Donbas, Kherson and Zaporizhia regions to hold referenda on becoming Russian

[moon]

Pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine to hold annexation votes
Separatists in Donbas, Kherson and Zaporizhia regions to hold referendums on joining Russia from September 23 to 27.

Vehicles drive past advertising boards, including panels displaying pro-Russian slogans, in a street in the course of Russia-Ukraine conflict in Luhansk, Ukraine September 20, 2022

Officials in four Russian-controlled regions in eastern and southern Ukraine have said they will hold referendums on becoming part of Russia from September 23 to 27, which could set the stage for Moscow to escalate the war.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/20/pro-russian-separatists-in-ukraine-to-hold-annexation-votes

Don't fret, Zelenskies. If your propaganda diet has any substance then the vote will be ' NO! '

 

[archives]

Now there’s a chuckle, Putin is having an “election,” what kind of odds do you think a book would give on a Putin election? 100 to 0, or + $1,000,000,000?

 

[Cypress]

Don't fret, Zelenskies. If your propaganda diet has any substance then the vote will be ' NO! '

Are independent UN observers invited to assess the legitimacy of the referendum, and if not, why not?

 

[moon]

Are independent UN observers invited to assess the legitimacy of the referendum, and if not, why not?

Were they invited to assess the US election ?

 

[moon]

Four Ukrainian regions are to hold referendums to join Russia in a matter of days, mirroring the move that was taken by the former Ukrainian region of Crimea in 2014 that led to its incorporation into the Russian Federation.

Speaking on Tuesday, the pro-Russian leaders of the eastern regions of Donetsk and Luhansk, the southern region of Kherson, and the southeastern region of Zaporizhzhia announced that they were to hold the votes as soon as Friday, the Associated Press reported.

Also in 2014, Donetsk and Lugansk, which together form the Donbas region, broke away from Ukraine, refusing to recognize a Western-backed Ukrainian government there that had overthrown a democratically-elected Russia-friendly administration.

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/09/20/689564/Ukraine-referendums-Russia

So then- let's see the NATO buffs support ' self-determination ' for Ukrainians.



Haw, haw..............................haw.

 

[Noking]

This demonstrates Putin's desperation.

 

[moon]

Mapping the Ukraine regions ‘voting’ on joining Russia
Russian-backed separatists in Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhia say they plan to hold ‘referendums’ on becoming part of Russia between September 23-27.

Russian-backed separatists in occupied regions in Ukraine say they plan to hold “referendums'” on becoming part of Russia between September 23-27.

Ukraine and its Western allies have condemned the planned referendums which could set the stage for Moscow to escalate its seven-month-old war.

Votes will take place in the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk republics of the Donbas region, which Russian President Vladimir Putin recognised as independent shortly before sending troops into Ukraine in February, according to officials and news agencies.

A vote will also be held in the southern Kherson region that Moscow’s troops captured in the early days of Russia’s offensive in Ukraine, and in the partly Russian-controlled Zaporizhia region.

In a televised address on Wednesday, Putin said: “We support the decision made by the majority of citizens in the people’s republics of Luhansk and Donetsk, in the Kherson and Zaporizhia regions.”

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/21/mapping-the-ukraine-regions-voting-on-joining-russia

Half of America doesn't believe that the US elections were legitimate- so let's restrain the hypocrisy, shall we.

 

[moon]

Russia can defend new regions with nuclear weapons: Medvedev
Putin ally says Ukrainian territories that vote to join Russia will be protected by Moscow as ‘sham’ referendums near.

Dmitry Medvedev, the former Russian president, has said that any weapons in Moscow’s arsenal, including strategic nuclear weapons, could be used to defend territories incorporated into Russia from Ukraine.

Medvedev, the deputy chairman of Russia’s Security Council, also said on Thursday that referendums being organised by Russian-installed and separatist authorities in large swathes of occupied Ukrainian territory will take place, and that “there is no going back”:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022...ew-regions-with-nuclear-weapons-medvedev-says

The US used nuclear bombs half a world away from America- on civilians.
The US also defends Israel's nuclear weapons stocks, Israel being in breach of its UN membership pledges and the Geneva Conventions.

Let's not have any hypocritical ' virtue signalling ' if Russia rolls them out.

 

[moon]

Zelenskies blown up a crowded separatist market in order to discourage referendum voters.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/live...e-live-news-1400-anti-war-protestors-detained

 

[Cypress]

Were they invited to assess the US election ?

Yes, international independent NGOs are routinely invited to observe American elections.


But with your dodge, you purposefully failed to give a credible explanation for why the Russian military occupation authorities and their collaborators are not allowing independent international observers to monitor your elections in occupied territories.

Why won't they?

 

[moon]

Yes, international independent NGOs are routinely invited to observe American elections.

Which attended the 2020 farce and where are their reports ?

 

[Cypress]

Which attended the 2020 farce and where are their reports ?

So you can't explain why the Russian military and collaborators will not allow independent UN observers to monitor the referendum in the occupied territories.

The fact that you have no answer speaks volumes.

 

[Cypress]

So you can't explain why the Russian military and collaborators will not allow independent UN observers to monitor the referendum in the occupied territories.

The fact that you have no answer speaks volumes.

International Monitors Arrive in the U S. For the Nov. 3 Elections

The major international body for monitoring elections, the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, has begun observing the lead-up to the United States Nov. 3 general elections at the invitation of the US State Department

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pa...tors-arrive-in-the-us-for-the-nov-3-poll/amp/

 

[Cypress]

Moon loves this war, and would bleed Russians dry if it scored message board points.

But today in Russia...

"Send Putin to the trenches!"

Over 1,300 people were detained across Russia on Wednesday at rallies against the military mobilization announced earlier in the day by President Vladimir Putin.

In the capital Moscow, several hundred people gathered amid heavy police presence. Protesters chanted “No war!” “Send Putin to the trenches!” and “Let our children live!”

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022...-putins-ukraine-mobilization-in-photos-a78860

"I don't want to be cannon fodder!"

Thousands of conscription-age Russian men appeared to be attempting to flee the country Wednesday as others planned how to avoid being sent to the front after President Vladimir Putin declared a partial military mobilization for the war in Ukraine.

“I don't want to be cannon fodder,” one 30-year-old Muscovite who asked for anonymity to speak freely told The Moscow Times.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022...and-fear-as-russia-begins-mobilization-a78853

 

[moon]

So you can't explain why the Russian military and collaborators will not allow independent UN observers to monitor the referendum in the occupied territories.

The fact that you have no answer speaks volumes.

You're simply avoiding the question because you don't have a clue as to whether the US elections were monitored or not.
It's fair to assume that you don't know if the Ukrainian referenda will be monitored either.
Whatever- referenda are what the Ukrainians want- and your opinion as to their validity is meaningless.

 

[Cypress]

You're simply avoiding the question because you don't have a clue as to whether the US elections were monitored or not.
It's fair to assume that you don't know if the Ukrainian referenda will be monitored either.
Whatever- referenda are what the Ukrainians want- and your opinion as to their validity is meaningless.

I asked the question first, and all you've done is dodge, bob, weave, and tap dance like a little pussy rather than admit the referendum is not monitored by any neutral referees.

The United States DOES invite independent international election observers to monitor our elections, proof as follows>>

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...ion-mission-reveals-all&p=5295475#post5295475

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...da-on-becoming-Russian&p=5295312#post5295312a

You have spent this entire thread refusing to explain why the Russian military occupation authorities and their collaborators are afraid to invite independent international election observers to monitor the so called referendum on the occupied territories.

Why aren't they?

 

[moon]

I asked the question first, and all you've done is dodge, bob, weave, and tap dance like a little pussy rather than admit the referendum is not monitored by any neutral referees.

The United States DOES invite independent international election observers to monitor our elections, proof as follows>>

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...ion-mission-reveals-all&p=5295475#post5295475

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...da-on-becoming-Russian&p=5295312#post5295312a

You have spent this entire thread refusing to explain why the Russian military occupation authorities and their collaborators are afraid to invite independent international election observers to monitor the so called referendum on the occupied territories.

Why aren't they?

Perhaps they will be monitored, dumbass. You don't know and neither do I. Your self-righteous preening is ridiculous.
For sure, however, if they ARE monitored then it will NOT be by any NATO-based monitoring group and you will be expected to accept the results of any pro-Russian organization.

Whatever- your opinion on the validity of the referenda will be meaningless

 

[Cypress]

Perhaps they will be monitored, dumbass. You don't know and neither do I. Your self-righteous preening is ridiculous.
For sure, however, if they ARE monitored then it will NOT be by any NATO-based monitoring group and you will be expected to accept the results of any pro-Russian organization.

Whatever- your opinion on the validity of the referenda will be meaningless

You were wrong that the United States doesn't allow independent election observers. It didn't even occur to you that United States invites observers.

It raises the question what else are you wrong about.

The United States DOES invite independent election monitors to observe our elections.

You have spent an ENTIRE thread frantically running away from offering a credible explanation for why Russian occupation authorities will not invite independent international election observers to witness your sham referendum.

 

[moon]

You were wrong that the United States doesn't allow independent election observers.

I've told you previously- your efforts to fabricate claims by others are transparent.

The United States DOES invite independent election monitors to observe our elections.

You were asked to name the monitors. You scuttled. Do it now.

You have spent an ENTIRE thread frantically running away from offering a credible explanation for why Russian occupation authorities will not invite independent international election observers to witness your sham referendum.

Yet again- you don't know the first thing about how these referenda will be conducted- and if it turns out that they are monitored by an organisation that you don't like then your protests will be meaningless.
See if you can retain that information this time around.

 

[moon]

Four regions begin referendums on secession from Ukraine

Four areas of Ukraine controlled by Russia and pro-Moscow forces started their referendums on Friday on seceding from the eastern European country and joining the Russian federation.

Voting is being held in the breakaway republics of Luhansk and Donetsk – already controlled by pro-Russia separatists and recognized by Moscow – as well as in the southern provinces of Kherson and Zaporizhia and will continue until September 27.

"All of us have been waiting for a referendum on joining Russia for 8 long years," said Leonid Pasechnik, the Russian-backed leader of Luhansk. "We have already become part of Russia. There remains only a small matter – to win (the war)."

"We are returning home," said the Russian-backed leader of Donetsk, Denis Pushilin. "Donbas is Russia."

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/...dums-in-4-Ukrainian-regions-on-joining-Russia

Now suppose we all keep schtum and let these people decide what they want .

You can't support ' self-determination ' for Ukraine and deny it to Donbas, Kherson and Zaporizhia - and Palestine.

Well- not without being scolded for rank hypocrisy.