Epic fail of Kansas' tax-cut plan offers a lesson for us all

Reverse socialism simply doesn’t work. The attacks on the Estate tax would be funny except for the ignorance of the American public as to why the estate tax was created in the first place and the consequences of eliminating it.
 
Yes it has been a long held principle of the United States that people should not be allowed to keep their property. It belongs to sheep fuckers like Mott because he wants to move out of his hovel

Always amazed at people who think they have the right to another’s property.

It isn’t your money.


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Lastly it is amazing that there are those who think the only way to improve the lives others is to take from someone else.

It is oh so brave and compassionate to stand in the sidelines and yell “take his money”


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Reverse socialism simply doesn’t work. The attacks on the Estate tax would be funny except for the ignorance of the American public as to why the estate tax was created in the first place and the consequences of eliminating it.
I'm conflicted over the estate tax. If, like trump's family, the estate was built using taxpayer money, or via multiple bankruptcies and billions in depreciation credits, then it should be taxed.

If an estate is built with post tax dollars, and slow accrual of property, etc., I don't necessarily agree with making it impossible for heirs to keep real estate without having to liquidate in order to come up with 40%
 
The whole idea of the estate tax is to prevent to much inherited wealth accumulating to too few families. It is an important device to prevent an oligarchy of a handful of wealthy families from controlling our political and socioeconomic system. The exemption level is 5.49 million dollars (10.98 million per married couple). The Estate tax on affects 2 out of every 1,000 estates annually. Though you did site a top statutory rate of 40% the average affective tax rate is 17%. About the same as the long term capital gains rate. That's because the Estate tax only applies to inheritances above the exemption level. So you inherit $6 million you only pay the Estate tax on $0.51 million. Second there are generous deductions and loopholes that can be used that lower taxes on inheritances above the exemption rate. In addition many Estate taxes are avoided by using GRATs (Granter Retained Annuity Trust) to pass along considerable assets tax free.
 
estate tax is small potatos.. keep it or repeal it *meh*
But this is not "tax cuts for the rich*- it's middle class cuts and TAX REFORM.

Reform is simplification which means less planning by business according to tax codes,and more by the market.
It should allow some repatriation of foreign funds too

ervrybody wins -our 3.1% GDP) become the norm or better..that's how it's paid for too
 
*The key part of the Republican tax reform plan isn't the individual or even the corporate tax rates.
*The big news is that it doubles the standard deduction and provides significant relief and simplicity for most taxpayers.
*This should be the focus of the tax reform debate, not the endless old argument about benefits for the rich.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/27/gop...assive-cut-for-most-taxpayers-commentary.html

The Trump/GOP tax reform plan is out.
And it includes what could be the most significant tax relief in modern U.S. history for Americans who really need it.

That would be the plan to double the standard deduction for federal tax filers to$12,000 for individuals and $24,000 for married couples.

This is about as far as you can get from tax plans that supposedly only favor the"1 percent" or rely on "trickle down" theories to boost the overall economy.

Now just to be clear, this doubling of the standard deduction would not really amount to a 100-percent increase in deductions for everyone. Personal exemptions are being eliminated and consolidated into that bigger standard deduction. For someone taking the current standard deduction of$6,350 and one personal exemption of $4,050, this plan offers as"little" as 15 percent net increase in the deduction. But here's anews flash: that's still a massive tax break. What would you do with 15 percent more money?

Butwhile 15 percent is nothing to sneeze at, how is this such a major game-changer overall?

First off, it's important to remember that about 70 percent of federal tax filers don't itemize according to the Tax Policy Center.That may sound crazy to homeowners and people who live in highly-taxed blue states, but it's true.

"When 70 percent of American taxpayers stand to gain such a significant increase in their tax deductions, and a significant number of the other 30 percent has a new incentive to a simpler filing process, that's where the main focus should be."

This plan sends relief to some of the more challenged segments of the American population that don't qualify for welfare protections but are still falling behind. It will likely result in more people with low income paying no taxes at all.

Let'snot forget the stubborn segment of the population that cannot or simply will not buy a home. Homeownership in America is stuck in the low 60 percent range, according to the latest U.S. Census Bureau reports. That's basically the lowest it's been since 1967, and it means millions of Americans are missing out on the massive tax deductions homeowners enjoy for mortgage interest and property tax costs.

It also means that more Americans are missing out on the benefits of holding what has historically been one of the most solid investments in history. Sure we had a major housing crash just eight years ago or so, but no one can deny that was the exception as opposed to the rule. Perhaps with a massive standard deduction boost, millions of Americans will now be more able to raise the cash for a downpayment and get into the homeownership club. In any case, it gets more money into the hands of people who need it.

Another large and growing group of American taxpayers are so-called "gig economy" workers who do not hold traditional salaried jobs with one employer. Itemized tax forms are a major hurdle for these workers and are fraught with easy pitfalls that could lead to overpayment or underpayment of taxes. We've known for years that the complexity of itemizing taxes often leads people to choose not to itemize and take what they can get with the standard deduction even if that loses them some tax-refund money in the end. Now add the super complexity gig economy workers face in their returns and the chances they won't itemize is even greater.Boosting the standard deduction should be a big boon for a lot of them.

Of course, anything that makes the tax code simpler will almost always benefit the middle and lower middle class. Richer Americans can and do hire accountants,lawyers, and other staffers to help them swim through the dizzying laws and find the loopholes and caveats that help them. Most pundits are probably going to focus on how this plan simplifies taxes by going from seven tax rates to three.

But this boost in the standard deduction might actually do more to simplify the tax-filing process for a lot more people than any change to the rates. Not itemizing your taxes makes doing your taxes easier, period. And now there could be a much bigger incentive to not only make filing easier, but also reduce your tax bill.

Earlier this year, I noted how difficult it is to find some way to give middle and lower middle class Americans any level of federal tax relief because they don't pay much of the overall taxes anyway. In other words, what they do pay is probably a big deal for them, but there aren't many ways to cut their burden. But along comes this plan and it does that in a big way.

Other pundits will likely spend most of their time wringing their hands over the plan's call to reduce the highest tax rate of 39.6 percent to 35 percent and increasing the lowest tax rate from 10 percent to 12 percent. But much or all of that is offset by closing loopholes. Proof will be the lobbyists who want these arcane loopholes will squeal the loudest

Too much of our tax debate in this country and all over the Western world has for decades been dominated by a push to punish the rich over all else. As the late British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher once loudly pointed out, these critics would rather see the poor get poorer than the rich get richer.

We should reject that old obsession and look at the numbers. When 70 percent of American taxpayers stand to gain such a significant increase in their tax deductions, and a significant number of the other 30 percent has a new incentive to a simpler filing process, that's where the main focus should be.Otherwise, we'll just be arguing about or for that 1 percent forever.
 
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Comparing Kansas to the whole country isn't apples to apples. California has the highest poverty rate and most expensive real estate and we have raised taxes. Should that be a lesson for the country?
 
Comparing Kansas to the whole country isn't apples to apples. California has the highest poverty rate and most expensive real estate and we have raised taxes. Should that be a lesson for the country?

But the same thing happened when your hero George Dumbya Bush kept implementing tax cut after tax cut benefiting mainly the wealthy. The country went from budget surpluses, to massive budget deficits and then ultimately a Great Republican Recession.

So, it is not an isolated incident.
 
But the same thing happened when your hero George Dumbya Bush kept implementing tax cut after tax cut benefiting mainly the wealthy. The country went from budget surpluses, to massive budget deficits and then ultimately a Great Republican Recession.

So, it is not an isolated incident.

I'll bite. What caused the recession
 
California ranks 34th out of 50 states in highest poverty rate. Mississippi has the highest.

Troll, I mean, floridafan look up the supplemental poverty rate. A measure created by liberals to get a truer number on poverty. California "wins".
 
estate tax is small potatos.. keep it or repeal it *meh*
But this is not "tax cuts for the rich*- it's middle class cuts and TAX REFORM.

Reform is simplification which means less planning by business according to tax codes,and more by the market.
It should allow some repatriation of foreign funds too

ervrybody wins -our 3.1% GDP) become the norm or better..that's how it's paid for too


how do you cut federal income taxes for people who don't pay federal income taxes? Mathematically it doesn't make any sense.

We should end the EITC, it is nothing but welfare disguised as a tax cut
 
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