Enemy Mine.

[Cancel 2016.2]

Once again, the world has to face the trageic results when you mix extremism with hate. This time it's some evil, narcissistic asshole in Norway, who wasted 80 some lives in order to gain attention for his mean spirited viewpoints.

Now here in America, the initial reaction was that Al Qaeda was somehow linked to this horror. But even after the facts reveal that the culprit was a totally home grown terrorist, some of our local papers opinion and op-ed analysis STILL tried to mentally link Al Qaeda to the situation, as if this incident will somehow take some steam out of the Al Qeada fear factor that drives much of our Homeland Security and basic national security appropriations and actions.

And this is what annoys me, because given the history of the world one cannot keep pretending that only people of a certain race or ethinic group or religious belief are capable of mass destruction and murder.....that it's "others" who are only capable of such evil acts, and that it "rarely happens here". I recall how Italy STILL has a political party expousing fascism, and Germany has one with shades of nazi ideology dripping from it, and how France's Sarkozy makes forcing muslim women to remove their ceremonial head scarves a rallying point for his society. Then you have the ethnic cleansing in Rwanda, Bosnai/Croatia/Kosovo, the murder of catholics in the Sudan, that Chile's Pinochet literally got away with murder, the far right, anti-immigrant nationalist Swedish Democrats the old National Front and it's offshoot the BNP in England....and God knows the plethora of separatists/supremacist groups that are alive and functioning here in the good old USA.

I could go on, but hopefully you get my point....we must all acknowledge the evil that dwells within our own backyard, and make the effort on any level to stamp out or halt it's spread. Remember, the jokes you think are harmless about someone's race or religion or culture that are told among your friends may be taken seriously by one...and as we see in Norway, one is all it takes. I see it like this...I don't have to like you or hang out with you or agree with everything you say or do...but so long as you don't break laws or hurt anyone, I do have to give you the same respect and courtesy that I expect to be given. Remember, as children in 1st grade we were taught to share and be nice to each other. Maybe applying those simple rules to the adults in the world might prevent another Norway terror strike.

do link us up to whomever is trying to link this to Al Queda....

 

[NOVA]

That is a totally ignorant and irrational statement you just made......wearing a head scarf is no way in hell the equivalent of female circumsion no more than having an ash mark on your forehead once a year or wearing a skull cap. You and Tom are missing my point.....or actually making it. Statements born or irrational, extreme viewpoints that are appropo to bigoted ideals are NOT exclusive to dark skinned muslims....as Breivik demonstrated, and as the other examples I gave do.

Can't resist playing the race card can you....its like second nature to you.....

Maybe its you missing the point.....wearing a head scarf, burka, stoning, circumsision, etc. are all EXCEPTED Muslim pracitces that most civilized people see as their way of enslaving their women and treating them a little more than cattle....all under the umbrella of religious beliefs and religious laws....some pracitces more sinister than others

Muslim men don't stoned...Muslim men don't wear burkas....Muslim men don't get beaten for showing a naked ankle or arm......open you eyes, bro......

 

[cancel2 2022]

Was Burkha-wearing big news in Vietnam?




How about Muslim attitudes on apostasy? No?

You were the one that posted a story about a Vietnamese man shooting his wife and family members.

 

[NOVA]

"Teabagger" is a slang used to demean advocates of the "Tea Bag Party", originated by sighting a woman carrying a sign at a rally saying, "Teabag Obama before he Tea Bags You." It has been members of the Tea Bag Party and attendants at their rallies who have made veiled threats of violence if they don't get their way, not the other way around. I notice how you didn't have any negative adjectives for the Christians in your short list...interesting. Just pointing these things out, because I'm sighting people who are the aggressors and hate mongers....NOT the non-provoking victims or objects of this hate or bigotry.

Teabagger is slang term to demean and I don't give a shit how it originated....

Nigger is slang term to demean and its use accepted by blacks calling each other 'nigger' but others are not allowed to use the word....

Fundies is slang term to demean Christians that accept the Bible literally....

Neo-Con is slang term to demean any and all Conservatives and Republicans....

and we could go on and on, couldn't we ?
Did you really expect me make a list to include the thousands of demeaning names people have for each other ?

so whats your point.....small numbers that belong to ANY of these groups have at one time or another have made veiled threats of violence if they don't get their way, sometimes not so veiled....

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

You were the one that posted a story about a Vietnamese man shooting his wife and family members.

I posted a story about a American man of Vietnamese extraction shooting people in Grand Prairie, Texas. That tiny detail apparently escaped you, although a spelling error in the OP did not.




Now, spellcheck Reuters and go hook up with your dreams.


[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/25/us-texas-shooting-idUSTRE76N0JR20110725[/FONT]

 

[NOVA]

You were the one that posted a story about a Vietnamese man shooting his wife and family members.

Hey Tom.....

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Well, for starters you're operating under the premise that if women wearing either a full or abbreviated burhka that they are being kow towed and beaten by their husbands, who are secretly advocates of some version of Islamic fundamentalism via Al Qaeda or the Taliban. You and I both know that is not the case for the thousands of muslims living in industrial societies of Europe and the West. Also, if you enforce a gov't ban on a form of religious dress, is it all encompassing to the society? Are French Jews banned from wearing yamulkes? Are French Catholics banned from the practice of marking the forehead for Ash Wednesday, or displaying crucifixes on chains around their necks?

I included the Sarkozy move in my opening posts to point out a low level of fear being used to indulge societal bigotry and excercise a sense of "control", which worked well for Sarkozy's election. That can be a stepping stone for more drastic measures down the line if the political/social climate is right. Jokers like Breivit, with his irrational and paranoid rantings, would welcome such a move in the Norwegian gov't.

Burkhas are banned for more reasons than you cite. They are banned chiefly because the identity of the wearer cannot be verified. You will, no doubt, remember tales of Michael Jackson in Saudi wearing a burkha to shield his identity and a leading TV journo in the UK reported from Iran (?) by wearing one.
We have, in the UK, total inconsistency whereby a youth in a hoody may be banned from entering a shopping mall, but a crowd of burkha wearers (they might be male or female or something in between) are allowed free access.
If it was a religious consideration it would not work because Muslim ladies wear anything from a simple headscarf to the full bell tent depending on where they are from. You cant ban headscarfs or the entire Italian fashion industry would go out of business.
Unfortunately people of both Islamic faiths and non Islamic faiths sell the religious bit rigorously because that is the best way to 'win'.
It is not about 'control' or culture. It is about policing and verification.

Earlier this year it was estimated that about 2,000 muslim women out of a 5 million muslim population in France actually wear the niqab that just allows their eyes to be seen....off hand, I'd say that any national holiday celebration where the vast majority of people wear costumes that obscure their identity should also be banned if we are to follow that mindset. The same could go for the U.K. Suspecting a minute portion of the general population, let alone a minority within a minority, to the point where there's a national law affecting them should have a legal precedent to justify it. Beyond suspicion, there's nothing that can justify Sarkozy's law. Mind you, if the burkha wearers want to travel on an airline and refuse to be be searched or show their faces along with driver's license, etc., it's tough cookies and they don't fly (IMHO, of course).

So back to square one....you have a law that essentially plays into fear and bigotry, and sets up a precendent for further (legal) expansion of such a mindset....not a good thing in these times.

 

[Taichiliberal]

You gotta be joking.....that website is your basis for pointing out Beck lie....? What bullshit.....I did take a look at it.....
Though I certainly realize Beck makes mistakes and isn't right 100% of the time and some of his opinions aren't accepted by everyone....no one opinions are, are they....
that doesn't make them lies....


First, ....the Web site theroot.com had published a list of the "blackest white folks we know," and it included Beck and Urlacher.

Beck had photos of the group on a board during his show Thursday on Fox News and started to identify the ones he knew. When he came to a picture of Urlacher, who had a very close-cropped hair cut, he said: "I think this guy's a neo-Nazi."....it was a joke you toad....to say he was lying is ludicrous....

and he apoligized when he realized what he said was taken out of context and the joke was taken seriously by the pinheads like you...

With that kind of criteria, I could say Bill Mahar is lying every time he opens his mouth....

Obviously, you're one of Beck's idiots....HIS words, not mine! Look it up if you don't believe me.

But all that is off topic.....the POINT of my opening post was to point out that evil terrorist are IN YOUR BACKYARD AND CAN LOOK JUST LIKE YOU! Until people get their heads out of the political/social/ideological sand they have them buried in and realize this, things will just keep deteriorating.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Sorry to burst your anti-Christian bubble, but Islam is still a far greater threat to western civilization than any right-wing extremist Christian. Most Christians are reasonable people. The same cannot be said of most Muslims in some countries. Case in point:

http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/

Does that sound like a free, equitable society to you? Does that sound like a people you can reason with?

WTF are you babbling about? How in the hell does your little list justify or equate with what Breivik put down in Norway? And how is ANYTHING I stated in my opening post "anti-Christian"? Most Christian people have NO TROUBLE DOING BUSINESS WITH ALL THE COUNTRIES ON YOUR LIST, DON'T CHA KNOW? So what does that say about them?

Bottom line: the POINT of my post was that there are terrorist who LOOK JUST LIKE YOU AND LIVE IN YOUR BACKYARD. They don't give a damn about you so long as you keep in line with their beliefs and rules. Deal with it.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Once again, the world has to face the trageic results when you mix extremism with hate. This time it's some evil, narcissistic asshole in Norway, who wasted 80 some lives in order to gain attention for his mean spirited viewpoints.

Now here in America, the initial reaction was that Al Qaeda was somehow linked to this horror. But even after the facts reveal that the culprit was a totally home grown terrorist, some of our local papers opinion and op-ed analysis STILL tried to mentally link Al Qaeda to the situation, as if this incident will somehow take some steam out of the Al Qeada fear factor that drives much of our Homeland Security and basic national security appropriations and actions.

And this is what annoys me, because given the history of the world one cannot keep pretending that only people of a certain race or ethinic group or religious belief are capable of mass destruction and murder.....that it's "others" who are only capable of such evil acts, and that it "rarely happens here". I recall how Italy STILL has a political party expousing fascism, and Germany has one with shades of nazi ideology dripping from it, and how France's Sarkozy makes forcing muslim women to remove their ceremonial head scarves a rallying point for his society. Then you have the ethnic cleansing in Rwanda, Bosnai/Croatia/Kosovo, the murder of catholics in the Sudan, that Chile's Pinochet literally got away with murder, the far right, anti-immigrant nationalist Swedish Democrats the old National Front and it's offshoot the BNP in England....and God knows the plethora of separatists/supremacist groups that are alive and functioning here in the good old USA.

I could go on, but hopefully you get my point....we must all acknowledge the evil that dwells within our own backyard, and make the effort on any level to stamp out or halt it's spread. Remember, the jokes you think are harmless about someone's race or religion or culture that are told among your friends may be taken seriously by one...and as we see in Norway, one is all it takes. I see it like this...I don't have to like you or hang out with you or agree with everything you say or do...but so long as you don't break laws or hurt anyone, I do have to give you the same respect and courtesy that I expect to be given. Remember, as children in 1st grade we were taught to share and be nice to each other. Maybe applying those simple rules to the adults in the world might prevent another Norway terror strike.

do link us up to whomever is trying to link this to Al Queda....

Check it out:

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?33811-Enemy-Mine.&p=841076#post841076

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
That is a totally ignorant and irrational statement you just made......wearing a head scarf is no way in hell the equivalent of female circumsion no more than having an ash mark on your forehead once a year or wearing a skull cap. You and Tom are missing my point.....or actually making it. Statements born or irrational, extreme viewpoints that are appropo to bigoted ideals are NOT exclusive to dark skinned muslims....as Breivik demonstrated, and as the other examples I gave do.

Can't resist playing the race card can you....its like second nature to you.....

It's second nature to me to expose ignorance, bigotry, racism and liars.....you're not "playing" Bravo, you're just letting everyone see what bubbles up from your subconscious from time to time.

Maybe its you missing the point.....wearing a head scarf, burka, stoning, circumsision, etc. are all EXCEPTED Muslim pracitces that most civilized people see as their way of enslaving their women and treating them a little more than cattle....all under the umbrella of religious beliefs and religious laws....some pracitces more sinister than others

Circumcision went from a religious practice to a "medically scientific" one in American medicine that for decades has been done automatically unless the parents of the newborn male specify otherwise....I don't consider that "sinister", but others might. Burkas, niqabs are a form of ceremonial dress.....stoning is a punishment for crimes. Not all nations that have islam as the dominant faith condone stoning, or require all women to wear niqabs. Once again, my barstool covering Bravo, you make generalizations and suppositions based on ignorance.

Muslim men don't stoned...Muslim men don't wear burkas....Muslim men don't get beaten for showing a naked ankle or arm......open you eyes, bro......

Breivik wasn't a muslim, my intellectually impotent Bravo.....neither was McVeigh or Pinochet or that joker from Kosovo or those cretins from Rwanda. You need to get your head out of your ass, get off that barstool and get educated as to what's going on in the world.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
"Teabagger" is a slang used to demean advocates of the "Tea Bag Party", originated by sighting a woman carrying a sign at a rally saying, "Teabag Obama before he Tea Bags You." It has been members of the Tea Bag Party and attendants at their rallies who have made veiled threats of violence if they don't get their way, not the other way around. I notice how you didn't have any negative adjectives for the Christians in your short list...interesting. Just pointing these things out, because I'm sighting people who are the aggressors and hate mongers....NOT the non-provoking victims or objects of this hate or bigotry.

Teabagger is slang term to demean and I don't give a shit how it originated....

See folks, Bravo is what we call a "willfully ignorant" voter/citizen/person, thus making rational, fact based discussion with him limited at best. You'll see what I mean as we progress here.

Nigger is slang term to demean and its use accepted by blacks calling each other 'nigger' but others are not allowed to use the word....

Right off the bat we see Bravo indulge his racist bent by using an anti-black slur to make a moot point that has NOTHING to do with my point above regarding what separates "teabagger" from racist and anti-religious/ethnic slurs. This is Bravo's idea of "fun"....trying to goad people with racist slurs...pity no one ever taught him that was wrong, or what a crashing boor it makes him.

Fundies is slang term to demean Christians that accept the Bible literally....

Never heard of the word "fundies"....must be something Bravo and the boys cooked up at the local bar. And this little moot revelation STILL does not alter my previous point one iota.

Neo-Con is slang term to demean any and all Conservatives and Republicans....

No, it's a nickname/label a specific group of people who consider themselves "new conservatives" those who adhere to an Executive Branch centrist gov't, that let's the "private sector" via corporations reign free, and a total repeal of FDR's New Deal for all American citizens. They ain't your Daddy's or Grand-Daddy's conservatives or Republicans.

and we could go on and on, couldn't we ?

We could, but as you can see folks, our intellectually stunted Bravo has admitted to his willful ignorance, has displayed a disregard for civility by introducing a moot explanation of a specific racial slur, and in general is just ignoring the facts that prove his initial assertions wrong while trying to dodge the fact based conclusions I reached regarding Breivik in Norway.

Did you really expect me make a list to include the thousands of demeaning names people have for each other ?

Bravo is obviously spending too much time on the barstool, folks...because all one has to do is READ CAREFULLY AND COMPREHENSIVELY my responses to him, which demand no such list. I just pointed out that Bravo previously didn't preface the Judeo-Christian religions he mentioned with the same derogatory words as he did the others.

so whats your point.....small numbers that belong to ANY of these groups have at one time or another have made veiled threats of violence if they don't get their way, sometimes not so veiled....

Bravo doesn't get the point, which I plainly state. Maybe he's too drunk to get it, or too willfully ignorant, so I'll repeat it in hopes that it will sink in:

... we must all acknowledge the evil that dwells within our own backyard, and make the effort on any level to stamp out or halt it's spread. Remember, the jokes you think are harmless about someone's race or religion or culture that are told among your friends may be taken seriously by one.

..and as we see in Norway, one is all it takes. I see it like this...I don't have to like you or hang out with you or agree with everything you say or do...but so long as you don't break laws or hurt anyone, I do have to give you the same respect and courtesy that I expect to be given. Remember, as children in 1st grade we were taught to share and be nice to each other. Maybe applying those simple rules to the adults in the world might prevent another Norway terror strike.

Oh, and for the record, I made an error....it's the TEA PARTY and not the Tea Bag Party. Peace out.

 

[NOVA]

You wanted me to include Judeo-Christian religions mentioned with the same derogatory words as I did the others. ? I gave you even more....whats the beef...


What you point out is one demeaning term used to ridicule the Tea Party.....(and its origin is irrelevant )
What I point out is numerous demeaning terms used to ridicule many other groups....and its has EVERYTHING to do with the topic....

It has EVERYTHING to do with your original point that " the jokes you think are harmless about someone's race or religion or culture that are told among your friends may be taken seriously by one."
(race, religion, culture, expand your post far beyond the tea party folks)


You seriously limit your point about demeaning others to "jokes"....or race or religion or culture ?...How about politics ? Clothes? Weight ?

Any uncivil demeaning bullshit rhetoric can set the stage for violence and set off an angry person .....the very same kind of uncivil demeaning bullshit rhetoric YOU use here on a regular basis.....which earns the same kind of response from those you demean and ridicule and it escalates from there......so practice what you preach or STFU and leave the sermons for Rev. Al....

You want "willfully ignorant"?....look in any mirror....and re-read your post

 

[poet]

Sorry to burst your anti-Christian bubble, but Islam is still a far greater threat to western civilization than any right-wing extremist Christian. Most Christians are reasonable people. The same cannot be said of most Muslims in some countries. Case in point:

http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/

Does that sound like a free, equitable society to you? Does that sound like a people you can reason with?

Excuse me, but it's no different. Crazy is crazy, whether from the right or the left, the East or the West.

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."- Mohandas Gandhi

 

[Rationalist]

Excuse me, but it's no different. Crazy is crazy, whether from the right or the left, the East or the West.

You're the one who says 40% of the population should be exiled from their own country. Does that sound sane to you?

Oh, and it turns out Breivik isn't very religious at all. His own manifesto states that religious Christianity is superstitious. And yet, the media wasted no time labeling this guy a "fundamentalist Christian." Why do you think they did that, Poet?

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."- Mohandas Gandhi

Gandhi can kiss my ass.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

LOL, how religious does a conservative Christian killer have to be before his fellow believers admit that they share many of his hate-filled thoughts?

• He hates Muslims, Teabaggers hate Muslims.

• He hates Marxism, Teabaggers hate Marxism.

• He hates immigrants, Teabaggers hate immigrants.

• He hates liberals, Teabaggers hate liberals.

• He wants revolution, Teabaggers want revolution.

How are Teabaggers different from the conservative Christian killer?

 

[poet]

You're the one who says 40% of the population should be exiled from their own country. Does that sound sane to you?



In my dreams, you asshole. In my mf'ing dreams...and nowhere else. Damn. I explained what I meant, as hyperbole, and your stupid ass refuses to move on. FU

Oh, and it turns out Breivik isn't very religious at all. His own manifesto states that religious Christianity is superstitious. And yet, the media wasted no time labeling this guy a "fundamentalist Christian." Why do you think they did that, Poet?

Right. Just like the media painted Jared Loughner as a right wing nut job, and all of the conservatives and right wing media was claiming that he was a leftist. It's quite apparent who the real "crazies" are. Fundies. Or as I call 'em, "fake Christians". Christ would come back and spit them out. Nothing Christian about them.
Gandhi can kiss my ass.

Now why would he do that. He is revered world-wide. And nobody knows your name.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Check it out:

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?33811-Enemy-Mine.&p=841076#post841076

With Al Jazeera, international news networks, and domestic networks all raising the link to an Islamic radical Norway was deporting, I put on twitter that the odds were it wasn’t an angry Lutheran doing the bombing and shooting and noted on the radio the possible links to Islamic radicals.

It appears that each of those links followed the general line of thought... right up to the point that they were all proven wrong.

Which means your claim that they are 'still' stating that it has ties to Al Queda is false. People made an ASSUMPTION... that ASSUMPTION was made even by Al Jazeera according to YOUR LINK. But when they found out the truth, WHO continued stating it was still linked to Al Queda????

 

[christiefan915]

Can't resist playing the race card can you....its like second nature to you.....

Maybe its you missing the point.....wearing a head scarf, burka, stoning, circumsision, etc. are all EXCEPTED Muslim pracitces that most civilized people see as their way of enslaving their women and treating them a little more than cattle....all under the umbrella of religious beliefs and religious laws....some pracitces more sinister than others

Muslim men don't stoned...Muslim men don't wear burkas....Muslim men don't get beaten for showing a naked ankle or arm......open you eyes, bro......

Newsflash: headscarves, stoning, circumcision etc. are and were all ACCEPTED practices long before Muhammad was born. Enslaving women is mentioned in the Bible. Muslim, Jewish and Christian men didn't get stoned, beaten etc. because their patriarchal, conservative cultures ALL considered females to be lesser beings than males.

Try and get a clue.

 

[christiefan915]

You gotta be joking.....that website is your basis for pointing out Beck lie....? What bullshit.....I did take a look at it.....
Though I certainly realize Beck makes mistakes and isn't right 100% of the time and some of his opinions aren't accepted by everyone....no one opinions are, are they....
that doesn't make them lies....


First, ....the Web site theroot.com had published a list of the "blackest white folks we know," and it included Beck and Urlacher.

Beck had photos of the group on a board during his show Thursday on Fox News and started to identify the ones he knew. When he came to a picture of Urlacher, who had a very close-cropped hair cut, he said: "I think this guy's a neo-Nazi."....it was a joke you toad....to say he was lying is ludicrous....

and he apoligized when he realized what he said was taken out of context and the joke was taken seriously by the pinheads like you...

With that kind of criteria, I could say Bill Mahar is lying every time he opens his mouth....

Well, well, well. Isn't this interesting: "Though I certainly realize Beck makes mistakes and isn't right 100% of the time..."

When Beck makes mistakes you become his apologist. When Obama makes mistakes you put it in your signature.