Evangelicals fume as GOP surrenders in gay marriage wars

Cypress said:
When I started on this forum this was one of the most prominent and high-profile debate topics; liberals holding that same-sex marriage should be legal, conservatives largely claiming that it was immoral or would portend the doom of traditional marriages.
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Now that state legislatures across the nation will be overturning the will of Democrat voters, GOP doesn't need the looney Evangelicals.
 
Cypress said:
If I believe something is genuinely wrong I do not throw in the towel and surrender.

It sounds like GOP leadership always just considered gay marriage a phony culture war issue to motivate the rubes, much like wars on Christmas, critical race theory, and the imminent threat of sharia law
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Correct
 
gfm7175 said:
Same sex relations are not marriages. Marriage is between a man and a woman. Between a man and a woman, procreation (in principle) is possible. That possibility is nonexistent in gay relationships, thus gay "marriage" is meaningless. Attempting to sexualize man-man/woman-woman relations is a perversion of marriage, as those types of relations can only ever be platonic in their end result (as procreation is impossible).
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You are obviously a virgin and possibly on the Incel-ish side of celibacy, so I am not looking to you for marriage and relationship advice.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
You're trying to equate three different things that are not at all alike. Polygamy and incestuous marriage are still illegal in all 50 states, and have zero to do with SSM. BTW, you forgot to throw in bestiality. :laugh:
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Because he has no problem with it. One must wonder why?
 
Phantasmal said:
I feel it isn’t, but I use their lingo. I probably shouldn’t.
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Yeah. They always claim that it's a choice. How can transgender children "choose" at such young age?

It's the same way with gay and lesbian children. It just doesn't make any sense.

I think it's okay to use their lingo depending on what is being discussed.

If it's parents and their children's choice, why the hell should they care?

And if it's actually a choice, they'd outgrow it within 1 or 2 weeks, if not more, just like how they outgrow their identities as a Superman or a Batman.
 
I'll admit my views have changed. 15-20 years ago I would have said I supported civil unions. I thought gay couples should have all the rights married couples did but it shouldn't be called marriage. Now I don't care if they get married.

But this claim that all liberals supported gay marriage and all conservatives didn't is bullsh*t. The Clintons passed DOMA. There were Democrats who blamed John Kerry's loss to Bush on Gavin Newsom who allowed gay couples in San Francisco to get married that year. Obama ran in 2008 against gay marriage. Blue California passed Prop 8 in 2008 banning gay marriage. They interviewed Democrats in South Carolina, the one's who saved Biden's campaign, about voting for someone like Pete Buttigieg and many said they wouldn't. So spare us the holier than thou rhetoric.

The reality is the country has evolved on this issue. Boomers grew up in a very different world than young people today when it comes to gay issues. Yes, there will still be people who do not support gay marriage. But we will see fewer and fewer people running for national office going forward against gay marriage.
 
cawacko said:
I'll admit my views have changed. 15-20 years ago I would have said I supported civil unions. I thought gay couples should have all the rights married couples did but it shouldn't be called marriage. Now I don't care if they get married.

But this claim that all liberals supported gay marriage and all conservatives didn't is bullsh*t. The Clintons passed DOMA. There were Democrats who blamed John Kerry's loss to Bush on Gavin Newsom who allowed gay couples in San Francisco to get married that year. Obama ran in 2008 against gay marriage. Blue California passed Prop 8 in 2008 banning gay marriage. They interviewed Democrats in South Carolina, the one's who saved Biden's campaign, about voting for someone like Pete Buttigieg and many said they wouldn't. So spare us the holier than thou rhetoric.

The reality is the country has evolved on this issue. Boomers grew up in a very different world than young people today when it comes to gay issues. Yes, there will still be people who do not support gay marriage. But we will see fewer and fewer people running for national office going forward against gay marriage.
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I don't think anybody ever claimed that. If they did, more than likely it's a hyperbole to make a point.

Besides he said GOP, not all conservatives.
 
Diesel said:
The commercial industry was the first segment to implement LGBTQ outreach. Typically well educated people with good paying jobs and few or no children. When the cruise lines and luxury car dealers and clothing labels discovered that people with a lot of disposable income are good customers, they started specifically advertising to the community. Republicans are notoriously stupid and painfully slow to discard their discrimination, but they followed the money, like they always do. They want donations but still call us faggots behind our backs (and sometimes even to our faces). LGBTQ people should not support anything about the current Republican party. It makes as much sense to be an LGBTQ Republican as it does to be a Black Republican.
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Ra-men. I expect that as long as the QOP continues to bow and scrape to the Evangelicals, they'll find it very, very hard to attract voters from the LGBTQ and allies contingent. We have long memories.
 
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