Do we understand yet why it's hard for assault victims to go public?

tsuke said:
it all depends on your evidence. If you have your testimony plus i believe it was 6 or 10? corroborating witnesses as the media claimed then I would be highly skeptical of you because you would have filed suit already if your case was that strong and walked away with a multimillion dollar settlement at least.
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How do you get witnesses to defend you, whether you're the accuser or the accused from alleged conduct that was supposed to have happened 30 years ago, ....events that happened between 2 people that are the only ones present...

Trumps witnesses that came to his defense were just personally attacked too....the fact that its 30 years later, during an election campaign raises suspicious in itself....
Partisans will believe the version of events, without proof either way, that support their side....
 
NOVA said:
And just as mystifying that it's the lefties who hate Trump that think it was ok to vilify those making serious allegations against Bill then....saying why did they wait....

But at least they didn't wait thirty years when its literally impossible to defend yourself against the accusations, especially when the media presents those charges as if they are true.....that proof isn't necessary...

how would YOU defend yourself if someone came out now and accused you of improper conduct that supposedly happened 30 years ago....
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Yet your party is blaming Hillary for something her husband did 30 years ago, using the stupid reason that somehow she "enabled" him.

So explain why it is that Hillary's an enabler but Ivana, Marla and Melania are not.
 
cawacko said:
See, this is just a pawn in a political battle. It's not about women it's about using the issue
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The pawnage started because Trump couldn't stop himself from bringing up Bill Clinton's women from three decades ago. Not to mention, he was actually on Bill's side at the time.
 
christiefan915 said:
The pawnage started because Trump couldn't stop himself from bringing up Bill Clinton's women from three decades ago. Not to mention, he was actually on Bill's side at the time.
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It gets brought up because Hillary claimed women should be believed who claim they had been abused and her actions belie those words
 
Could Clinton seriously defend himself from some of these accusers..?
Obviously not, and I wouldn't expect him too.....the first one is supposed to have occurred 47 years ago and Clinton didn't deny sex with women....
Would any left believe these women....?....not a chance.


  • Eileen Wellstone, 19-year-old English woman who said Clinton sexually assaulted her after she met him at a pub near the Oxford where the future President was a student in 1969. A retired State Department employee, who asked not to be identified, confirmed that he spoke with the family of the girl and filed a report with his superiors. Clinton admitted having sex with the girl, but claimed it was consensual. The victim's family declined to pursue the case;
  • In 1972, a 22-year-old woman told campus police at Yale University that she was sexually assaulted by Clinton, a law student at the college. No charges were filed, but retired campus policemen contacted by Capitol Hill Blue confirmed the incident. The woman, tracked down by Capitol Hill Blue last week, confirmed the incident, but declined to discuss it further and would not give permission to use her name;
  • In 1974, a female student at the University of Arkansas complained that then-law school instructor Bill Clinton tried to prevent her from leaving his office during a conference. She said he groped her and forced his hand inside her blouse. She complained to her faculty advisor who confronted Clinton, but Clinton claimed the student ''came on'' to him. The student left the school shortly after the incident. Reached at her home in Texas, the former student confirmed the incident, but declined to go on the record with her account. Several former students at the University have confirmed the incident in confidential interviews and said there were other reports of Clinton attempting to force himself on female students;
  • Broaddrick, a volunteer in Clinton's gubernatorial campaign, said he raped her in 1978. Mrs. Broaddrick suffered a bruised and torn lip, which she said she suffered when Clinton bit her during the rape;
  • From 1978-1980, during Clinton's first term as governor of Arkansas, state troopers assigned to protect the governor were aware of at least seven complaints from women who said Clinton forced, or attempted to force, himself on them sexually. One retired state trooper said in an interview that the common joke among those assigned to protect Clinton was "who's next?". One former state trooper said other troopers would often escort women to the governor's hotel room after political events, often more than one an evening;
  • Carolyn Moffet, a legal secretary in Little Rock in 1979, said she met then-governor Clinton at a political fundraiser and shortly thereafter received an invitation to meet the governor in his hotel room. "I was escorted there by a state trooper. When I went in, he was sitting on a couch, wearing only an undershirt. He pointed at his penis and told me to suck it. I told him I didn't even do that for my boyfriend and he got mad, grabbed my head and shoved it into his lap. I pulled away from him and ran out of the room."
  • Elizabeth Ward, the Miss Arkansas who won the Miss America crown in 1982, told friends she was forced by Clinton to have sex with him shortly after she won her state crown. Last year, Ward, who is now married with the last name of Gracen (from her first marriage), told an interviewer she did have sex with Clinton but said it was consensual. Close friends of Ward, however, say she still maintains privately that Clinton forced himself on her.
  • Paula Corbin, an Arkansas state worker, filed a sexual harassment case against Clinton after an encounter in a Little Rock hotel room where the then-governor exposed himself and demanded oral sex. Clinton settled the case with Jones recently with an $850,000 cash payment.
  • Sandra Allen James, a former Washington, DC, political fundraiser says Presidential candidate-to-be Clinton invited her to his hotel room during a political trip to the nation's capital in 1991, pinned her against the wall and stuck his hand up her dress. She says she screamed loud enough for the Arkansas State Trooper stationed outside the hotel suite to bang on the door and ask if everything was all right, at which point Clinton released her and she fled the room. When she reported the incident to her boss, he advised her to keep her mouth shut if she wanted to keep working. Miss James has since married and left Washington. Reached at her home last week, the former Miss James said she later learned that other women suffered the same fate at Clinton's hands when he was in Washington during his Presidential run.
  • Christy Zercher, a flight attendant on Clinton's leased campaign plane in 1992, says Presidential candidate Clinton exposed himself to her, grabbed her breasts and made explicit remarks about oral sex. A video shot on board the plane by ABC News shows an obviously inebriated Clinton with his hand between another young flight attendant's legs. Zercher said later in an interview that White House attorney Bruce Lindsey tried to pressure her into not going public about the assault.
  • Kathleen Willey, a White House volunteer, reported that Clinton grabbed her, fondled her breast and pressed her hand against his genitals during an Oval Office meeting in November, 1993. Willey, who told her story in a 60 Minutes interview, became a target of a White House-directed smear campaign after she went public.
 
christiefan915 said:
I'm not sure what you're getting at. The statute of limitations on sexual harassment is very short, less than a year. But for sexual assault in NYC, there is no statute. If you were an average person trying to sue a self-described billionaire, he could afford to keep the case going in perpetuity but you couldn't. Not to mention the self-described billionaire could destroy your character and reputation. Even the wives of the self-described billionaire are afraid to talk about him publicly.
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So after decades, the reasons have changed??
The case couldn't still be kept going in perpetuity?
Their character and reputation couldn't still be destroyed, above and beyond the damage they've done to it themselves?
Why wouldn't they still be afraid to talk about him publically?
 
christiefan915 said:
His reliance on the "state troopers" makes me laugh. They were crooked as a dog's hind leg.

In his 2002 book, Blinded by the Right, Brock claimed that in order to maintain journalistic integrity, he agreed to write the Troopergate article only if the four troopers whom he interviewed were not paid. In 1998, a conservative fundraiser had admitted that he had paid each of the troopers $6,700 after the articles were published. The payments were made without Brock's knowledge...

Following Brock's article, in 1994 four troopers conducted interviews with various allegations about Clinton and subsequently the New York Daily News stated that "one of the troopers is an accused wife beater, another was caught sleeping on the job, a third pleaded guilty to starting a barroom brawl and a fourth allegedly slept with a fellow trooper's wife."[SUP][11][/SUP]

Then in 1994 and 1995, Jerry Falwell paid $200,000 to Citizens for Honest Government, who in turn paid two Arkansas state troopers who had made allegations supporting a conspiracy about Vincent Foster in the Clinton Chronicles video.[SUP][12][/SUP] The two troopers, Roger Perry and Larry Patterson, also were paid after making their allegations in the Jones-Clinton trial.[SUP][12][/SUP]

Trooper Patterson, whose name would always be linked with the allegations, retired from the state force in 1999.[SUP][13][/SUP] In 2000 he was named the police chief of Quitman, Arkansas.[SUP][13][/SUP] In 2005, Patterson was convicted of making false statements to the FBI about an unrelated incident.[SUP][14][/SUP]
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So the troopers are unbelievable, because of the reason's cited; but Bill, a proven adulterer, is more believable?? :dunno:
 
evince said:
he is on tape claiming he grabbed women and got away with it by being rich you fucktard
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And that must mean that he named the same women who are now alleging he did, AFTER the tape was released!! :dunno:

You didn't answer the question:
Have you ever had your pussy grabbed, Desh?
 
christiefan915 said:
Yet your party is blaming Hillary for something her husband did 30 years ago, using the stupid reason that somehow she "enabled" him.

So explain why it is that Hillary's an enabler but Ivana, Marla and Melania are not.
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GEE - Maybe that's because the accusations against Bill have been substantiated and therefore it does show that Hi-LIAR-y was and is an enabler; but the accusations against Trump are just that, ACCUSATIONS ergo: unsubstantiated.
 
christiefan915 said:
The pawnage started because Trump couldn't stop himself from bringing up Bill Clinton's women from three decades ago. Not to mention, he was actually on Bill's side at the time.
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The "pawnage" started when he was accused first....what better defense than to point out the obvious hypocrisy of the Hillary supporters
(and her claims about how she is the defender of women)
that just accepted the allegations against him as fact...as you do, at the same time ignoring to undeniable proof against Bill at the same time....
 
christiefan915 said:
The pawnage started because Trump couldn't stop himself from bringing up Bill Clinton's women from three decades ago. Not to mention, he was actually on Bill's side at the time.
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OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH: so was that an admission that the only reason this is occurring, is as pay back!! :eek2:
 
NOVA said:
Could Clinton seriously defend himself from some of these accusers..?
Obviously not, and I wouldn't expect him too.....the first one is supposed to have occurred 47 years ago and Clinton didn't deny sex with women....
Would any left believe these women....?....not a chance.


  • Eileen Wellstone, 19-year-old English woman who said Clinton sexually assaulted her after she met him at a pub near the Oxford where the future President was a student in 1969. A retired State Department employee, who asked not to be identified, confirmed that he spoke with the family of the girl and filed a report with his superiors. Clinton admitted having sex with the girl, but claimed it was consensual. The victim's family declined to pursue the case;
  • In 1972, a 22-year-old woman told campus police at Yale University that she was sexually assaulted by Clinton, a law student at the college. No charges were filed, but retired campus policemen contacted by Capitol Hill Blue confirmed the incident. The woman, tracked down by Capitol Hill Blue last week, confirmed the incident, but declined to discuss it further and would not give permission to use her name;
  • In 1974, a female student at the University of Arkansas complained that then-law school instructor Bill Clinton tried to prevent her from leaving his office during a conference. She said he groped her and forced his hand inside her blouse. She complained to her faculty advisor who confronted Clinton, but Clinton claimed the student ''came on'' to him. The student left the school shortly after the incident. Reached at her home in Texas, the former student confirmed the incident, but declined to go on the record with her account. Several former students at the University have confirmed the incident in confidential interviews and said there were other reports of Clinton attempting to force himself on female students;
  • Broaddrick, a volunteer in Clinton's gubernatorial campaign, said he raped her in 1978. Mrs. Broaddrick suffered a bruised and torn lip, which she said she suffered when Clinton bit her during the rape;
  • From 1978-1980, during Clinton's first term as governor of Arkansas, state troopers assigned to protect the governor were aware of at least seven complaints from women who said Clinton forced, or attempted to force, himself on them sexually. One retired state trooper said in an interview that the common joke among those assigned to protect Clinton was "who's next?". One former state trooper said other troopers would often escort women to the governor's hotel room after political events, often more than one an evening;
  • Carolyn Moffet, a legal secretary in Little Rock in 1979, said she met then-governor Clinton at a political fundraiser and shortly thereafter received an invitation to meet the governor in his hotel room. "I was escorted there by a state trooper. When I went in, he was sitting on a couch, wearing only an undershirt. He pointed at his penis and told me to suck it. I told him I didn't even do that for my boyfriend and he got mad, grabbed my head and shoved it into his lap. I pulled away from him and ran out of the room."
  • Elizabeth Ward, the Miss Arkansas who won the Miss America crown in 1982, told friends she was forced by Clinton to have sex with him shortly after she won her state crown. Last year, Ward, who is now married with the last name of Gracen (from her first marriage), told an interviewer she did have sex with Clinton but said it was consensual. Close friends of Ward, however, say she still maintains privately that Clinton forced himself on her.
  • Paula Corbin, an Arkansas state worker, filed a sexual harassment case against Clinton after an encounter in a Little Rock hotel room where the then-governor exposed himself and demanded oral sex. Clinton settled the case with Jones recently with an $850,000 cash payment.
  • Sandra Allen James, a former Washington, DC, political fundraiser says Presidential candidate-to-be Clinton invited her to his hotel room during a political trip to the nation's capital in 1991, pinned her against the wall and stuck his hand up her dress. She says she screamed loud enough for the Arkansas State Trooper stationed outside the hotel suite to bang on the door and ask if everything was all right, at which point Clinton released her and she fled the room. When she reported the incident to her boss, he advised her to keep her mouth shut if she wanted to keep working. Miss James has since married and left Washington. Reached at her home last week, the former Miss James said she later learned that other women suffered the same fate at Clinton's hands when he was in Washington during his Presidential run.
  • Christy Zercher, a flight attendant on Clinton's leased campaign plane in 1992, says Presidential candidate Clinton exposed himself to her, grabbed her breasts and made explicit remarks about oral sex. A video shot on board the plane by ABC News shows an obviously inebriated Clinton with his hand between another young flight attendant's legs. Zercher said later in an interview that White House attorney Bruce Lindsey tried to pressure her into not going public about the assault.
  • Kathleen Willey, a White House volunteer, reported that Clinton grabbed her, fondled her breast and pressed her hand against his genitals during an Oval Office meeting in November, 1993. Willey, who told her story in a 60 Minutes interview, became a target of a White House-directed smear campaign after she went public.
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, that's 11 accusations.
So it appears that the left have decided to just make sure the number of accusations against Trump is greater; seeing as it's been shown that some of them, so far, have been false.

HANDS UP, DON'T SHOOT. :palm:
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
GEE - Maybe that's because the accusations against Bill have been substantiated and therefore it does show that Hi-LIAR-y was and is an enabler; but the accusations against Trump are just that, ACCUSATIONS ergo: unsubstantiated.
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Enabled him ?....She attacked his accusers, threatened them, called them liars, its bimbo eruptions and the vast right wing conspiracy....
DNA or not, defended him, he even confessed and making the stupid claim that blow jobs weren't sex.....but the left still loves him
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, that's 11 accusations.
So it appears that the left have decided to just make sure the number of accusations against Trump is greater; seeing as it's been shown that some of them, so far, have been false.

HANDS UP, DON'T SHOOT. :palm:
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name them asshole



not one has been debunked
 
NOVA said:
The "pawnage" started when he was accused first....what better defense than to point out the obvious hypocrisy of the Hillary supporters
(and her claims about how she is the defender of women)
that just accepted the allegations against him as fact...as you do, at the same time ignoring to undeniable proof against Bill at the same time....
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This just newly release video shows the meeting that was held, prior to the accusations against Trump coming out, by the DNC.

 
USFREEDOM911 said:
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, that's 11 accusations.
So it appears that the left have decided to just make sure the number of accusations against Trump is greater; seeing as it's been shown that some of them, so far, have been false.

HANDS UP, DON'T SHOOT. :palm:
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OH, there is more....I used to have a list of at least 24 or more....but why bother now...the point is made, the hypocrisy is obvious...and in the end
won't mean anything to liberal partisans...we now have the Trump derangement syndrome....the BDS sickness has petered out for all but the truly insane....
 
NOVA said:
Enabled him ?....She attacked his accusers, threatened them, called them liars, its bimbo eruptions and the vast right wing conspiracy....
DNA or not, defended him, he even confessed and making the stupid claim that blow jobs weren't sex.....but the left still loves him
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I'm not defending Hi-LIAR-y; because even her comments about them make her an enabler.
 
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