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goat said:
The US navy won't allow that. Think of all the money we waste on global dominance.
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How are they going to stop it?
China's economy has been growing MUCH faster than Americas for over 40 years.
The former have already passed the latter in PPP.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?locations=CN-US&name_desc=false
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2013/03/china-passes-us-in-ppp-gdp-per-penn.html

Plus, China is already, far outbuilding America in terms of major, navel vessels.

Look at destroyers as an example?
In the last 7 years?
America has commissioned nine, 9,500 ton Arleigh Burke destroyers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arleigh_Burke-class_destroyer
Whereas China has commissioned thirty-one(!) destroyers (twenty-four 7,500 ton Luyang III class and seven of the huge, 13,000 ton Renhai class)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ships_of_the_People's_Liberation_Army_Navy


Unless we DRASTICALLY turn the economy around?
And/or China's falters?
China will eventually pass America in military power.

Whether you or I like it or not.
 
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McRocket said:
China will eventually pass America in military power.

This is a fact based on hard data.
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Suppose that it does ? Life hasn't ceased in all the countries whose military is dwarfed by others. There has never been any permanent ' top dog ' throughout history.
The United Nations was created to end militarism in favor of intelligence.
 
McRocket said:
How are they going to stop it?
China's economy has been growing MUCH faster than Americas for over 40 years.
The former have already passed the latter in PPP.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?locations=CN-US&name_desc=false
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2013/03/china-passes-us-in-ppp-gdp-per-penn.html

Plus, China is already, far outbuilding America in terms of major, navel vessels.

Unless we drastically turn the economy around?
And/or China's falters?
China will eventually pass America in military power.

This is a fact based on hard data.
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I'm not ready to believe China is seeking global dominance. The upcoming heat waves will destroy most of China's agriculture.
 
moon said:
Suppose that it does ? Life hasn't ceased in all the countries whose military is dwarfed by others. There has never been any permanent ' top dog ' throughout history.
The United Nations was created to end militarism in favor of intelligence.
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1) China is a communist dictatorship.
With it's leader - Xi - recently made leader for life (in essence).
And this regime has a disgusting history of genocide with the Uyghurs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghurs#Genocide_of_Uyghurs_in_Xinjiang

Maybe you are fine with such a nation 'ruling' the world.
I am not.


2) The UN?
Thanks to the vetoes - the UN Security Council is completely impotent at stopping ANY of it's five, permanent members from doing ANYTHING they want to do.
The atomic bomb has done - imo - 1,000 times more than the UN at stopping, major wars.

You disagree?
So be it.

Good day.
 
goat said:
I'm not ready to believe China is seeking global dominance. The upcoming heat waves will destroy most of China's agriculture.
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I agree that I do not think China is seeking global military dominance.
They are a xenophobic and inward-looking society.

They have - to my knowledge - never attacked outside of their historic borders.

Plus, unlike America, they are smart enough to know that you build an empire with economics.
Not a powerful military.

My worry is that - in a couple of generations - they might become so powerful that their ambitions might grow.
 
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McRocket said:
I agree that I do not think China is seeking global dominance.
They are a xenophobic and inward-looking society.

They have - to my knowledge - never attacked outside of their historic borders.

Plus, unlike America, they are smart enough to know that you build an empire with economics.
Not a powerful military.

My worry is that - in a couple of generations - they might become so powerful that their ambitions might grow.
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are you a fucking idiot?

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Here's how China is going green | World Economic Forum
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Funding a greener future. China needs an estimated additional RMB 40.3 trillion ($6.4 trillion) to RMB 123.4 trillion ($19.4 trillion) to finance the transition to a greener economy. It has started collecting an environment tax to help fund its environmental policies, and is also trying to attract more green investment.
Green New Deal would fuel 'massive increase' in mining for batteries ...
https://www.washingtontimes.com › news › 2020 › apr › 16 › green-new-deal-would-fuel-massive-increase-mining-
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In a deal that topped metals and mining transactions for the week ended Oct. 8, Chinese mining company Zijin Mining Group Co. Ltd. announced its entrance into lithium production with the proposed acquisition of Toronto-based Neo Lithium Corp. Zijin will take over Neo Lithium for C$6.50 per share, or about US$765.0 million, with the transaction ...
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China possesses the largest stockpile of rare earth minerals used in electric car batteries in the world. In 2018, Beijing provided some 80 percent of the United States's rare earth imports.
Report: China Destroying Myanmar with Rare Earth Mining for 'Green' Energy
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Aug 10, 2022During the closure, 3,000 to 4,000 tons of rare earth ore mined in Myanmar were found stranded at the border. When the closure was lifted, a manager of a Chinese state-owned mining company based in Guangzhou on Dec 2 said all the ore was trucked to Jiangxi province, China's Global Times reported. The U.S. Geological Survey estimated that ...
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damn you traitor libertarians are straight up chinese disinfo agents now.

ninjas jumping out of the amazon van in your neighborhood will wake you up.
 
AssHatZombie said:
are you a fucking idiot?

How China Dominates Global Battery Supply Chain - VOA
https://www.voanews.com › a › silicon-valley-technology_how-china-dominates-global-battery-supply-chain › 6195257.html
China is among the five top countries with the most lithium resources, according to the 2020 USGS, but it has been buying stakes in mining operations in Australia and South America where most of ...
China Dominates the Global Lithium Battery Market - IER
https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org › renewable › china-dominates-the-global-lithium-battery-market
In 2019, Chinese chemical companies accounted for 80 percent of the world's total output of raw materials for advanced batteries. China controls the processing of pretty much all the critical minerals-rare earth, lithium, cobalt, and graphite. Of the 136 lithium-ion battery plants in the pipeline to 2029, 101 are based in China.
Here's how China is going green | World Economic Forum
https://www.weforum.org › agenda › 2018 › 04 › china-is-going-green-here-s-how
Funding a greener future. China needs an estimated additional RMB 40.3 trillion ($6.4 trillion) to RMB 123.4 trillion ($19.4 trillion) to finance the transition to a greener economy. It has started collecting an environment tax to help fund its environmental policies, and is also trying to attract more green investment.
Green New Deal would fuel 'massive increase' in mining for batteries ...
https://www.washingtontimes.com › news › 2020 › apr › 16 › green-new-deal-would-fuel-massive-increase-mining-
Apr 16, 2020Those minerals include lithium, cobalt, copper, iron and aluminum. More than 70% of rare-earth elements are now mined by Chinese-controlled companies or in China, which has dismal records on ...
China mining, battery companies sweep up lithium supplies in ...
https://www.spglobal.com › marketintelligence › en › news-insights › latest-news-headlines › china-mining-battery-companies-sweep-up-lithium-supplies-in-acquisition-blitz-67205411
In a deal that topped metals and mining transactions for the week ended Oct. 8, Chinese mining company Zijin Mining Group Co. Ltd. announced its entrance into lithium production with the proposed acquisition of Toronto-based Neo Lithium Corp. Zijin will take over Neo Lithium for C$6.50 per share, or about US$765.0 million, with the transaction ...
Dem Transport Bill Boosts China's Green Energy Sector
https://freebeacon.com › politics › dem-transport-bill-boosts-chinas-green-energy-sector
China possesses the largest stockpile of rare earth minerals used in electric car batteries in the world. In 2018, Beijing provided some 80 percent of the United States's rare earth imports.
Report: China Destroying Myanmar with Rare Earth Mining for 'Green' Energy
https://www.breitbart.com › environment › 2022 › 08 › 10 › report-china-destroying-myanmar-with-rare-earth-mining-for-green-energy
Aug 10, 2022During the closure, 3,000 to 4,000 tons of rare earth ore mined in Myanmar were found stranded at the border. When the closure was lifted, a manager of a Chinese state-owned mining company based in Guangzhou on Dec 2 said all the ore was trucked to Jiangxi province, China's Global Times reported. The U.S. Geological Survey estimated that ...
Green Energy's Dirty Secret: Its Hunger for African Resources
https://foreignpolicy.com › 2022 › 06 › 30 › africa-congo-drc-ev-electric-vehicles-batteries-green-energy-minerals-metals-mining-resources-colonialism-human-rights-development-china
What the parliamentarians didn't mention: The world cannot mine and refine the vast amounts of minerals that go into batteries—lithium, nickel, cobalt, manganese, palladium, and others—at ...
The World Can't Wean Itself Off Chinese Lithium | WIRED
https://www.wired.com › story › china-lithium-mining-production
That's made the rest of the world nervous, and the United States and Europe are now scrambling to wean themselves off Chinese lithium before it's too late. An electric car battery has between ...
How China is locking up critical resources in the US's own backyard
https://www.mining.com › web › china-locking-critical-resources-uss-backyard
According to Dealogic Chinese M&A of Brazilian companies totalled $10.8 billion in 2017 and $11.9 billion in 2016. Chinese banks and investment groups have committed $15 billion of a $20-billion ...
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So...you are really SO STUPID that you read my post?
And the post I was replying to?
And took from them, that I meant macroeconomic dominance?
And NOT, military dominance.
And then you post that War And Peace, gobbledegook?

:rolleyes:

Shit...you seriously seem to be getting stupider and more foolish...every week.


Fine...so imbeciles like you do not get confused...I made the post obvious...EVEN FOR YOU!!!
 
AssHatZombie said:
damn you traitor libertarians are straight up chinese disinfo agents now.

ninjas jumping out of the amazon van in your neighborhood will wake you up.
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boy-rolling-eyes.jpg


So...Dr. Ron Paul is a traitor, is he?

Yes or no?
 
McRocket said:
So...you are really SO STUPID that you read my post?
And the post I was replying to?
And took from that that I meant economic dominance?
And then you post that War And Peace, gobbledegook?

Shit...you continue to show just how STUPID and CHILDISH you seem.


Fine...so imbeciles like you do not get confused...I made the post obvious...EVEN FOR YOU!!!
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does world dominance not INCLUDE economic dominance?

are you making some bullshit distinction with no real difference?

yes. yes you are.

you're busted!
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AssHatZombie said:
does world dominance not INCLUDE economic dominance?

are you making some bullshit distinction with no real difference?

yes. yes you are.

you're busted!
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YOU IMBECILE!!!
Can you not read properly?

I said that China wanted macroeconomic dominance.
But not military dominance (at this time).

DUH!!!


Do you understand now?

Or do you need me to put it even simpler.

:rolleyes:
 
McRocket said:
YOU IMBECILE!!!
Can you not read properly?

I said that China wanted macroeconomic dominance.
But not military dominance (at this time).

DUH!!!


Do you understand now?

Or do you need me to put it even simpler.

:rolleyes:
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it's the same.

economic dominance just means the militaries of all central banker controlled nations will do their enforcement.

:truestory:
 
AssHatZombie said:
he is if he denied china is seeking world dominance.
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Don't try and spin out of it.
Answer the question you loser.

You typed: 'damn you traitor libertarians are straight up chinese disinfo agents now'.

You said (in essence) ALL libertarians are traitors.
Ron Paul is a libertarian.

I believe he thinks - as I do - that China wants macroeconomic but not (at this time) military dominance.

Now answer the fucking question - or stop wasting my time (you troll loser)?

Is Dr. Ron Paul a traitor (to you)?

Yes or no?
 
McRocket said:
Don't try and spin out of it.
Answer the question you loser.

You typed: 'damn you traitor libertarians are straight up chinese disinfo agents now'.

You said (in essence) ALL libertarians are traitors.
Ron Paul is a libertarian.

I believe he thinks - as I do - that China wants macroeconomic but not (at this time) military dominance.

Now answer the fucking question - or stop wasting my time (you troll loser)?

Is Dr. Ron Paul a traitor (to you)?

Yes or no?
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I need to know if he denied china is seeking world dominance.
 
we still need to know if world dominance includes economic dominance.

i hereby open the discussion to lurkers wishing to chime in...
 
McRocket said:
1) China is a communist dictatorship.
With it's leader - Xi - recently made leader for life (in essence).
And this regime has a disgusting history of genocide with the Uyghurs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghurs#Genocide_of_Uyghurs_in_Xinjiang

Maybe you are fine with such a nation 'ruling' the world.
I am not.


2) The UN?
Thanks to the vetoes - the UN Security Council is completely impotent at stopping ANY of it's five, permanent members from doing ANYTHING they want to do.
The atomic bomb has done - imo - 1,000 times more than the UN at stopping, major wars.

You disagree?
So be it.

Good day.
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The US is a capitalist dictatorship. Just as the majority of the Chinese accept 21st c communism so Americans accept capitalism and continually vote for millionaires/billionaires under a system which doesn't allow them any other choice.
What is your objection to communism anyway ?

The bomb and the UN veto are the same thing.
 
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