Donald Trump might be more popular than you think (Politico)

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Once again, there's evidence suggesting traditional polls aren't accurately measuring support for the president and his policies.

Just how popular is Donald Trump? Two weeks into the new president’s term, it’s a matter of some dispute.

Traditional phone polls that use live interviewers — including some of the most trusted polls in politics and media — report limited support for Trump and the controversial executive orders he’s signed. But automated phone and Internet-based surveys tell a different story. Once the element of anonymity is added, the president’s approval ratings suddenly look a lot better.

It’s reigniting the campaign debate over whether pollsters are accurately measuring Trump’s popularity — or the breadth of support for his policies. The White House is already seizing on the issue, and forcefully pushing back against the early narrative that the president is suffering from historically bad polling numbers.

In referring to an automated poll that put the president’s popularity in the black, Spicer actually understated Trump’s level of support. According to Rasmussen Reports’ most recent survey released Friday, 54 percent of likely voters approved of the president’s job performance.

The debate is a flashback to last fall’s election — in which Trump ran ahead of his poll numbers, particularly in the Upper Midwest states that propelled him to victory. And just like during the campaign season, there’s evidence suggesting that Americans may be less willing to admit they support the president and his actions if they are talking to another person on the phone, compared to polls completed with the anonymity of the internet or an automated phone interface.

“I think you’re getting two things,” said John McLaughlin, a Republican pollster who worked for Trump during the campaign. “One, the online surveys, people are more likely to put in an honest answer because they’re not speaking to a human being.”

Want to read something that will really blow your nips off? Who does this sound like to you?:

McLaughlin notes there are other differences. Some polls, like Rasmussen Reports, survey likely voters, though it isn’t clear in which election the respondents are likely to vote. The POLITICO/Morning Consult poll is conducted among registered voters, while Gallup and CNN/ORC survey all adults.

Generally, polls of all adults are more Democratic-leaning, while likely-voter polls tilt more toward Republicans. Self-identified Republicans have been more likely to turn out in recent elections than their counterparts in the other party.

“A poll of all adults about the new administration will tell you what a possible electorate will look like if everyone showed up,” McLaughlin said. “But they don’t.”

^^^^LMAO how many times have I said like the exact words above? It's like they literally opened up JPP and quoted me. Once again, Politics Expert grind holds the hand of the retarded JPP neanderthals that don't understand polling data.

Continuing on:
Trump’s average approval rating in live-caller surveys is only 41 percent, with 49 percent disapproving. But averaging together the five most recent internet or automated phone calls yields a 48-percent approval rating for Trump, with 46 percent disapproval.

This week’s POLITICO/Morning Consult poll, conducted over the internet, was among the most positive for Trump: 49 percent of registered voters approved of his job performance, while only 41 percent disapproved.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/donald-trump-popularity-polling-234630
 
I think with all the cell phone harassment with people cloning numbers, at least where I am, have made me totally unwilling to answer most calls on my cell if they aren't numbers I recognize.

I participate solely in Internet polls.
 
Trump is a classic horse's arse.

If you actually "like" Trump, it's time for some self-reflection. Hoping he can shake things up and maybe be good for a re-set? Fine. But liking him?

That's an issue. The man is not likeable.
 
Trump is a classic horse's arse.

If you actually "like" Trump, it's time for some self-reflection. Hoping he can shake things up and maybe be good for a re-set? Fine. But liking him?

That's an issue. The man is not likeable.


Do you know him personally?

Have you met and spent time with him?

Or: are you one of those Liberal/Progressive/Marxist/Statist/Fascists from the Left who think they are ace mind readers?

For people who aren't mind readers: it is nearly impossible to make such a judgement via the lense of the upside down media, and the public media persona Trump has created, (IMHO).

I find him quite entertaining and he really does have serious energy fer a 70 year old, (or for anyone of any age as a matter of fact), and I never watched "The Apprentice".
 
I never watched The Apprentice, either. Every other public appearance of him that I have seen leads me to conclude that he's a major douchebag - especially the primary.
 
Trump is a classic horse's arse.

If you actually "like" Trump, it's time for some self-reflection. Hoping he can shake things up and maybe be good for a re-set? Fine. But liking him?

That's an issue. The man is not likeable.

he's 100% likeable to me. He's got charisma and charm, he sticks it to the corrupt media, trolls people, he's hilarious.
 
I think I was the first to coin the phrase 'reverse Obama effect' in describing Trump's polls.

Obama was personally popular but his policies sucked. How else can you explain the massive loss of democrat seats over the last 8 years?

With Trump it's just the opposite: even many people who voted for him wish he'd stay off Twitter, not get into spats with Arnold or make jokes at the National Prayer Breakfast; yet, so many of his proposals are popular.

The theory explains the discrepancy in the polls. It's like when God anointed an asses jaw and David went onto slay the Philistines with it in the OT lol.

Trump is just an instrument. The movement is what the democrats need to be wary of. It won't go away when Trump is gone. Whenever that happens.
 
Trump is a classic horse's arse.

If you actually "like" Trump, it's time for some self-reflection. Hoping he can shake things up and maybe be good for a re-set? Fine. But liking him?

That's an issue. The man is not likeable.
Thats not true. Trump is a lot like Grind and we all know how lovable Grind is.
 
Yes, ignore the polls. All the polls are biased. It's going to be fun taking you by surprise in 2018 when you're 30 points behind in the polls and ignoring it because you're sure they're all biased.
 
I think I was the first to coin the phrase 'reverse Obama effect' in describing Trump's polls.

Obama was personally popular but his policies sucked. How else can you explain the massive loss of democrat seats over the last 8 years?

With Trump it's just the opposite: even many people who voted for him wish he'd stay off Twitter, not get into spats with Arnold or make jokes at the National Prayer Breakfast; yet, so many of his proposals are popular.

The theory explains the discrepancy in the polls. It's like when God anointed an asses jaw and David went onto slay the Philistines with it in the OT lol.

Trump is just an instrument. The movement is what the democrats need to be wary of. It won't go away when Trump is gone. Whenever that happens.

The party in power generally loses power while they're in power.

Obama lost more than usual, but pushing Obamacare through was a huge push left; very natural that the country would want to swing back right (even though most want universal healthcare).

And it will be the same w/ Trump - he is swinging the country much more right than the average Republican. If he actually does get to appoint 2-3 Scalias to the court? If Roe gets overturned? If we're building walls, dismantling environmental regulations and restricting all kinds of liberty?

Yeah...I'm sure the Republicans would continue to pick up seats when that happens.
 
Automated polls are automatically biased towards conservatives because only the enthusiastic usually answer such polls. Since Trump supporters are fanatically Trump jihadists, to whom the single most important thing in their pathetic life is not living next to a brown person, they always answer such polls. Sane people don't.
 
LMAO how many times have I said like the exact words above? It's like they literally opened up JPP and quoted me. Once again, Politics Expert grind holds the hand of the retarded JPP neanderthals that don't understand polling data.

Approval polls have always been conducted in this manner. You want Trump judged by a special standard. Just like Obama was the first president in history who's economic performance wasn't supposed to be judged by the CPI or U3 unemployment rate, you had to make up special metrics which of course always just happened to paint things in a worse light.
 
I think I was the first to coin the phrase 'reverse Obama effect' in describing Trump's polls.

Obama was personally popular but his policies sucked. How else can you explain the massive loss of democrat seats over the last 8 years?

With Trump it's just the opposite: even many people who voted for him wish he'd stay off Twitter, not get into spats with Arnold or make jokes at the National Prayer Breakfast; yet, so many of his proposals are popular.

The theory explains the discrepancy in the polls. It's like when God anointed an asses jaw and David went onto slay the Philistines with it in the OT lol.

Trump is just an instrument. The movement is what the democrats need to be wary of. It won't go away when Trump is gone. Whenever that happens.
yep. Obama was a smooth talker/metrosexual type of urbane wit. Give him props for that..
TrumpSpeak needs a decoding- there are times I cringe at his language.

But all I care about is outcomes and while I give Obama credit for the stimulus ( no matter how poorly implemented) there is much to damn him.

Thank gawd Hillary lost! It would have been her SHRIEKING coupled with more Obama policies! *shudder*
 
he's 100% likeable to me. He's got charisma and charm, he sticks it to the corrupt media, trolls people, he's hilarious.

You like him because you're a fascist. Just like you would've gladly bent the knee to Hitler in WWII and became a fanatical Nazi. That's the core of libertarianism.
 
Only the true socialists stay strong against the fascists in the time of struggle. The conservatives, liberals, libertarians, all bend the knee. Only the left is untainted by the guilt of fascism, all other ideologies are just fascism or fascist apologists.
 
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