EPA.... overreaching yet again

[Cancel 2016.2]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/02/01/spilled_milk_108727.html

In a classic example of this process, the EPA has decided that, since milk contains oil, it has the authority to force farmers to comply with new regulations to file "emergency management" plans to show how they will cope with spilled milk, how farmers will train "first responders" and build "containment facilities" if there is a flood of spilled milk.

Wow... if this is true, this goes way way beyond the level of absurdity. Anyone ever been to a dairy farm? Even if one of their tanks suddenly sprung a major leak (if you have seen the tanks, you know a major leak is not a likely event), the tanks themselves don't hold more than a few thousand gallons at most.

Are they worried about a few thousand gallons causing a flood?

Is it that they think the milk will poison the ground water?

Do they think the milk will flow indefinitely like an oil spill?

Bottom line.... WTF???

 

[Bfgrn]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/02/01/spilled_milk_108727.html



Wow... if this is true, this goes way way beyond the level of absurdity. Anyone ever been to a dairy farm? Even if one of their tanks suddenly sprung a major leak (if you have seen the tanks, you know a major leak is not a likely event), the tanks themselves don't hold more than a few thousand gallons at most.

Are they worried about a few thousand gallons causing a flood?

Is it that they think the milk will poison the ground water?

Do they think the milk will flow indefinitely like an oil spill?

Bottom line.... WTF???

Bottom line...this is the typical right wing disingenuous fear-mongering bullshit.

It is created for stupid right wing morons...it is used to elicit the emotion that controls the right wing mind...FEAR.

 

[WinterBorn]

Bottom line...this is the typical right wing disingenuous fear-mongering bullshit.

It is created for stupid right wing morons...it is used to elicit the emotion that controls the right wing mind...FEAR.

If you think the EPS's policies are sane, you have lost your mind.

Let me give you an even worse example than the one SF gave.

In Venice FL they have a system of reclaimed water for use in residential sprinkler systems. The pipes for it run pretty much along with the city water system.

When I was working there a few years ago, we were told of an EPA requirement to report all spills beyond a few gallons. Which means, when we were digging, if we hit the reclaimed water lines we had to report it to the EPA. This same water was used to spray on people's lawns. It wasn't a hazard when coming out of a sprinkler system, but somehow became one when pouring straight out of a 1" line.

Now the restrictions for Venice were unusual, and mainly because of other issues the city had had in the past. But requiring spills of "sprinkler water" to be reported to the city & EPA is absolute lunacy.

 

[Bfgrn]

If you think the EPS's policies are sane, you have lost your mind.

Let me give you an even worse example than the one SF gave.

In Venice FL they have a system of reclaimed water for use in residential sprinkler systems. The pipes for it run pretty much along with the city water system.

When I was working there a few years ago, we were told of an EPA requirement to report all spills beyond a few gallons. Which means, when we were digging, if we hit the reclaimed water lines we had to report it to the EPA. This same water was used to spray on people's lawns. It wasn't a hazard when coming out of a sprinkler system, but somehow became one when pouring straight out of a 1" line.

Now the restrictions for Venice were unusual, and mainly because of other issues the city had had in the past. But requiring spills of "sprinkler water" to be reported to the city & EPA is absolute lunacy.

It's bullshit...a lie, a fabrication, concoction, deceit, fable, fairy story, fake, falsehood, fib, fiction, figment, forgery, hogwash, invention, jazz, jive, line, myth, opus, smoke, song and dance, untruth, work, yarn

Antonym: TRUTH

 

[Mott the Hoople]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/02/01/spilled_milk_108727.html



Wow... if this is true, this goes way way beyond the level of absurdity. Anyone ever been to a dairy farm? Even if one of their tanks suddenly sprung a major leak (if you have seen the tanks, you know a major leak is not a likely event), the tanks themselves don't hold more than a few thousand gallons at most.

Are they worried about a few thousand gallons causing a flood?

Is it that they think the milk will poison the ground water?

Do they think the milk will flow indefinitely like an oil spill?

Bottom line.... WTF???

I wouldn't get your panties in a wad. Unless their a tier 1 facility and are storing more then 10,000 gallons of milk in an above ground storage thank then the famers can self certify using prepared templates. Above 10,000 gallons and they need an SPCC program in place with containment that has been approved by a registered professional engineer. At 10,000 gallons of virtually anything in an above ground storage tank should have some form of SPCC plan in place. Since the vast majority of farmers don't store near that quantity of milk on site then the self certifying process will help to assure containment of a spill and will protect their neighbors property in case of one.

 

[WinterBorn]

It's bullshit...a lie, a fabrication, concoction, deceit, fable, fairy story, fake, falsehood, fib, fiction, figment, forgery, hogwash, invention, jazz, jive, line, myth, opus, smoke, song and dance, untruth, work, yarn

Antonym: TRUTH

Absolute truth. Now the reason the EPA had such requirements for Venice was because of issues in the past with pollution. But in 2006 & 2007, the city of Venice was required to report spills of reclaimed water to the EPA.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Bottom line...this is the typical right wing disingenuous fear-mongering bullshit.

It is created for stupid right wing morons...it is used to elicit the emotion that controls the right wing mind...FEAR.

How is it fear mongering?

It is stupid for the EPA to be concerned with milk spilling at a dairy farm. Unless you care to explain what potential environmental damage they are concerned with?

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

I wouldn't get your panties in a wad. Unless their a tier 1 facility and are storing more then 10,000 gallons of milk in an above ground storage thank then the famers can self certify using prepared templates. Above 10,000 gallons and they need an SPCC program in place with containment that has been approved by a registered professional engineer. At 10,000 gallons of virtually anything in an above ground storage tank should have some form of SPCC plan in place. Since the vast majority of farmers don't store near that quantity of milk on site then the self certifying process will help to assure containment of a spill and will protect their neighbors property in case of one.

It is truly amazing how many left wing nuts will defend this idiocy.

There is NO environmental damage that is going to come from milk spillage. Even with the rare tank that holds 10k gallons.

There is NO reason for the EPA to be regulating this.

None.

 

[Bfgrn]

Absolute truth. Now the reason the EPA had such requirements for Venice was because of issues in the past with pollution. But in 2006 & 2007, the city of Venice was required to report spills of reclaimed water to the EPA.

I'm talking about the milk.

BRING me the legislation.

 

[Bfgrn]

How is it fear mongering?

It is stupid for the EPA to be concerned with milk spilling at a dairy farm. Unless you care to explain what potential environmental damage they are concerned with?

Don't bring me right wing bullshit...bring me the EPA legislation.

 

[WinterBorn]

I'm talking about the milk.

BRING me the legislation.

You quoted my post and were talking about the milk? Ok.

 

[Bfgrn]

You quoted my post and were talking about the milk? Ok.

I was staying with the OP premise, you deviated.

 

[tinfoil]

Bfoon

 

[WinterBorn]

I was staying with the OP premise, you deviated.

The premise of the OP is that the EPA is overreaching. My post was a perfect example of that.

 

[Bfgrn]

The premise of the OP is that the EPA is overreaching. My post was a perfect example of that.

You are ASSuming it is true...I say it is NOT.

Go to the EPA website and search 'milk'...

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

Don't bring me right wing bullshit...bring me the EPA legislation.

The 'legislation' is the Federal Clean Water act. They are saying that because milk contains oil, they can regulate it the same as petroleum based oil. There is no new proposed legislation, only new self imposed authority from old legislation.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

You are ASSuming it is true...I say it is NOT.

Go to the EPA website and search 'milk'...

http://www.epa.gov/osweroe1/content/spcc/compliance_dates.htm

Fucking moron....

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

The MI senate is currently fighting such actions by the overzealous EPA

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2010/06/state_senate_calls_for_epa_to.html

MI, protecting America from the rest of the proles.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

Bfgrn status

[x]Told
[x]Fucking Told
[x] Told Man Winter

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

The 'legislation' is the Federal Clean Water act. They are saying that because milk contains oil, they can regulate it the same as petroleum based oil. There is no new proposed legislation, only new self imposed authority from old legislation.

Spill Prevention, Control, and Countermeasure (SPCC) Rule is the actual ruling that currently regulates those environmental catastrophies waiting to happen.

Can you imagine spilt milk... damn... that would certainly destroy everything in a fifty mile radius. Fuck nukes. Just drop some milk on our enemies. Fucking wipe them all out.

FEAR THE MILK!!!