Europe to declare Russia a Terrorist State

dukkha said:
Europe can vote what they want to.
I'll be interested if they start taking the lead on funding the Ukraine Money Pit
other then that why should i care what Europe does?
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Following the European Council meeting of 20-21 October 2022, the Commission has today proposed an unprecedented support package for Ukraine of up to €18 billion for 2023. This will come in the form of highly concessional loans, disbursed in regular instalments as of 2023.

This stable, regular and predictable financial assistance – averaging €1.5 billion per month – will help cover a significant part of Ukraine's short-term funding needs for 2023, which the Ukrainian authorities and the International Monetary Fund estimate at €3 to €4 billion per month. The support put forward by the EU would need to be matched by similar efforts by other major donors in order to cover all of Ukraine's funding needs for 2023.

Thanks to this package, Ukraine will be able to keep on paying wages and pensions and maintain essential public services running, such as hospitals, schools, and housing for relocated people. It will also allow Ukraine to ensure macroeconomic stability, and restore critical infrastructure destroyed by Russia in its war of aggression, such as energy infrastructure, water systems, transport networks, roads and bridges

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_22_6699
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Keep it up and India will scratch neutrality in this conflict between the Empire and the West, and they will not choose us.
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Prime Minister Modi publically scolded Putin to his face that wars and invasions are not the way to solve problems in the 21st century
 
Cypress said:
Following the European Council meeting of 20-21 October 2022, the Commission has today proposed an unprecedented support package for Ukraine of up to €18 billion for 2023. This will come in the form of highly concessional loans, disbursed in regular instalments as of 2023.

This stable, regular and predictable financial assistance – averaging €1.5 billion per month – will help cover a significant part of Ukraine's short-term funding needs for 2023, which the Ukrainian authorities and the International Monetary Fund estimate at €3 to €4 billion per month. The support put forward by the EU would need to be matched by similar efforts by other major donors in order to cover all of Ukraine's funding needs for 2023.

Thanks to this package, Ukraine will be able to keep on paying wages and pensions and maintain essential public services running, such as hospitals, schools, and housing for relocated people. It will also allow Ukraine to ensure macroeconomic stability, and restore critical infrastructure destroyed by Russia in its war of aggression, such as energy infrastructure, water systems, transport networks, roads and bridges

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_22_6699
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UKraine is burning $5 billion of Western money a month even before reconstruction starts.

Also calling it loans in dishonest....everyone knows that these will not be paid back, much like the American so-called COVID loans.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
UKraine is burning $5 billion of Western money a month even before reconstruction starts.

Also calling it loans in dishonest....everyone knows that these will not be paid back, much like the American so-called COVID loans.
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We're not going to let Putin succeed with his military aggression and war crimes.
 
Cypress said:
Prime Minister Modi publically scolded Putin to his face that wars and invasions are not the way to solve problems in the 21st century
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India is probably the biggest purchaser of Russian weapons on the international arms market, and now India has observed that Russian weapons are utterly inferior to NATO-grade weapons.

The Russians arms export market is about to crater, and India may just pivot to western arms suppliers.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Free nations won't. The dictator nations do because he supports them. Iran, Syria, DPRK, China, Belarus, etc.
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Yes, but other than Belarus and NK, none of those nations are actively helping Putin. Putin's great 'ally' China is withholding any kind of military assistance.
 
Cypress said:
Yes, but other than Belarus and NK, none of those nations are actively helping Putin. Putin's great 'ally' China is withholding any kind of military assistance.
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China has their own problems. Iran is supplying drones, Syria is reportedly supplying mercenaries.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
UKraine is burning $5 billion of Western money a month even before reconstruction starts.

Also calling it loans in dishonest....everyone knows that these will not be paid back, much like the American so-called COVID loans.
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What is your solution? Let Putin have anything he wants?
 
Cypress said:
We're not going to let Putin succeed with his military aggression and war crimes.
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Here's a thought....

Maybe an outlandish one, but one of those "what if" scenarios that's interesting to ponder....

Is it possible that maybe, (not thinking his military losses would be as extensive as they have been), Russia went into this willing to sacrifice a certain percentage of its military knowing there would be significant losses, but with no expectations of or real desire for a successful outcome, outside of draining the resources and damaging the economies of the west and throwing us into political turmoil?

Is it possible that, knowing Europe and the US would dump tons of money into Ukraine and that, combined with what the invasion has done to gas prices and western economies, it could be two prongs of a larger plan by Russia to cause economic damage and chaos in the US and abroad?

In short, could this entire invasion have been a giant, cruel hoax that was never intended to result in Russia retaking Ukraine, but only to weaken and destabilize the West?

Just a thought. :thinking:
 
I never blame a state for the actions of their AUTOCRAT LEADER!

And I don't want to hear anyone blame me for the the actions of Donald Trump either!

I didn't vote for him, nor did I support him.

I went with the Majority of Americans that have out-voted him 4 times in a row now!

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Nomad said:
Judoka or not, he's probably also a psychopath.

I doubt he'd limit himself to only two types of crippling, mutilation or torture.
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OK- Zelensky roasts children and Biden and Jens Stoltenberg direct gay snuff movies.
 
Nomad said:
Here's a thought....

Maybe an outlandish one, but one of those "what if" scenarios that's interesting to ponder....

Is it possible that maybe, (not thinking his military losses would be as extensive as they have been), Russia went into this willing to sacrifice a certain percentage of its military knowing there would be significant losses, but with no expectations of or real desire for a successful outcome, outside of draining the resources and damaging the economies of the west and throwing us into political turmoil?

Is it possible that, knowing Europe and the US would dump tons of money into Ukraine and that, combined with what the invasion has done to gas prices and western economies, it could be two prongs of a larger plan by Russia to cause economic damage and chaos in the US and abroad?

In short, could this entire invasion have been a giant, cruel hoax that was never intended to result in Russia retaking Ukraine, but only to weaken and destabilize the West?

Just a thought. :thinking:
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No. The plan is likely to include taking all of Ukraine as well.

Why is it that when the Russians say- ' We must have secure borders ' that everybody goes deaf ?
 
moon said:
No. The plan is likely to include taking all of Ukraine as well.

Why is it that when the Russians say- ' We must have secure borders ' that everybody goes deaf ?
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Who is Russia supposedly trying to secure its borders from?

First of all, they know the only countries capable of mounting military attacks from across their borders will never do so.

Certainly not the US.

Second of all, who'd even want to sneak into Russia anyway?

Nobody.

Nobody in their right mind would want to sneak into Russia or even go there for longer than a short visit just out of curiosity and to be able to say they've been there.

The only reason for which Russia needs to secure its borders, is to keep people in.

And that is something they do quite well from within.
 
Nomad said:
Here's a thought....

Maybe an outlandish one, but one of those "what if" scenarios that's interesting to ponder....

Is it possible that maybe, (not thinking his military losses would be as extensive as they have been), Russia went into this willing to sacrifice a certain percentage of its military knowing there would be significant losses, but with no expectations of or real desire for a successful outcome, outside of draining the resources and damaging the economies of the west and throwing us into political turmoil?

Is it possible that, knowing Europe and the US would dump tons of money into Ukraine and that, combined with what the invasion has done to gas prices and western economies, it could be two prongs of a larger plan by Russia to cause economic damage and chaos in the US and abroad?

In short, could this entire invasion have been a giant, cruel hoax that was never intended to result in Russia retaking Ukraine, but only to weaken and destabilize the West?

Just a thought. :thinking:
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Doesn't sound very plausible.

Putin is a Russian imperialist, he openly thinks of himself as an incarnation of Peter the Great, and he believes by his reading of history that Ukraine has never been an independent state and it belongs to Russia by divine right.

He undoubtedly thought he could rapidly conquer Ukraine in two weeks and the west would just ultimately accept it.
 
Nomad said:
Who is Russia supposedly trying to secure its borders from?

First of all, they know the only countries capable of mounting military attacks from across their borders will never do so.

Certainly not the US.

Second of all, who'd even want to sneak into Russia anyway?

Nobody.

Nobody in their right mind would want to sneak into Russia or even go there for longer than a short visit just out of curiosity and to be able to say they've been there.

The only reason for which Russia needs to secure its borders, is to keep people in.

And that is something they do quite well from within.
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NATO broke its word to Gorbachev that it wouldn't advance eastward. For Russia to trust NATO again would be foolish- and that would include promises of not admitting Ukraine or of not installing nukes in Ukraine if it did. All in all- NATO is Russia's existential enemy, as I'm sure any NATO commander would agree.
 
moon said:
NATO broke its word to Gorbachev that it wouldn't advance eastward. For Russia to trust NATO again would be foolish- and that would include promises of not admitting Ukraine or of not installing nukes in Ukraine if it did. All in all- NATO is Russia's existential enemy, as I'm sure any NATO commander would agree.
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NATO has reason to protect Europe from Russia, not the other way around.

Russia knows this.

Every excuse they fabricate to defend their indefensible actions are pure propaganda.
 
Nomad said:
NATO has reason to protect Europe from Russia, not the other way around.

Russia knows this.

Every excuse they fabricate to defend their indefensible actions are pure propaganda.
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No- NATO is a protection racket with US arms dealers at its apex. Russia wasn't threaten ing Europe, Russia was INTEGRATING with Europe- and Biden wanted it stopped.
 
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