Europe to declare Russia a Terrorist State

moon said:
NATO broke its word to Gorbachev that it wouldn't advance eastward. For Russia to trust NATO again would be foolish- and that would include promises of not admitting Ukraine or of not installing nukes in Ukraine if it did. All in all- NATO is Russia's existential enemy, as I'm sure any NATO commander would agree.
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Their word is predicated on Russia not seeking expansion. Putin was done it again. Ukraine was aware of Putin's threat and considered joining NATO to save itself. They were not accepted in time.. The west helping them makes perfect sense since nobody thinks Putin is done.
 
Nordberg said:
Their word is predicated on Russia not seeking expansion. Putin was done it again. Ukraine was aware of Putin's threat and considered joining NATO to save itself. They were not accepted in time.. The west helping them makes perfect sense since nobody thinks Putin is done.
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NATO expanded long before Biden's Nord Stream war. It cannot be trusted. Article 5 is WW3 on hold.
 
moon said:
No- NATO is a protection racket with US arms dealers at its apex. Russia wasn't threaten ing Europe, Russia was INTEGRATING with Europe- and Biden wanted it stopped.
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So Biden twisted Putin's arm and forced him to invade Ukraine?

Sure.

Why not? :palm:
 
Cypress said:
India is probably the biggest purchaser of Russian weapons on the international arms market, and now India has observed that Russian weapons are utterly inferior to NATO-grade weapons.

The Russians arms export market is about to crater, and India may just pivot to western arms suppliers.
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Pretty much what happened after the 6 day war. Israel was flying French jets and utterly destroyed the Egyptian airforce that was flying Russian jets. A total of 338 Egyptian aircraft were destroyed and 100 pilots were killed.

The tank battles were about the same way. Russia had a harder time selling their weapons after that.
 
Nomad said:
Here's a thought....

Maybe an outlandish one, but one of those "what if" scenarios that's interesting to ponder....

Is it possible that maybe, (not thinking his military losses would be as extensive as they have been), Russia went into this willing to sacrifice a certain percentage of its military knowing there would be significant losses, but with no expectations of or real desire for a successful outcome, outside of draining the resources and damaging the economies of the west and throwing us into political turmoil?

Is it possible that, knowing Europe and the US would dump tons of money into Ukraine and that, combined with what the invasion has done to gas prices and western economies, it could be two prongs of a larger plan by Russia to cause economic damage and chaos in the US and abroad?

In short, could this entire invasion have been a giant, cruel hoax that was never intended to result in Russia retaking Ukraine, but only to weaken and destabilize the West?

Just a thought. :thinking:
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Nope
 
Nomad said:
Here's a thought....

Maybe an outlandish one, but one of those "what if" scenarios that's interesting to ponder....

Is it possible that maybe, (not thinking his military losses would be as extensive as they have been), Russia went into this willing to sacrifice a certain percentage of its military knowing there would be significant losses, but with no expectations of or real desire for a successful outcome, outside of draining the resources and damaging the economies of the west and throwing us into political turmoil?

Is it possible that, knowing Europe and the US would dump tons of money into Ukraine and that, combined with what the invasion has done to gas prices and western economies, it could be two prongs of a larger plan by Russia to cause economic damage and chaos in the US and abroad?

In short, could this entire invasion have been a giant, cruel hoax that was never intended to result in Russia retaking Ukraine, but only to weaken and destabilize the West?

Just a thought. :thinking:
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Phoenix suggested the same thing and I queried him on that in APP.
anonymoose said:
Are you suggesting that it’s possible Russian commanders purposely put their soldiers in a position to be slaughtered? And their tanks to be be destroyed?
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moon said:
NATO expanded long before Biden's Nord Stream war. It cannot be trusted. Article 5 is WW3 on hold.
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cant disagree - might as well throw the Kerch Straight bridge in there
Is the USA still claiming Russia destroyed it's own infrastructure :palm:
 
Cypress said:
Following the European Council meeting of 20-21 October 2022, the Commission has today proposed an unprecedented support package for Ukraine of up to €18 billion for 2023. This will come in the form of highly concessional loans, disbursed in regular instalments as of 2023.

This stable, regular and predictable financial assistance – averaging €1.5 billion per month – will help cover a significant part of Ukraine's short-term funding needs for 2023, which the Ukrainian authorities and the International Monetary Fund estimate at €3 to €4 billion per month. The support put forward by the EU would need to be matched by similar efforts by other major donors in order to cover all of Ukraine's funding needs for 2023.

Thanks to this package, Ukraine will be able to keep on paying wages and pensions and maintain essential public services running, such as hospitals, schools, and housing for relocated people. It will also allow Ukraine to ensure macroeconomic stability, and restore critical infrastructure destroyed by Russia in its war of aggression, such as energy infrastructure, water systems, transport networks, roads and bridges

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_22_6699
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that's their choice if they want to jump into the Ukraine Money Pit
i was referring to HOW ABOUT THE MILITARY ASSISTANCE??
Im sick of the USA doing unconditional escalation and being the lead war machine in it's war against Russia
 
goat said:
Americans don't realize this crap has been going on for 400 years. Russia and China want to be part of the world but empire needs an enemy.
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the way things are going China is going to be the New World Order. Russia goes along for the ride
 
moon said:
NATO expanded long before Biden's Nord Stream war. It cannot be trusted. Article 5 is WW3 on hold.
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Russia took Crimea showing its expansionist ideas. They tried the same in Ukraine. Yes, Putin can not be trusted. He is looking to reproduce the buffer states. NATO is still a defensive alliance that was essentially started to defend from Russian potential aggression. Putin shows how wise it was.
 
Nordberg said:
Russia took Crimea showing its expansionist ideas. They tried the same in Ukraine. Yes, Putin can not be trusted. He is looking to reproduce the buffer states. NATO is still a defensive alliance that was essentially started to defend from Russian potential aggression. Putin shows how wise it was.
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No- the US - led coup of 2014 caused Ukraine- and the Donbas- to rebel against the puppet anti-Russian government.

NATO is a self-fulfilling prophesy. Article 5 is WW3 in waiting.
 
Nordberg said:
Russia took Crimea showing its expansionist ideas. They tried the same in Ukraine. Yes, Putin can not be trusted. He is looking to reproduce the buffer states. NATO is still a defensive alliance that was essentially started to defend from Russian potential aggression. Putin shows how wise it was.
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Again- Crimea VOTED to REJOIN with Russia after the US-led coup overturned the elected, pro-Russian government. This is a FACT. The notion of the Russians invading Crimea out of some sort of expansionist agenda is rooted in Western propaganda.
Also, it's NATO that has been doing the expanding, not the Russians. NATO are NOT the ' good guys '.
 
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