Donbas, Kherson and Zaporizhia regions to hold referenda on becoming Russian

[moon]

I do know you are moving the goalposts.

You're trying to cover for your ignorance.

Clearly there were international observers when you claimed there were none.

Show evidence of this claim or withdraw it and stfu.

 

[moon]

The 2019 vote was so overwhelming for Zelinsky that even if every eligible voter in those regions you claimed couldn't had voted, Zelinsky still would have won since he won by over 9 million votes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Ukrainian_presidential_election

So Zelensky's vote was legitimate - as certified by whom ?

You're also neglecting the fact that Zelensky was the third ' president ' to be installed after the coup. What were the results of the previous puppets ?

 

[moon]

You don't suppose that these elections are rigged??????????????????

No more than any others, democracy having been trampled for years, worldwide.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

I stick by ' half of the country ' as an average of today's polls - pernickety as that may appear- and warn you again against calling me a liar , dumbass. You claiming poll results to be ' false ' is laughable, considering your position as a defender of what half the country believes to be a fraudulent election- WHILE HAVING THE NERVE TO CRITICIZE ELECTIONS ELSEWHERE

Haw, haw................................................haw.

I didn't claim the poll results were false. Your link to politifact pointed out that the statement claiming that polls showed 65% thought it was fraudulent was false because the actual polls were at 35%. You didn't read your link. You just claimed as true the false statement that Politifact says is false.

But is it true that more than 65% of the nation still believes the narrative has merit?

No. But a widely shared Facebook claim asserts just as much:

"Over 65% of the country believes that (the) 2020 election was fraudulent. That number was around 35% a year ago," the Jan. 30 post claimed in words above a photo.

This post was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed.

Not only are you a liar. You are a lazy liar that doesn't even bother to check facts.

So, if 40% of the Donbas region votes to stay in Ukraine then you will stand by your logic and claim Donbas voted to remain in the Ukraine? That would be the only way for you to remain consistent.

 

[moon]

The facts are that the breakaway republics are voting on their own futures and NOBODY else . Whichever way they vote must be accepted- or bang another nail into the coffin of any Western diatribe about ' support for self-determination '.

 

[Noking]

No more than any others, democracy having been trampled for years, worldwide.

Now, here's an off the wall reply.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

So Zelensky's vote was legitimate - as certified by whom ?

You're also neglecting the fact that Zelensky was the third ' president ' to be installed after the coup. What were the results of the previous puppets ?

Since Zelinsky was the third President, it becomes even harder for you to claim his election was the result of any coup. You don't quite understand how logic works. The further you get from a coup while holding elections, the less you can claim the result is because of a coup unless you can provide evidence of some fraud in the elections.

So, who will certify that the results in the Donbas are legitimate since you are so worried about that certification?

 

[moon]

' Democracy ' has become the power of the rich to control the media which instructs the demos. Argue all you like- the evidence supports that claim.

 

[moon]

Since Zelinsky was the third President, it becomes even harder for you to claim his election was the result of any coup.

I've never claimed it was DIRECTLY the result of the coup, dumbass. You seem to believe that inventing such claims is somehow...................clever ?



Haw, haw..........................haw.

No figures for the previous results ? Whatever- pro-Russian voters were disenfranchised- and you support that .

Now they're making their feelings felt- and already you don't want to listen. You're a simple-minded pimp for NATO thuggery.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

I stick by ' half of the country ' as an average of today's polls - pernickety as that may appear- and warn you again against calling me a liar , dumbass. You claiming poll results to be ' false ' is laughable, considering your position as a defender of what half the country believes to be a fraudulent election- WHILE HAVING THE NERVE TO CRITICIZE ELECTIONS ELSEWHERE

Haw, haw................................................haw.

So.. provide us with a single poll where half of the country says that. Your links clearly that polls show 35-40% are the highest it has gone.
You are a liar. You are continuing to lie. I didn't claim a poll was false. I pointed out that a statement about polls was false. You simply repeated propaganda that has been proven false. You have been told it was false and yet you continue to stand by the false statement. That clearly makes you a liar.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

The facts are that the breakaway republics are voting on their own futures and NOBODY else . Whichever way they vote must be accepted- or bang another nail into the coffin of any Western diatribe about ' support for self-determination '.

The facts are the Ukraine voted on its own future when they voted in Zelinsky. Why do you think parts of Ukraine don't have to accept that vote but other votes have to be accepted?

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

I've never claimed it was DIRECTLY the result of the coup, dumbass. You seem to believe that inventing such claims is somehow...................clever ?



Haw, haw..........................haw.

No figures for the previous results ? Whatever- pro-Russian voters were disenfranchised- and you support that .

Now they're making their feelings felt- and already you don't want to listen. You're a simple-minded pimp for NATO thuggery.

Since it wasn't the result of the coup, then you are saying that Zelinsky was voted in in a valid election? And under your self determination argument then the Donbas should just accept that.

 

[moon]

I didn't claim the poll results were false. Your link to politifact pointed out that the statement claiming that polls showed 65% thought it was fraudulent was false because the actual polls were at 35%. You didn't read your link. You just claimed as true the false statement that Politifact says is false.

The 65% figure was an example of what people believe and debunking it is just as valid as supporting it. A poll today would likely give a different result to any previous poll- so the claim of 50 % of the country believing the election was illegitimate stands.

Not only are you a liar. You are a lazy liar that doesn't even bother to check facts.

You don't have any clearer an idea of the exact nature of public disbelief than I do , you scurrilous fraud. In fact, based upon the notion that half the country believes in Trump while the other half doesn't is reason enough to put the point at 50/50. Whatever- the US election was/is suspect and it's really quite funny to see you attempting to claim fraud elsewhere. You'll still persist though- it's your slanderous nature.

 

[moon]

Since it wasn't the result of the coup, then you are saying that Zelinsky was voted in in a valid election?

No, you're lying. I didn't say that. Zelensky's election was indirectly related to the coup. Try claiming that it wasn't.

The underlying point is that the democratic UKRAINIANS of the new republics see him as puppet. That's why they broke away. Try claiming otherwise.

 

[moon]

So.. provide us with a single poll where half of the country says that. Your links clearly that polls show 35-40% are the highest it has gone.
You are a liar. You are continuing to lie. I didn't claim a poll was false. I pointed out that a statement about polls was false. You simply repeated propaganda that has been proven false. You have been told it was false and yet you continue to stand by the false statement. That clearly makes you a liar.

Again- you are a scurrilous fraud. One source claiming that another source is incorrect is the basis of your fraud.

The country is split. That split is close to 50/50. Try proving otherwise without an election.

 

[moon]

The facts are the Ukraine voted on its own future when they voted in Zelinsky.

Liar. The pro-Russians were disenfranchised. You are a persistent liar in the face of that fact.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

No, you're lying. I didn't say that. Zelensky's election was indirectly related to the coup. Try claiming that it wasn't.

The underlying point is that the democratic UKRAINIANS of the new republics see him as puppet. That's why they broke away. Try claiming otherwise.

And Putin sees you as a puppet. Try claiming otherwise.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Again- you are a scurrilous fraud. One source claiming that another source is incorrect is the basis of your fraud.

The country is split. That split is close to 50/50. Try proving otherwise without an election.

Except you didn't have a source. You had propaganda. And you provided the source that said the propaganda was false while at the same time you tried to claim the propaganda was true.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Liar. The pro-Russians were disenfranchised. You are a persistent liar in the face of that fact.

So will the pro-Ukranians be disenfranchised when the vote is held while Russian troops are occupying the territory? It is you that is the persistent liar here.

 

[moon]

Kremlin planning for quick annexations

Moscow-engineered referendums are taking place in four occupied regions of Ukraine, with results in favour of annexation seen as a foregone conclusion.
The Kremlin expects the areas to join Russia quickly, as Kyiv and its Western allies dismiss the ballots as a “sham”.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/live...ive-news-moscow-held-regions-begin-referendum