Your 20th consecutive post in a row where you simply cannot give a credible explanation for why Russian military occupation authorities will not let independent international observers monitor your sham referendum.
Donbas, Kherson and Zaporizhia regions to hold referenda on becoming Russian
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Your 20th consecutive post in a row where you simply cannot give a credible explanation for why Russian military occupation authorities will not let independent international observers monitor your sham referendum.
moon
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Horseshit. You don't have a moral position- just Russophobic rhetoric. Let the Ukrainians vote and stfu.
U.N. Confirms War Crimes Committed Against Ukranians, with Moon's blessing
GENEVA — Russian soldiers have raped and tortured children in Ukraine, a United Nations-appointed panel of independent legal experts said in a damning statement on Friday that concluded war crimes had been committed in the conflict.
A three-person Commission of Inquiry set up in April to investigate the conduct of hostilities in four areas of Ukraine laid out the graphic allegations in an unusually hard-hitting, 11-minute statement to the U.N Human Rights Council in Geneva.
“The commission has documented cases in which children have been raped, tortured, and unlawfully confined,” the panel’s chairman, Erik Mose, told the council.
He added: “Children have also been killed and injured in indiscriminate attacks with explosive weapons. The exposure to repeated explosions, crimes, forced displacement and separation from family members deeply affected their well-being and mental health.”
The report added more chilling allegations to the list of crimes widely reported by Ukrainian and international investigators probing the executions of civilians in Bucha and the mass burial site found near the town of Izium after it was recaptured by Ukrainian troops this month.
“Based on the evidence gathered by the Commission, it has concluded that war crimes have been committed in Ukraine,” Mr. Mose said in his statement. He later told reporters that the commission had not yet concluded that violations amounted to crimes against humanity.
The commission found that some Russian troops had committed sexual and gender-based violence, with the victims ranging in age from four years old to 82.
“There are examples of cases where relatives were forced to witness the crimes,” Mr. Mose told the council, noting that the commission was documenting the actions of individual soldiers and had not found any general pattern of sexual violence as a war strategy.
The commission’s findings were based on visits to 27 towns and settlements in the regions of Kyiv, Chernihiv, Kharkiv, and Sumy, and interviews with more than 150 victims and witnesses. Mr. Mose said the experts inspected sites of destruction, graves and places of detention and torture.
“We were struck by the large number of executions in the areas that we visited,” Mr. Mose told the council, noting that common features of such killings included “prior detention, hands tied behind backs, gunshot wounds to the head and slit throats.”
The commission is investigating credible reports of many more executions in 16 towns and settlements, he added.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/09/23/world/russia-ukraine-putin-news
GENEVA — Russian soldiers have raped and tortured children in Ukraine, a United Nations-appointed panel of independent legal experts said in a damning statement on Friday that concluded war crimes had been committed in the conflict.
A three-person Commission of Inquiry set up in April to investigate the conduct of hostilities in four areas of Ukraine laid out the graphic allegations in an unusually hard-hitting, 11-minute statement to the U.N Human Rights Council in Geneva.
“The commission has documented cases in which children have been raped, tortured, and unlawfully confined,” the panel’s chairman, Erik Mose, told the council.
He added: “Children have also been killed and injured in indiscriminate attacks with explosive weapons. The exposure to repeated explosions, crimes, forced displacement and separation from family members deeply affected their well-being and mental health.”
The report added more chilling allegations to the list of crimes widely reported by Ukrainian and international investigators probing the executions of civilians in Bucha and the mass burial site found near the town of Izium after it was recaptured by Ukrainian troops this month.
“Based on the evidence gathered by the Commission, it has concluded that war crimes have been committed in Ukraine,” Mr. Mose said in his statement. He later told reporters that the commission had not yet concluded that violations amounted to crimes against humanity.
The commission found that some Russian troops had committed sexual and gender-based violence, with the victims ranging in age from four years old to 82.
“There are examples of cases where relatives were forced to witness the crimes,” Mr. Mose told the council, noting that the commission was documenting the actions of individual soldiers and had not found any general pattern of sexual violence as a war strategy.
The commission’s findings were based on visits to 27 towns and settlements in the regions of Kyiv, Chernihiv, Kharkiv, and Sumy, and interviews with more than 150 victims and witnesses. Mr. Mose said the experts inspected sites of destruction, graves and places of detention and torture.
“We were struck by the large number of executions in the areas that we visited,” Mr. Mose told the council, noting that common features of such killings included “prior detention, hands tied behind backs, gunshot wounds to the head and slit throats.”
The commission is investigating credible reports of many more executions in 16 towns and settlements, he added.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/09/23/world/russia-ukraine-putin-news
They weren't prevented from watching or assessing the legitimacy of the US election.
International observers do watch the US elections.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-over-what-did-international-observers-think/
ANd your evidence that half of the America doesn't believe the US elections were legitimate?
Let's restrain the lies, shall we?
Hmm.. so your argument is if one part of the country doesn't like the election results we should just let that part vote to no longer be part of that country. So are you willing to let every town and village or every city block in Donbas, Kherson and Zaporizhia vote to leave Russia if Russia takes over those regions?
moon
Satire for Sanity
The OSCE comprises Western country representatives, mostly NATO members. Who else monitors US elections ?
moon
Satire for Sanity
You appear to be neglecting the fact that all of those breakaway regions objected to the US-led coup which overturned their democratically-elected government. They don't have to be ' let '/ allowed to breakaway from what they rightly perceive to be a puppet Ukrainian government- they already have. They have declared themselves independent republics and are no longer part of Zelensky's Ukraine. In democratic terms, THEY are the legitimate Ukrainians.
Neither the Zelenskies, nor NATO, should be interfering with the self-determination of independent republics.
Moving the goalposts now?
So they didn't like the election results in 2015, 2019 and 2020 so that means they can just vote to no longer be part of Ukraine? So what is there to prevent a town in the Donbas from voting to not be part of Russia next year? After all, this referendum would be considered a coup by some.
moon
Satire for Sanity
moon
Satire for Sanity
They were being shelled by Azov Nazis while those elections were taking place, dumbass.
moon
Satire for Sanity
So you don't know. Nothing to be ashamed of, dumbass. I don't know either- but I'm not frit to admit it.
Now let the Ukrainians vote for their own future and stfu.
But you are a liar. You should read your links before you post them since they prove you lied.
35% in not half.
40% is not half.
55% would be more than half.
So there is no doubt that you lied. And calling me an asshole doesn't make your lie stop being a lie.
So, then you agree that any current elections should also be invalid since there is ongoing fighting.
I do know you are moving the goalposts. Clearly there were international observers when you claimed there were none. Now you are simply claiming you don't like the observers that we showed you existed. You should be ashamed of your blatant logical fallacy. But clearly you have no shame when it comes to the way you are willing to use such obviously different standards for Russia compared to the rest of the world.
By your standard, each town in the Donbas should be free to vote whether they want to be part of Russia and any town that votes the prefer Ukraine should be allowed to stay in Ukraine. But that standard every home should be allowed to vote to stay in Ukraine and then allowed to stay if they vote to stay. You have simply divided the country into parts that you know will vote a certain way and then don't allow the same division if the result would not be what you like.
moon
Satire for Sanity
I stick by ' half of the country ' as an average of today's polls - pernickety as that may appear- and warn you again against calling me a liar , dumbass. You claiming poll results to be ' false ' is laughable, considering your position as a defender of what half the country believes to be a fraudulent election- WHILE HAVING THE NERVE TO CRITICIZE ELECTIONS ELSEWHERE
Haw, haw................................................haw.
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You don't suppose that these elections are rigged??????????????????
The 2019 vote was so overwhelming for Zelinsky that even if every eligible voter in those regions you claimed couldn't had voted, Zelinsky still would have won since he won by over 9 million votes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Ukrainian_presidential_election