Evangelical Liberal Churches

Jarod said:
I have attended a lot of liberal churches, how are you defining evangelical?
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I find it interesting that Carter, who's a Southern Baptist, is being given as an example of liberal Christian evangelism........apparent their status within the sphere of Christianity has been shifting......
 
Jarod said:
They used to be prohibited in the Officers Corp, if you had a tat, you were an enlisted man.
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Wasn't the first ban instituted because sailors were getting tats in foreign ports where tatooing was "unsafe" because of the lack of medical sterilization regulations on tat parlors?
 
A couple of years ago I attended my first big conservative campus type church in Texas. There were probably three thousand people at the service. It was the first time I'd seen someone 'lift his name up' by holding their hands in the air during prayer. The service was during a Cowboy's game and I thought everyone was secretly listening to radios and the Cowboys had just scored or something. I'd just never seen it before.

Maybe I wrongly associate that act with more right leaning people but they do this at my small church now.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
I find it interesting that Carter, who's a Southern Baptist, is being given as an example of liberal Christian evangelism........apparent their status within the sphere of Christianity has been shifting......
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President Carter left the Congregation of Southern Baptists. Due to their treatment of women.
 
cawacko said:
A couple of years ago I attended my first big conservative campus type church in Texas. There were probably three thousand people at the service. It was the first time I'd seen someone 'lift his name up' by holding their hands in the air during prayer. The service was during a Cowboy's game and I thought everyone was secretly listening to radios and the Cowboys had just scored or something. I'd just never seen it before.

Maybe I wrongly associate that act with more right leaning people but they do this at my small church now.
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Some do that at the Unity Church I attended for a while.
 
Bigdog said:
I had always heard that the charge for a tat was "destruction of gov't property" ... i.e. G.I. Joe.
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I know my father, who was an army officer, told me that men he served with were prosecuted for getting tat's but that enlisted men were free to have them. He said that in the 1950's you could not get a commission if a tat was discovered during your physical.
 
Jarod said:
I know my father, who was an army officer, told me that men he served with were prosecuted for getting tat's but that enlisted men were free to have them. He said that in the 1950's you could not get a commission if a tat was discovered during your physical.
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I believe it.

I think they just gave up on prosecuting enlisted because there were just too many violations, costing them too many good men, so they looked the other way.
 
cawacko said:
Anyone here attend one? I think that's the best definition of my new church in SF. Pastor is a 30 year millenial with a tattoo sleeve on one arm.

Jimmy Carter may be one of the more famous evangelical liberals in the country which is neither here nor there he just came to mind. Just curious if any others attend a similar church
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Been to one or two conservative evangelical churches here in WV lol.

There's actually a misperception about a lot of them. I think a lot of people would be surprised how many people attend them that have some pretty liberal attitudes---by evangelical standards, anyway.
 
iewitness said:
it is not what is on the outside that makes unclean. It is what is on the inside. people who call themselves "liberal christians" are those that are as whited sepulchres. in their heart/ soul is rebellion toward The Lord Jesus Christ. they disagree with the testimonies and judgements of The Lord [ and teach others to do so ]and replace it with outward shows of morality, publicly proclaimed "good works" and "progressive" ideaology. a "liberal Christian"" is basically an apostate which has departed from faith in The Lord Jesus Christ and goes after other gods/[devils]. the most prominent examples are those who mingle false eastern mysticism religions and those who proclaim "allah" Lucifer to be the same as or equal to The true and living God whose name is Jesus. IMO. it is good. everything is right on schedule.
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The devil made me do it! lol

 
Bigdog said:
I believe it.

I think they just gave up on prosecuting enlisted because there were just too many violations, costing them too many good men, so they looked the other way.
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I think I remember that they did away with the rule during the Iraq War because enlistment numbers were very low.
 
leaningright said:
There are liberals among evangelical congregations for sure. Funny you mention tattoos ...

We have lots of people in our congregation with tattoos but I don't have any. We are very fundamental ... far from liberal. Had one guy come in with both arms tattooed and he was self conscious about it. I assured him he didn't have to wear a long sleeve shirt and that his leather vest was ok to wear. I had to convince him that nobody cared what he wore. He came regularly for a while and I started a bible study with him, baptized him after a few months. Baptized his future wife later then performed their wedding for them. They moved to Georgia to help take care of her folks. I still keep in contact. It's funny the stigma attached to tattoos.
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Considering that Tats are a from of paganism. Its nothing that can't be repented as it was often done in total ignorance. Its true that many people ignore the history of such skin art, but indeed its roots are firmly grounded in ritualistic paganism.

Let's see someone with a TAT of the NAZI SWASTIKA....show up at a LEFT WIN FUNCTION. I remember the show....Roseanne, they were going to have a show that introduced Jesco White, a functioning illiterate drug head from the hills. When the shows star and her hubby, Tom Arnold,executive producers, of the Jewish faith,....saw that White had a Swastika tat....GAME OVER, the sudden end to a celebrity status that never was for Jesco White....now he over voices for video game characters such Grand Theft auto etc.,
 
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cawacko said:
Anyone here attend one? I think that's the best definition of my new church in SF. Pastor is a 30 year millenial with a tattoo sleeve on one arm.

Jimmy Carter may be one of the more famous evangelical liberals in the country which is neither here nor there he just came to mind. Just curious if any others attend a similar church
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My best personal advice is to find a church that teaches the Word, preaching the pure Gospel message in an expository way. A church that is not interested in grand displays and preying on peoples' feelings and emotions. Watch out! This is historically where manipulation is present. I've been through all that many years ago. Millions have succumbed to wolves in sheep's clothing who will guilt you out of your last dime. The more pomp and circumstance you observe in a church, the least spiritually oriented they are is a good rule of thumb.
1Tim 4: 1,2 - "God’s Spirit specifically tells us that in latter days there will be men who abandon the true faith and allow themselves to be spiritually seduced by teachings of the devil, teachings given by men who are lying hypocrites, whose consciences are as dead as seared flesh."

Out of one side of their mouths they tell you of your freedom in Christ, living under grace by faith. Then out of the other side of their mouths put you back under the Law, commanding you to pay tithes or risk damnation to hell for "robbing God.". They toss around Mal 3:8 like a softball. These wolves never tell you who God is speaking to there. He is speaking to the Levites who were taking the best of the livestock and grain offerings for themselves to sell for profit. God was not speaking to the people.

Truth is tithes were taxes in the Old Testament. There were 3 types of tithes that the Jews paid to cover the Temple upkeep & activities, food and lodging to those who travelled from afar to Jerusalem for the festivals and for the poorest of the poor, sick & lame who could not work, widows and orphans. So, they actually paid 30% every year, not 10%. The money was not used for the Priest to live in opulence. To top it off, the people were commanded by God to have a huge "party" with all the food in the storehouse at the end of the year...telling them to consume it ALL. It was a way for the people of God to come together and celebrate the goodness of God and the blessings he had bestowed on them.

There is only one place in the entire New Testament where the tithe is mentioned...Mat 23:23. Jesus told scribes and Pharisees it was right for them to tithe (after all they were Jews living under the Law). Everywhere else giving is done by free will.
Galatians 6:7 - A man reaps what he sows.
Luke 6:38 - Give, and it will be given to you...With the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
2Cor 9:7 - Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

Thirty years ago I left a particular church. They were big time into tithing according to Jewish Law. I asked the pastor, "Where in the New Testament does Jesus Christ command believers to pay tithes? All those times He was speaking to thousands of believers, where did he put emphasis on tithing?" He said, "Nowhere."

I was out the door and never looked back.
 
My personal opinion about tattoos is that they are a desecration of one of Gods Greatest Creations, but thats just me. I am a live and let live guy, no judgement for those with tats, its just why I would never have one.
 
Jarod said:
My personal opinion about tattoos is that they are a desecration of one of Gods Greatest Creations, but thats just me. I am a live and let live guy, no judgement for those with tats, its just why I would never have one.
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I also think tattoos are incredibly gay.
 
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