Do I Have The Right To Leave This Country For Good?

philly....

be honest... this is nothing but a rhetorical exercise for you. Nowhere in the USA is there anything but the smallest fraction of a fraction of a percent of support for any state to secede from the Union.

When you start talking about 5% or 10% of the population - still a tiny sliver, but at least VISIBLE - then maybe this would be something more than mere rhetoric.
 
maineman said:
philly....

be honest... this is nothing but a rhetorical exercise for you. Nowhere in the USA is there anything but the smallest fraction of a fraction of a percent of support for any state to secede from the Union.

When you start talking about 5% or 10% of the population - still a tiny sliver, but at least VISIBLE - then maybe this would be something more than mere rhetoric.
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My sentiments as well. Clearly this type of board lends itself well to having this type of discussion because we can discuss all day our different beliefs on what the constitution allows and federal vs. state power as far as succeeding. Out in the real world I have not heard a single person have this discussion nor have I read about it anywhere so it's just not a reality (at the moment, things can always change of course).
 
maineman said:
philly....

be honest... this is nothing but a rhetorical exercise for you. Nowhere in the USA is there anything but the smallest fraction of a fraction of a percent of support for any state to secede from the Union.

When you start talking about 5% or 10% of the population - still a tiny sliver, but at least VISIBLE - then maybe this would be something more than mere rhetoric.
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That's your opinion. That doesn't justify your opposition to a vote on secession because you have nothing to substantiate the opposition.

Is the democratic process permissible for a state ballot to vote on secession and if it isn't tell me why.
 
Sardonic said:
Come on Philly, man up, renounce your citizenship, become your own nation under God! Don't wait for others, start your own movement, be the driving force!
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You shut your frigging mouth - you Jersey shore scumbag. You left this forum not long ago because you and a few other shores couldn't stand the opposition speech here and now you're back trolling my thread.

Shut your pie hole and stay out of this - you're trolling and you are an authoritarian with nothing to add to this conversation but more of your bullshit trolling and nothing else.
 
cawacko said:
My sentiments as well. Clearly this type of board lends itself well to having this type of discussion because we can discuss all day our different beliefs on what the constitution allows and federal vs. state power as far as succeeding. Out in the real world I have not heard a single person have this discussion nor have I read about it anywhere so it's just not a reality (at the moment, things can always change of course).
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Now I'm convinced you're also dodging the question.

Why isn't a vote allowed on it?

WHY ISN'T A VOTE ALLOWED ON IT?

I don't give a rat's ass what you think about it, tell me why a date to vote on it will immediately be rejected by the fed?
 
Nemo said:
You have the right to renounce your citizenship under the provisions of section 349(a)(5) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. § 1481).
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This one here is a left wing lawyer I encountered in another forum. He doesn't like answering condemning questions he doesn't like.
 
philly rabbit said:
That's your opinion. That doesn't justify your opposition to a vote on secession because you have nothing to substantiate the opposition.

Is the democratic process permissible for a state ballot to vote on secession and if it isn't tell me why.
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All states have laws and procedures for citizen initiatives to make their way onto the ballot. Why not start there?
 
philly rabbit said:
Now I'm convinced you're also dodging the question.

Why isn't a vote allowed on it?

WHY ISN'T A VOTE ALLOWED ON IT?

I don't give a rat's ass what you think about it, tell me why a date to vote on it will immediately be rejected by the fed?
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Because they don't want any states to succeed?
 
Superfreak said:
Are you trying to say secede?

either way I laughed... because you either said something clever which deserves a laugh as it happens so rarely... OR you have yet again proven that dumbasses go to USC..
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Dude, you're talking to a Trojan so clearly I was being clever.

Off the record I completely f'd up the spelling.
 
philly rabbit said:
Because in a free society the states would have the freedom to leave using the democratic process.
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where is this vote ? in the state yea or nay ? if so its hughly unlikely any legislator would submit the legislation, it is not in his interests to have this happen. national ? even less likely to get the bill put forth. the country has already demonstrated what action would be taken. so to recap, yiu are free to leave you just cant take the land with you.
 
Philly rabbit, has any state tried to hold a vote to secede and the federal government has told them they couldn't (hold the vote)?
 
philly rabbit said:
Because in a free society the states would have the freedom to leave using the democratic process.
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And wouldn't a clear element of that democratic process be the referendum question, put to the voters of a given state, which asks them to vote yea or nay on seceding from the union?
 
Philly, can you demonstrate that 51% of any state or territory currently wants to secede? The democratic process is currently telling you that you may not secede.
 
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