside their political differences to meet this crisis. Something many JPP members are unwilling to do.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67082351
Every Hamas member is a dead man, Netanyahu says
Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said every Hamas member was "a dead man" after the first meeting of his country's emergency government.

Alongside him, opposition figure Benny Gantz said it was "a time for war".

But US President Joe Biden said he had spoken to Mr Netanyahu and made it clear that Israel must "operate by the rules of war".

The death toll in Israel has reached 1,200. More than 1,100 people have been killed by Israeli air strikes on Gaza.

Mr Biden said he understood the anger and frustration of the Israeli people but urged Israel to adhere to the principles of the Geneva conventions. He also warned Iran - which has welcomed the Hamas attack - to "be careful".

Earlier on Wednesday Mr Netanyahu and Mr Gantz agreed to put aside a bitter political rivalry that had escalated into widespread protests.

Mr Gantz told Israeli citizens that the newly-formed government was "united" and ready to "wipe this thing called Hamas off the face of the Earth"....

...The emergency government will give broader national consensus to military action. It also brings to the war cabinet two voices who are experts in military strategy. Both Mr Gantz and also Gadi Eisenkot, who joins as an observer, are former Israeli military chiefs of staff.

The announcement of the new cabinet came in the wake of savage attacks by Hamas militants from the Gaza Strip.

Here's hoping someone pulls a JWB on this corrupt dictator's ass

 

[Althea]

I have faith in human nature. Find a common cause and they'd unify.

That's the crux of the problem. Hamas and other terrorist organizations can live in caves and be happy.

There is no common ground with Israel, who could certainly share some of the riches we've created for them.

The only answer is to rid Palestine of terrorists. Can that be done?

 

[Gondwanaland]

Unlike American political extremists, the Israelis have put aside their differences and banded to together to meet this crisis.

Afterwards, I suspect Bibi will be in trouble since the Hamas massacres of innocent Israelis happened on his watch.

Happened on his watch? More like he let them happen so he could do this shit. Egypt warned him and Israel several times what was coming.