Do conservatives even know what CRT is?

LV426 said:
How did attack you?

Here's what I wrote that you said was an attack. How is it an attack?



So what about the question "So what is your problem?" is an attack on you?

So what about the question "That kids are taught the racist history of the country?" is an attack on you?

So what about the question "Would you prefer if they were taught a sanitized, feel-good version of history instead?" is an attack on you?

So what about the question "Don't you think that is more damaging than just telling the truth?" is an attack on you?

You weren't attacked at all.

So stop your bitching, crybaby, and deal with what you say you believe!

You're so sensitive, snowflake.
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Your first sentence in that is an ad hominem attack as it adds nothing to the conversation. Your questions afterwards can be addressed. I would prefer kids be taught a factual version of US history and one that isn't politicized by racists and bigots hailing from the radical Left (or Right for that matter). It's fine, for example, to mention the Tulsa race riot. It's not okay to then tell White children they are guilty by association and race while telling Black children they are being oppressed because of their race by such historical incidents. That's the difference. The first is teaching history. The second version is teaching CRT.
 
LV426 said:
A minor event?

An entire town was wiped off the face of the Earth and dozens of innocent people were killed.
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Minor event. WW 2 was a major event. The Civil War was a major event. The San Francisco earthquake of 1906 wiped a town off the face of the earth, the Great Chicago Fire of 1871 wiped a town off the face of the earth as but two counter examples. The Trail of Tears is more important in terms of an example of oppression by racists than the Tulsa race riot. Minor event.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Your first sentence in that is an ad hominem attack as it adds nothing to the conversation. Your questions afterwards can be addressed. I would prefer kids be taught a factual version of US history and one that isn't politicized by racists and bigots hailing from the radical Left (or Right for that matter). It's fine, for example, to mention the Tulsa race riot. It's not okay to then tell White children they are guilty by association and race while telling Black children they are being oppressed because of their race by such historical incidents. That's the difference. The first is teaching history. The second version is teaching CRT.
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Don't you know retards like that one can't be spoken to?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Your first sentence in that is an ad hominem attack as it adds nothing to the conversation.
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OK, so now you're moving the goalposts on what you consider an ad hominem attack.

To you, everything is an ad hominem attack because you take everything so personally.

Have those tactics ever worked out in your favor before?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Your questions afterwards can be addressed.
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Ok, so it's not an ad hominem attack to ask you questions about your beliefs, and you were pretending it was to try and cast yourself as a victim.


I would prefer kids be taught a factual version of US history and one that isn't politicized by racists and bigots hailing from the radical Left (or Right for that matter).
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Well, if you consider the Tulsa Massacre a "minor event", then your "version" of US history is entirely politicized already.
 
LV426 said:
Ok, so it's not an ad hominem attack to ask you questions about your beliefs, and you were pretending it was to try and cast yourself as a victim.
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I answered the questions you asked.

Well, if you consider the Tulsa Massacre a "minor event", then your "version" of US history is entirely politicized already.
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Your opinion is noted.
 
Wolverine said:
Critical Race Theory was invented by a Marxist historian, the late Howard Zinn, who served as a foot soldier in the Communist Party and is heavily promoted by the NEA. At its core, critical race theory is a broad set of ideas about systemic bias and racism in American history.

https://www.yahoo.com/now/critical-race-theory-dangerous-fight-113039894.html
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This is patently not true. CRT comes from Critical Legal Theory invented by Harvard legal scholar Derrick Bell (not a Marxist). It was then expanded into a full blown system by Kimberle Crenshaw at Columbia (she is a Marxist) and included in her version, the one that's used now, was Intersectionality and Critical Theory that derives from Critical Pedagogy.

Howard Zinn was just a radical Leftist academic historian that wrote, most famously, A People's History of the United States--that's really a pretty schlock book but that's for another thread. Zinn was not a Critical Theorist or Critical Race Theorist.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
It's fine, for example, to mention the Tulsa race riot. It's not okay to then tell White children they are guilty by association and race
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The only person making that connection is you.

If you feel like you are being made to feel guilty for the actions of your ancestors, that's your problem that you need to work through in therapy.

CRT doesn't point an accusatory finger at anyone, and if you perceive it does than that is consciousness of guilt on your part.

Clearly, if you think you're being made to feel guilty about something, then you feel guilty about something. No one controls your feels, dude...only you.

So I would ask, how long do you want to feel guilty for something no one is trying to do?


while telling Black children they are being oppressed because of their race by such historical incidents.
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So you don't think Black children should be taught the racist history of this country because it might make them feel oppressed? Never mind the question of how CRT even does that by teaching historical context?

Since when is that ever a good excuse for anything?


The first is teaching history. The second version is teaching CRT.
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You haven't delineated how these versions are different.

You would treat the Tulsa Massacre as a "minor event", despite the fact that it was not minor by any means, nor was it even a singular event: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...d-summer-white-mobs-massacred-blacks-tulsa-dc

The Tulsa Massacre was one of dozens -if not hundreds- of racial terrorism that took place during and after the Red Summer.
 
archives said:
CRT is a college level course offered in some colleges as an elective that examines how racism in America has over time been shaped into public policy, it’s not new, nor particularly revolutionary, and has been around for forty years. Basically examines racism beyond individual prejudice

At best, small portions of the inquiry have been adopted in a dozen of so high school curriculums across the country and is not taught in ninety ninety percent of American High Schools.

Pure scaremongering by the right hoping to match it up with one of their other talking points raising crime to win back white suburban women voters
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This sh*t made national news. A local news crew was interviewing Oakland's Director of Violence Prevention when the news crew got robbed. You can't make this up. But somehow crime is off limits in a political race and it has to be racial?


A TV news crew was reporting on a crime spike. Then robbers demanded they hand over their camera.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/06/30/oakland-tv-crew-robbery/
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Your first sentence in that is an ad hominem attack as it adds nothing to the conversation.
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If that is your basis you are on awfully weak ground.

Your questions afterwards can be addressed. I would prefer kids be taught a factual version of US history and one that isn't politicized by racists and bigots hailing from the radical Left (or Right for that matter).
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But you know it is controlled by the right so you would refer that.

It's fine, for example, to mention the Tulsa race riot. It's not okay to then tell White children they are guilty by association and race while telling Black children they are being oppressed because of their race by such historical incidents.
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What other reason would there be for, as an example, White farmers getting loans denied to Black farmers thus causing Black farmers to lose 90% of their farmland?

That's the difference. The first is teaching history. The second version is teaching CRT.
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History as you want it taught, not as a reality.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Minor event. WW 2 was a major event. The Civil War was a major event. The San Francisco earthquake of 1906 wiped a town off the face of the earth, the Great Chicago Fire of 1871 wiped a town off the face of the earth as but two counter examples. The Trail of Tears is more important in terms of an example of oppression by racists than the Tulsa race riot. Minor event.
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Not a minor event at all because it was part of the Red Summer Racist Terrorism that began after WWI: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...d-summer-white-mobs-massacred-blacks-tulsa-dc

You are proving the need for CRT on this thread because you don't even know the history of this country.

You prove your historical ignorance when you try to pretend the Tulsa Massacre was a minor event and not a continuation of a much larger, darker, and deadlier event that had been going on for 4 years.

I bet you didn't even know what the Red Summer was until I posted the NatGeo link on this thread.
 
cawacko said:
What do you think CRT is?
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It seems to be many different things to many different people lol.

I suggest we leave the arcane debates about what CRT is, or isn’t, to the faculty lounge and go back to empathizing basic education in public schools.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/critical-race-theory

So, Encyclopedia Britannica is wrong you say...?

I told you, I researched CRT thoroughly. I know it's origins. I know who the academics that invented it are.

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See you didn’t actual research, you pulled what you wanted to find and projected it as the truth. Britannica is based on the British version of CLC, which in itself was further divided between Marxist and nonMarxist routes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_legal_studies), and from there you picked three examples and generalized them as CRT

Again, you are just echoing the exact point made in the topic post, the right itself really doesn’t know what CRT means
 
Darth Omar said:
It seems to be many different things to many different people lol.

I suggest we leave the arcane debates about what CRT is, or isn’t, to the faculty lounge and go back to empathizing basic education in public schools.
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And that's what they are doing. Republicans are just having an explosive diarrhea over something they have no clue about.
 
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