Do you think they have much on Comey?

[Phyllis Diller]

The interesting part of the indictment is that it does not contain an actual quote that it claims is a lie. It is a "general indictment", which makes it defective. So how do you think Comey lied about the Steele Dossier? Remember, we need an exact quote.


If they did, they would have an exact quote to indict him with...


A trial of him alone will have people turning on each other? Does Comey have multiple personalities?


Or considerably more when he sues the DOJ for false prosecution.


trump ordered her firing, because he hated her father. She is now suing the DOJ over her firing.


Comey twice denied authorizing a leak from someone "at the FBI." According to McCabe, Comey knew about his leak after the fact, which is different from authorizing it. Richman was an outside consultant, so not technically at the FBI. Given that Comey admitted to having Richman release documents in the same testimony that he denied having someone "at the FBI" release documents shows that he considered Richman not to be at the FBI.

So your claims really fall apart. They might be able to find something against Comey in his testimony about Clinton. But, then you would have a trial for the better part of a year about how Comey cheated to get trump elected in the first place... Not what trump wants.


No, you have one witness that Comey leaked to the press. Richman, his friend from law school, says that Comey gave him documents to release to the press. You know who else says that? Comey. So it is not lying to Congress.


In the USA, it is impossible to be charged with a felony without first being indicted by a grand jury. So everyone associated with trump charged with a felony was indicted by a grand jury first.


Based on the win rate for federal prosecutors who refused to take this case, because it was a certain loser?


Or will win a huge wrongful prosecution verdict, and walk away very rich?


They cannot find a crime covering the leaking, so that is not part of the crime. Lying to Congress is a crime. There is no one who has publicly provided any evidence of Comey lying. Maybe there is some secret evidence, but...

The indictment needed to involve a specific crime, which in this case would have meant a specific quote. That no one is able to give a specific quote means that the indictment may well be voided as defective. Given that the statute of limitations has run out, there will be no more indictments on the subject.




So Comey testified to Congress he released the document through Richman... To prove a lie, you would have to prove he did not do that. Remember, you are trying to prove that Comey lied to Congress, not that he had Richman release the document.


Violating a policy gets someone fired... Not prosecuted. You need to prove a crime to get Comey sent to prison, not a violation of policy.


No she was not. A much older lawyer at her same level said he wanted to fire her for not doing his job for him, but he did not have authority to do such. She was well recommended by the lead Watergate council, and was not fired.


EXACTLY!!! There needs to be a specific quote to begin with.


What is your evidence that is a lie?


If that were a crime, you would have a case... The crime accused here is lying to Congress, so you need to prove Comey lied when he said he released the file through his friend.


Baker was never at the FBI, so that would not prove lying to Congress. Remember that you are trying to prove that Comey lied to Congress about not leaking through people at the FBI.


And yet you cannot find any evidence?

he lied about the steele dossier being used to justify russiagate.

Now he's going to jail.

 

[Walt]

he lied about the steele dossier being used to justify russiagate.

So what exactly did he say to Congress about the Steele Dossier that was a lie?

 

[Phyllis Diller]

Somewhere along the line you forgot what Comey is accused of. He is accused of lying to Congress. He made that statement to Congress. Are you saying that statement is a lie?

Comey is upfront and honest about something he would probably not want to admit. It is evidence for the defense, not the prosecution.

he lied about the Steele dossier to congress.

the leak is another issue.

your conflating, because you are a dumb liar.

 

[Walt]

he lied about the Steele dossier to congress.

How so? Can you give an exact quote? The first step here would be to provide an exact quote, and then provide proof that quote is a lie. You are just providing your general feelings here.

the leak is another issue.

Comey has not been charged with leaking, and there does not even seem to be a law against it. So back to the actual charges of lying to Congress, how did he lie to Congress?

 

[Phyllis Diller]

How so? Can you give an exact quote? The first step here would be to provide an exact quote, and then provide proof that quote is a lie. You are just providing your general feelings here.

no. do your own research.

Comey has not been charged with leaking, and there does not even seem to be a law against it. So back to the actual charges of lying to Congress, how did he lie to Congress?

right.

its about lying about the FAKE Steele Dossier.

or you can tell me what its about.

the leaking is a separate phenomenon, (that's what she said)

 

[Walt]

its about lying about the FAKE Steele Dossier.

They got one indictment on lying to Congress before the statute of limitations ran out, so you get to prosecute him on one lie. If it is all about lying about the Steele Dossier, then you need to come up with the one lie Comey made to Congress about it. Remember, it needs to be an exact quote.

 

[Phyllis Diller]

They got one indictment on lying to Congress before the statute of limitations ran out, so you get to prosecute him on one lie. If it is all about lying about the Steele Dossier, then you need to come up with the one lie Comey made to Congress about it. Remember, it needs to be an exact quote.

he said it was not used to justify their investigation into "Russiagate", but it was.

if you want the exact quote you can go get it, but this is what's happening, idiot.

 

[Damocles]

The interesting part of the indictment is that it does not contain an actual quote that it claims is a lie. It is a "general indictment", which makes it defective. So how do you think Comey lied about the Steele Dossier? Remember, we need an exact quote.


If they did, they would have an exact quote to indict him with...


A trial of him alone will have people turning on each other? Does Comey have multiple personalities?


Or considerably more when he sues the DOJ for false prosecution.


trump ordered her firing, because he hated her father. She is now suing the DOJ over her firing.


Comey twice denied authorizing a leak from someone "at the FBI." According to McCabe, Comey knew about his leak after the fact, which is different from authorizing it. Richman was an outside consultant, so not technically at the FBI. Given that Comey admitted to having Richman release documents in the same testimony that he denied having someone "at the FBI" release documents shows that he considered Richman not to be at the FBI.

So your claims really fall apart. They might be able to find something against Comey in his testimony about Clinton. But, then you would have a trial for the better part of a year about how Comey cheated to get trump elected in the first place... Not what trump wants.


No, you have one witness that Comey leaked to the press. Richman, his friend from law school, says that Comey gave him documents to release to the press. You know who else says that? Comey. So it is not lying to Congress.


In the USA, it is impossible to be charged with a felony without first being indicted by a grand jury. So everyone associated with trump charged with a felony was indicted by a grand jury first.


Based on the win rate for federal prosecutors who refused to take this case, because it was a certain loser?


Or will win a huge wrongful prosecution verdict, and walk away very rich?


They cannot find a crime covering the leaking, so that is not part of the crime. Lying to Congress is a crime. There is no one who has publicly provided any evidence of Comey lying. Maybe there is some secret evidence, but...

The indictment needed to involve a specific crime, which in this case would have meant a specific quote. That no one is able to give a specific quote means that the indictment may well be voided as defective. Given that the statute of limitations has run out, there will be no more indictments on the subject.




So Comey testified to Congress he released the document through Richman... To prove a lie, you would have to prove he did not do that. Remember, you are trying to prove that Comey lied to Congress, not that he had Richman release the document.


Violating a policy gets someone fired... Not prosecuted. You need to prove a crime to get Comey sent to prison, not a violation of policy.


No she was not. A much older lawyer at her same level said he wanted to fire her for not doing his job for him, but he did not have authority to do such. She was well recommended by the lead Watergate council, and was not fired.


EXACTLY!!! There needs to be a specific quote to begin with.


What is your evidence that is a lie?


If that were a crime, you would have a case... The crime accused here is lying to Congress, so you need to prove Comey lied when he said he released the file through his friend.


Baker was never at the FBI, so that would not prove lying to Congress. Remember that you are trying to prove that Comey lied to Congress about not leaking through people at the FBI.


And yet you cannot find any evidence?

Lying to congress is a crime.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

You wanted the info? You deal with it.
The current government has read it and is proceeeding, dickneck.
You wanted evidence? You got fucking evidence now. If you want to prove it wrong, feel free to try.

I can't wait until the government's lawyer makes that argument in court to the jury. Go read the fucking 600 pages to find out he's guilty!

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Lying to congress is a crime.

Not really. Lying to congress is a crime if it is relevant to what Congress is doing. Lying about what you had for breakfast wouldn't be a crime.

If we accept that any lie told to Congress is a crime then we should see at least 3 Supreme Court justices indicted for lies told during their confirmation hearings.

The reality is in order for the "lie" to be a crime. You have to prove it is a lie and you have to prove the person who told the lie knew it was a lie at the time they told it. In order to prove the lie the answer and the question can't be ambiguous.

 

[Damocles]

Not really. Lying to congress is a crime if it is relevant to what Congress is doing. Lying about what you had for breakfast wouldn't be a crime.

If we accept that any lie told to Congress is a crime then we should see at least 3 Supreme Court justices indicted for lies told during their confirmation hearings.

The reality is in order for the "lie" to be a crime. You have to prove it is a lie and you have to prove the person who told the lie knew it was a lie at the time they told it. In order to prove the lie the answer and the question can't be ambiguous.

Right, he was testifying under oath. Lying to congress in that circumstance, and about the subject they were investigating, is a crime. I don't think I really needed to explain it to that detail because folks here pay more attention to things than that. Trying to pretend that he's somehow not subject to that stricture is absurd.

The reality is lying to congress while under oath and during an investigation is a crime, you and I both know that is what we are talking about here so your attempt to dance away is just childish nonsense, blather really.

 

[Phyllis Diller]

They got one indictment on lying to Congress before the statute of limitations ran out, so you get to prosecute him on one lie. If it is all about lying about the Steele Dossier, then you need to come up with the one lie Comey made to Congress about it. Remember, it needs to be an exact quote.

works for me.

he said it was not used to justify the Russiagate investigation about trump.

but it was used to justify russiagate.


if you want the exact quote you can go eat a bag of dicks.

 

[zymurgy]

Somewhere along the line you forgot what Comey is accused of. He is accused of lying to Congress. He made that statement to Congress. Are you saying that statement is a lie?

Comey is upfront and honest about something he would probably not want to admit. It is evidence for the defense, not the prosecution.

accused of two things actually. lying and obstruction of justice

prosecutors claim he obstructed a congressional investigation into the disclosure of sensitive information by denying that he authorized someone at the FBI to act as an anonymous source, asserting that statement was false. AP News+4Department of Justice+4Department of Justice+4


Under U.S. law, this is framed under 18 U.S.C. § 1505, which criminalizes corruptly influencing, obstructing, or impeding a congressional inquiry or its processes.

 

[Jarod]

Somewhere along the line you forgot what Comey is accused of. He is accused of lying to Congress. He made that statement to Congress. Are you saying that statement is a lie?

Comey is upfront and honest about something he would probably not want to admit. It is evidence for the defense, not the prosecution.

1) Is that the part of the prior evidence he was standing by?

3) Did he remember he had said that…. “Mens Rea”?

4) was there a formal way to “authorize a leak”. Did Comey do that?

5) is releasing what Comey’s friend released a leak?

I have more questions, but that’s off the top of my head.

 

[QP!]

Right, he was testifying under oath. Lying to congress in that circumstance, and about the subject they were investigating, is a crime. I don't think I really needed to explain it to that detail because folks here pay more attention to things than that. Trying to pretend that he's somehow not subject to that stricture is absurd.

The reality is lying to congress while under oath and during an investigation is a crime, you and I both know that is what we are talking about here so your attempt to dance away is just childish nonsense, blather really.

What lie are you trying to represent Comey told COngress?

Surely you are not so far down in a magat media bubble that you do not know that the claimed "ted Cruz claim of a lie' was debunked and made in error as i have show prior?

 

[QP!]

accused of two things actually. lying and obstruction of justice

prosecutors claim he obstructed a congressional investigation into the disclosure of sensitive information by denying that he authorized someone at the FBI to act as an anonymous source, asserting that statement was false. AP News+4Department of Justice+4Department of Justice+4


Under U.S. law, this is framed under 18 U.S.C. § 1505, which criminalizes corruptly influencing, obstructing, or impeding a congressional inquiry or its processes.

Quote the "lie statement" by Comey because to be accused of lying and to use that as an basis of an obstruction charge there must be quotable statement?


Why is this question not being answered by you magats? Surely you must know what the "lie statement" is as it is so core to any charges that there simply cannot be charges without a clear quotable statement.

 

[Yakuda]

Considering prosecutors resigned rather than producing this case, does anyone believe they have good evidence?

What do you think are the chances of a conviction? We haven’t seen the evidence yet, but we will… any thoughts?

I’m wondering if the Defense will use Trumps stated desire to get his preceded “enemies” will be used as a part of Comey’s defense.

Who cares? Fuck comey. Fuck every leftist

 

[Jarod]

Who cares? Fuck comey. Fuck every leftist

Comey has always been a Republican

 

[QP!]

1) Is that the part of the prior evidence he was standing by?

3) Did he remember he had said that…. “Mens Rea”?

4) was there a formal way to “authorize a leak”. Did Comey do that?

5) is releasing what Comey’s friend released a leak?

I have more questions, but that’s off the top of my head.

I want us to be clear, as we can all read the indictment ( I did) as it is very short.

This indictment is about the Ted Cruz claim. That either Comey or McCabe "have to be lying as both cannot be telling the truth".

That is an absolute error by Cruz and in fact both ARE telling the truth in their accounts and what Comey said to Congress was 100% true and accurate.

QP: (prior summary)
For those who will not read the above, this line by Cruz, from above, if indeed ends up being the basis for this Prosecution is proven to be inaccurate.

"...Now, what Mr. McCabe is saying and what you testified to cannot both be true. One or the other is false. Who’s telling the truth?”..." Ted Cruz

Ted Cruz is absolutely wrong in his conclusion as both things can be true and by the testimony given both were true. McCabe used his discretion based on things within his power to release the information, and then informed Comey after the fact, once it was done and Comey replied 'ok' since that was within McCabe's duties and powers to do.

So being 'ok' with what was done after the fact is NOT authorizing it being done in advance, as Cruz wrongly asserted.

 

[Yakuda]

Comey has always been a Republican

I don't give a fuck.