Epic fail: the GOP's attempt to woo minorities

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maineman said:
yurt.... you can say that til the cows come home, the fact of the matter is: minorities vote democratic and until the republican party quits trying to deny that or to claim it has nothing to do with republican policies positions, that will continue to be the case. That's just the way it is. sorry.
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What's offensive about Yurt's and those who share his views opinions is that it makes an assumption that minorities are stupid and not capable of determining what is in their best interest. I mean it's insulting to any objective persons intelligence (and yes Yurt, that includes minorities, believe it or not, they are capable of critical thought and capable of being detatched and ojective.) when all the abundant evidence of racism in the Republican party. From the party's membership being over 80% white males, to the racist rhetoric of Republican Party leaders like Trent Lott and Rush Limbaugh, to their support of racist organizations such as the CCC, to the abandoning of poor minorities in New Orleans to their fates after Katrina, to economic policies aimed at keeping them economically disadvantaged per regressive tax policies, and on and on.

For minorities, there is clear and abundant objective evidence that Republican policies do not represent their best interest. So why then would they in any rational sense want to support Republican politics?
 
Yurt said:
and this proves what?

i guess more people like alcohol than marijuana.....that must mean alcohol is better for you.....even you are above this kind of stupid logic
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My brother it means that African-Americans do not agree with the republican agenda or it's leaders.

It's as simple as that.

Even those of us who do not agree with democrats are not dumb enough to vote republican.
 
Yurt said:
interesting point.....why does the democratic party need a "black" caucus.....why do they need a seperate and supposedly equal caucus within their own party.....it does seem to indicate that blacks are kept "over there" in a "black" caucus......

strange indeed

i am not surprised watermark limped away from finding obama as the leader of the dem party
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The Democratic Party neither wanted nor created the Black Caucus .. Black people did .. and for the same reason we created black beauty pagents .. PERSPECTIVE.
 
blackascoal said:
My brother it means that African-Americans do not agree with the republican agenda or it's leaders.

It's as simple as that.

Even those of us who do not agree with democrats are not dumb enough to vote republican.
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Some african americans do agree with it.

Our thoughts are not determined by our skin color. Well, yours are.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
What's offensive about Yurt's and those who share his views opinions is that it makes an assumption that minorities are stupid and not capable of determining what is in their best interest. I mean it's insulting to any objective persons intelligence (and yes Yurt, that includes minorities, believe it or not, they are capable of critical thought and capable of being detatched and ojective.) when all the abundant evidence of racism in the Republican party. From the party's membership being over 80% white males, to the racist rhetoric of Republican Party leaders like Trent Lott and Rush Limbaugh, to their support of racist organizations such as the CCC, to the abandoning of poor minorities in New Orleans to their fates after Katrina, to economic policies aimed at keeping them economically disadvantaged per regressive tax policies, and on and on.

For minorities, there is clear and abundant objective evidence that Republican policies do not represent their best interest. So why then would they in any rational sense want to support Republican politics?
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Dependancy on handouts is in nobody's best interest, in the long run.
 
Yurt said:
actually.....it was updated in 2009 after obama became president....notice they no longer have dean as the chairman of their lily white party.....which btw his term ended on a koinkidink date.....january 21, 2009....the day after obama was sworn in

dems have never had a black person chair their party....and all the leaders are WHITE.....yet....the GOP is the white party....despite the chairman being black

liberal logic....
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Besides your so-called black "leader" .. who isn't the leader AT ALL .. how many other blacks occupy positions of authority within the Republican Party?

The Democratic Party has hundreds of elected African-Americans. How many does the Republican Party have?

I'm not sure what your argument could possibly be given the realities of the state of both major parties.
 
AssHatZombie said:
Some african americans do agree with it.

Our thoughts are not determined by our skin color. Well, yours are.
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FEW African-Americans do not agree with me .. less than 10%.

I'm not sure what your thoughts are based on, never have .. but that's beside the point. Black voters base their thoughts on the best interest of the country and their demographic .. no differently than any other demographic in the country. It's the very nature of politics .. something I'm sure never dawned on you.
 
blackascoal said:
FEW African-Americans do not agree with me .. less than 10%.

I'm not sure what your thoughts are based on, never have .. but that's beside the point. Black voters base their thoughts on the best interest of the country and their demographic .. no differently than any other demographic in the country. It's the very nature of politics .. something I'm sure never dawned on you.
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Individuals base their ideas on a myriad of ideas, some selfish, some not. Each race is not a distinctive monolith of set beliefs that they're assigned along with skin color, as you seem to believe.
 
blackascoal said:
Besides your so-called black "leader" .. who isn't the leader AT ALL .. how many other blacks occupy positions of authority within the Republican Party?

The Democratic Party has hundreds of elected African-Americans. How many does the Republican Party have?

I'm not sure what your argument could possibly be given the realities of the state of both major parties.
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Even though the Democratic party is more representative of minorities then the Republican party we can't give them a pass either. We won't be where we need to be on the race discussion in America until minority representation in politics is equivalent to their numbers in the general population. That's to say, if the African American population in the USA is 15% then there should be around 15% African American representation in our government. Neither party is even remotely close to that. Granted we've come a long way in a short time but this is clear evidence of just how far we still have to go.
 
AssHatZombie said:
Individuals base their ideas on a myriad of ideas, some selfish, some not. Each race is not a distinctive monolith of set beliefs that they're assigned along with skin color, as you seem to believe.
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EVERYBODY votes on their percieved best interests.

Why do you believe blacks are somehow different when it comes to voting their interests?

You may be strange .. but you're not a racist.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Even though the Democratic party is more representative of minorities then the Republican party we can't give them a pass either. We won't be where we need to be on the race discussion in America until minority representation in politics is equivalent to their numbers in the general population. That's to say, if the African American population in the USA is 15% then there should be around 15% African American representation in our government. Neither party is even remotely close to that. Granted we've come a long way in a short time but this is clear evidence of just how far we still have to go.
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Wow. Your mind is totally destroyed by political correctness.

The colorblind dream of actual leaders like MLK is the furthest thing from your completely race obsessed mind.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Even though the Democratic party is more representative of minorities then the Republican party we can't give them a pass either. We won't be where we need to be on the race discussion in America until minority representation in politics is equivalent to their numbers in the general population. That's to say, if the African American population in the USA is 15% then there should be around 15% African American representation in our government. Neither party is even remotely close to that. Granted we've come a long way in a short time but this is clear evidence of just how far we still have to go.
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You're singing to the choir good brother. I'm the LAST person on this board to give the Democratic Party a pass .. and taking black votes for granted is one of the reasons I am not a democrat.

That being said, whatever we do about race it should be done truthfully and with our eyes open. Suggesting that there is no difference between the two parties in regards to their treatment of African-Americans is far from the truth.

I'm not defending the Democratic Party, but defending the truth.
 
blackascoal said:
EVERYBODY votes on their percieved best interests.




Why do you believe blacks are somehow different when it comes to voting their interests?

You may be strange .. but you're not a racist.
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Some MAY have a notion of something being better for someone else. A higher notion, for instance.

additionally, what is perceived as best varies too. Some individuals believe low taxes are better for them, because thats where they are in life. Some want more food stamps each week.
 
AssHatZombie said:
Some MAY have a notion of something being better for someone else. A higher notion, for instance.

additionally, what is perceived as best varies too. Some individuals believe low taxes are better for them, because thats where they are in life. Some want more food stamps each week.
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Food stamps have absolutely ZERO to do with this. That's just bullshit and surely you have a better argument than this strawman. It was CLINTON who ended food stamps to many Americans OF ALL COLORS.

Why do you believe that African-Americans shouldn't vote their interests just as everyone else in America does?

Our interests are not food stamps .. but the well-being of the poor .. OF ALL COLORS .. is one of our interests.
 
blackascoal said:
Food stamps have absolutely ZERO to do with this. That's just bullshit and surely you have a better argument than this strawman. It was CLINTON who ended food stamps to many Americans OF ALL COLORS.

Why do you believe that African-Americans shouldn't vote their interests just as everyone else in America does?

Our interests are not food stamps .. but the well-being of the poor .. OF ALL COLORS .. is one of our interests.
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you're getting distracted by confusing details.

Blacks are not a monolithic community, because what's best for rich blacks is low taxes, but poor blacks prefer more income redistribution.

You use OUR interests like blacks are all part of a hive mind. That's not the case.
 
AssHatZombie said:
you're getting distracted by confusing details.

Blacks are not a monolithic community, because what's best for rich blacks is low taxes, but poor blacks prefer more income redistribution.

You use OUR interests like blacks are all part of a hive mind. That's not the case.
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Do facts matter to you?

A. African-Americans are a communal people with a "circle the wagons" mentality that has served us well throughout our history in a racist America.

B. At one time nearly all African-Americans were republicans .. but switched to the Democratic Party when they took a stronger interest in a more equitable society while the repoublicans went chasing southern racists .. which was an asinine policy that still haunts it today.

C. African-Americans vote 90% democrat .. which has far less to do with any "hive mentality" and far more to do with intelligently ascertaining who and what is in our best interests.

D. There are more rich African-Americans who vote democrat than there are that vote republican .. AND many rich white people vote democrat as well.
 
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