EPA.... overreaching yet again

[Mott the Hoople]

It's the same way in industry. Unless you have a tank farm or UST on site and your not a tier one facility alls you need is a boiler plate plan and some common sense management practices, like using secondary containment, having spill clean up materials on hand, etc, it's no big deal. You can knock one out and file it in a couple of hours. Now if your a tier one facility that's a different story. If your storage tanks and containment don't pass muster, that can cost a significant amount.

 

[NOVA]

Here it is.

http://www.epa.gov/emergencies/content/spcc/index.htm

It's bullshit...a lie, a fabrication, concoction, deceit, fable, fairy story, fake, falsehood, fib, fiction, figment, forgery, hogwash, invention, jazz, jive, line, myth, opus, smoke, song and dance, untruth, work, yarn

Antonym: TRUTH

You're an asshole and liar to boot....you quoted his post about Venice and ran off your shit hole with that silly list like it was so clever....then you go tapdancin' about the cows, when the post is about milk....
you own Mott a blowjob for TRYING to rescue you and save your ignorant ass....

Mott's story about animal fat is a worthy try but raw milk is less than 5% fat...that less than 50 gallons in an entire 1000 gal. spill and less than 500 gal. in a rare 10,000 spill....and not worth the EPA sticking their noses into....
I'll go with the EPA over reach, and it seems they are reconsidered anyway....

The new SPCC rules, exempts the dairy industry.....

"An owner or operator of a facility that is subject to the SPCC rule that has milk storage containers and associated piping and appurtenances constructed in accordance with current applicable 3-A Sanitary Standards, and that is effectively implementing current, applicable PMO sanitation requirements, is implementing substantial measures to prevent milk spoilage and contamination. EPA believes these measures serve to prevent discharges of oil in quantities that are harmful."

 

[Mott the Hoople]

You're an asshole and liar to boot....you quoted his post about Venice and ran off your shit hole with that silly list like it was so clever....then you go tapdancin' about the cows, when the post is about milk....
you own Mott a blowjob for TRYING to rescue you and save your ignorant ass....

Mott's story about animal fat is a worthy try but raw milk is less than 5% fat...that less than 50 gallons in an entire 1000 gal. spill and less than 500 gal. in a rare 10,000 spill....and not worth the EPA sticking their noses into....
I'll go with the EPA over reach, and it seems they are reconsidered anyway....

The new SPCC rules, exempts the dairy industry.....

"An owner or operator of a facility that is subject to the SPCC rule that has milk storage containers and associated piping and appurtenances constructed in accordance with current applicable 3-A Sanitary Standards, and that is effectively implementing current, applicable PMO sanitation requirements, is implementing substantial measures to prevent milk spoilage and contamination. EPA believes these measures serve to prevent discharges of oil in quantities that are harmful."

Well I'm sure they will try to legislate an exemption. The problem is, the SPCC has a minimal impact on 85% of "farmer". Mostly it's impact is going to be on the dairy industry and not your mom and pop farmer. Since they store substantial volumes of milk and if they can make a valid argument that #1. large volumes of milk, when spilled, present little risk to human health and the environment or, #2, that it is a critical industry and this rule provides an unreasonable burden, they they will probably get their expemtion. Oh...and by the way Pavo, raw milk is about 14% fat. The whole milk that you drink (you know, with the little red cap) is about 5% fat.

Oh...and how many spills in excess of a 1,000 gallons have you ever cleaned up?

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

NO it's not stupid. Farm runoff is the single biggest source of pollution there is. I exceeds even industry for the volume of point source pollutants. Raw milk has a high fat content and it's biologically active, like manure, If spilled in can run of into navigable water ways or can contaminate ground water with bacteria. Not to mention it's not nice if it goes rancid and contaminates water. Since it's a fat in can cover water in navigable water ways and wetland preventing oxygen from dissolving in the water and causing significant environments problems, such as fish and aquatic life kill off. It could also act as a nutrient causing algal blooms and other problems. These common sense SPCC procedures for small operation farmers to contain such spills, as with manure, are just common sense management practices. The typcial dairly farmer hardly runs a 10,000 gallon storage tank. Usually they have a 1,000 gallon tank and it's emptied on a daily basis. Teir 1 SPCC planing is going to impact industrial food processors who store large volumes, i.e. 10,000 gallons or better and they by god should have a certified SPCC program in place.

ROFLMAO.... this is the type of nonsense that I am talking about. This is over regulation... period.

I grew up in a farm town, predominantly dairy. I have worked on the dairy farms both in high school and college. At most the milk sits for 72 hours, but the norm is a pickup within 24-48. The tanks are scrubbed after every single pick up.

The current law states that any farm holding more than 1320 gallons is effected by the law (that total includes any and all oil storage). This effects a lot more farmers than you are letting on. Granted if the 10k gallon rule exemption is put in place it will effect less. For the uninformed, 1320 gallons is roughly 150 cows producing in a day. (75 if the pickup is every 48 hours).

Currently if the farms are under 10k gallons, they can self certify if they have never had a spill by filling out a wonderful 20 page EPA document. If not.... starting price is around $2500 for certification.

In a 10k spill you have about 500 gallons of fat.... 500 gallons is equivalent to about 12 barrels. Assume there was a spill that large and assume further that the full amount just happened to dump into a river or underground stream etc... it would instantly be dilluted and would begin breaking down. In addition, the water in most drinking supplies would then go through water treatment plants.

To call milk 'oil' is a joke. To regulate it as such is an even bigger joke.

I would be curious to see the last time there was a 10k gallon milk spill.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

ROFLMAO.... this is the type of nonsense that I am talking about. This is over regulation... period.

I grew up in a farm town, predominantly dairy. I have worked on the dairy farms both in high school and college. At most the milk sits for 72 hours, but the norm is a pickup within 24-48. The tanks are scrubbed after every single pick up.

The current law states that any farm holding more than 1320 gallons is effected by the law (that total includes any and all oil storage). This effects a lot more farmers than you are letting on. Granted if the 10k gallon rule exemption is put in place it will effect less. For the uninformed, 1320 gallons is roughly 150 cows producing in a day. (75 if the pickup is every 48 hours).

Currently if the farms are under 10k gallons, they can self certify if they have never had a spill by filling out a wonderful 20 page EPA document. If not.... starting price is around $2500 for certification.

In a 10k spill you have about 500 gallons of fat.... 500 gallons is equivalent to about 12 barrels. Assume there was a spill that large and assume further that the full amount just happened to dump into a river or underground stream etc... it would instantly be dilluted and would begin breaking down. In addition, the water in most drinking supplies would then go through water treatment plants.

To call milk 'oil' is a joke. To regulate it as such is an even bigger joke.

I would be curious to see the last time there was a 10k gallon milk spill.

Dude, you're making a mountain out of a mole hill. For the vast majority of farmers the implementation is little more then creating a piece of boiler plate planning, having the proper spill clean up materials/equipment and secondary containment is not a big deal. For the other 15%, hell who are you kidding. They aren't farmers, their industrial food processors and an SPCC program is little more then sound management practice.

 

[NOVA]

Well I'm sure they will try to legislate an exemption. The problem is, the SPCC has a minimal impact on 85% of "farmer". Mostly it's impact is going to be on the dairy industry and not your mom and pop farmer. Since they store substantial volumes of milk and if they can make a valid argument that #1. large volumes of milk, when spilled, present little risk to human health and the environment or, #2, that it is a critical industry and this rule provides an unreasonable burden, they they will probably get their expemtion. Oh...and by the way Pavo, raw milk is about 14% fat. The whole milk that you drink (you know, with the little red cap) is about 5% fat.

Oh...and how many spills in excess of a 1,000 gallons have you ever cleaned up?

14%? Not in my google its not....less than 5 was my number.
http://www.realmilk.com/healthbenefits.html

I order to have a 1000 gal. animal fat spill from raw milk, you would have to have a 20,000 gal. milk spill....
How many spills approaching these numbers have you cleaned up...
Never mind...
All that is irrelevant crap anyway....

The exemption was put into effect Jan. of 2009....2 years ago.