APP - Do biological viruses actually exist?

Whenever you bring up the PCR test, you admit that it can be replicated within a host cell since the entire basis of the PCR test is that it requires more than one of the viruses to run the test.

Not sure how you arrived at that conclusion. From Mark Bailey's "A Farewell to Virology - Expert Edition":
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PROFESSOR STEPHEN BUSTIN’S PRIMING OF A PCR PANDEMIC

Scientists have a tendency to assume that everything outside of their domain of interest is true and that they can just rely on it.

— David Crowe following his interview of Stephen Bustin in April 2020.137

To sustain the illusion of the COVID-19 ‘pandemic’, cases were required. These were provided by the world’s largest ever human ‘testing’ programme involving billions of PCR kits distributed around the world. It remains unclear to us as to why Stephen Bustin, who is a “world-renowned expert on quantitative PCR, and his research focuses on translating molecular techniques into practical, robust and reliable tools for clinical and diagnostic use,”138 failed to decisively point out the inappropriate use of the PCR process. Bustin was the lead author for the 2009 publication,“The MIQE Guidelines: Minimum Information for Publication of Quantitative Real-Time PCR Experiments,”139 in which the key conceptual considerations for real-time PCR experiments were outlined as follows:


  1. 2.1 Analytical sensitivity refers to the minimum number of copies in a sample that can be measured accurately with an assay, whereas clinical sensirivity is the percentage of individuals with a given disorder whom the assay idenrifies as positive for that condition...

  2. 2.2 Analytical specificity refers to the qPCR assay detecting the appropriate target sequence rather than other, nonspecific targets also present in a sample. Diagnostic specificity is the percentage of individuals without a given condition whom the assay identifies as negative for that condition.
If Bustin remained true to the science then he should have called a halt to the PCR pandemic in January 2020 when the Corman-Drosten PCR protocols were published.140 The word ‘specificity’ appears only once in the Corman-Drosten paper and it had nothing to do with diagnosing a clinical condition, let alone a viral infection. There was no “detection of 2019-nCoV” as the paper claimed, all that was established was the analytical specificity of their assay to detect selected target sequences. It was an in vitro molecular reaction experiment with synthetic nucleic acid technology that does not require the existence of a virus. Further, there was no establishment of how the PCR result related to a clinical condition, i.e. the COVID-19 PCR kits were never shown to diagnose anything in a human subject. An invented disease based on a fictional virus.

Aside from the issue of specificity, it was not well publicised that the world-expert on PCR said to David Crowe in April 2020 that, (even on virology’s own terms,) calling a coronavirus PCR result “positive” at 36-37 cycles, as was happening around the world was, “absolute nonsense. It makes no sense whatsoever."141 However, the PCR fraud was even more apparent when Eric Coppolino interviewed Bustin on Planet Waves FM in February 2021.142 Coppolino’s intention was to find out more details about the problematic reverse transcription (RT) step of the RT-PCR process but he was stunned after the interview to realise that what he thought was a sometimes inaccurate test was completely fraudulent.143 Bustin appeared uncomfortable when Coppolino pointed out that all positive PCR results were being called a, “confirmed case of infection,” even if they had no symptoms.144 Instead of admitting that the diagnostic specificity of the PCR kits had never been established, Bustin offered peripheral explanations such as claiming that, “ICUs are overrun at the moment.”

He further defended the PCR protocols in use with the assertion that, “this pneumonia was being caused by this virus. And this virus started popping up where more and more people were coming down with the same symptoms. And these primers were detecting that virus.” When Coppolino pushed him on the lack of virus isolation to be able to make these claims, Bustin responded that, “the way the sequence was established by taking the samples from the original patient, growing up something and then sequencing it and then disassembling the sequence and what came out of that was the SARS virus.” Unfortunately, Bustin lent support to virology’s misuse of the word ‘isolation’ and the loose terminology involved in detecting a “virus.” The crucial issue is that it doesn’t matter how well designed any primers are — if the provenance or significance of the genetic sequences being amplified through the PCR are unknown, then nothing more can be concluded by their mere presence. Bustin can reassure the world about the potentially very high analytical performance of a PCR protocol but the establishment of its diagnostic performance is where the rubber meets the road. Even if SARS-CoV-2 had been shown to physically exist and the PCR was accepted as a valid diagnostic tool, Bustin would have to admit that none of the PCR assays have been developed as his MIQE Guidelines specify and none qualify as being clinically-validated.

It was a surprise during the same interview that he denied any prior knowledge of the false pertussis outbreak in Dartmouth-Hitchcock, New Hampshire in 2006 when the PCR kit that was rolled out resulted in a 100% false positive rate.145 Bustin claimed to have learned about it for the first time just days before the interview, some 15 years after the fact, when he read about it on Coppolino’s website, from an article provided for the purposes of the interview. Yet the incident was well known and received coverage in The New York Times, with comments from many public health and diagnostic test professionals.146 By 2006, Bustin was a Professor of Molecular Biology and it is a small wonder that the PCR specialist had not had any enquiries from medical colleagues in 2006 when the incident happened. Indeed, at the time there were very few PCR experts in existence to contact and it was an early indication of how the PCR could be catastrophically misused as a clinical diagnostic tool. If that wasn’t bad enough, it related to an incident where the purportedly causal microbe (the bacterium Bordetella pertussis) is something that can be physically isolated and its genetic sequences confirmed for the PCR to be calibrated against. In contrast, the SARS-CoV-2 PCR protocols are simply calibrated to genetic fragments of unknown origin. When Coppolino pressed him on this point Bustin responded, “well, you know, this is a standard way of doing this so I really can’t comment any further on that, except that to me that’s perfectly acceptable and that’s the way to do it.”147

By the time Bustin was interviewed by Coppolino he had already co-authored and submitted a paper titled, “COVID-19 and Diagnostic Testing for SARS-CoV-2 by RT-qPCR—Facts and Fallacies” that was published later in February 2021.148 In this paper, Bustin and co stated that, “[theCorman-Drosten] assay worked and was specific and demonstrated astounding sagacity and selflessness by the scientists involved, as well as the remarkable speed with which PCR-based tests can be developed and put into practice.” Ignoring the fawning praise, the obvious question remains, is specific for what? Were Bustin and co implying that the PCR tests are specific for (a) short targeted RNA sequences, (b) a coronavirus known as SARS-CoV-2, or (c) the WHO-invented disease known as COVID-19? The Corman-Drosten paper only established the analytical specificity for amplifying some selected RNA sequences, it had nothing to do with the establishment of a virus or diagnosing a disease. The developer of the MIQE Guidelines surely knows that of the three, only the first was scientifically established and nothing was, or has been, validated for clinical application. And yet his paper goes on to make the ridiculous non sequitur that, “PCR testing is highly suitable for large scale testing, as demonstrated daily by the millions of tests carried out to date.” Has Bustin forgogen that the ‘tests’ are simply a molecular amplification tool? As the inventor of the PCR, Dr Kary Mullis warned in 1993, “I don’t think you can misuse PCR, no, the results, the interpretation of it [is misused].”149

The PCR simply amplifies selected genetic sequences and the molecular reaction itself has no capacity to determine their provenance or the relevance of their presence. If a particular PCR protocol is performed correctly and has a known 100% analytical sensitivity and specificity, a positive result can be said to have done nothing more than confirmed the presence of a target sequence. However, if claims are being made that the PCR is a diagnostic tool, it should be obvious that clinical validation studies would need to be performed before the test was introduced into clinical practice. The Corman-Drosten paper skipped this step and the WHO accepted the fraud by placing versions of the PCR protocol on their website on the 13th and then 17th of January, 2020, before the paper had even been published.150 After that the PCR was simply used via circular reasoning to make claims about diagnosing “infections” in people.

The next phase in the early stages of the alleged pandemic involved “experts” such as Australian Infectious Diseases Specialist, Associate Professor Sanjaya Senanayake promulgating unfounded claims about the accuracy of the tests to the public. In an interview on the 26th of April, 2020 he stated that with regard to COVID-19 testing, “there’s no real gold standard to compare this to... for COVID-19 we don’t have a gold standard test so so the current tests we are using, the PCR tests...they’re our gold standard, but trying to work around that, we think that it’s probably picking uparound 70% of cases.”151 Senanayake implied that if you don’t have a gold standard you can just assume that a new PCR test can validate itself. However, this goes against all scholarship regarding test validaEon. It is unclear through this departure from the established tenets of validation logic how he calculated that it worked “about 70%” of the time, not to mention the mental gymnastics involved in a “gold standard” that detects itself only 70% of the time. It would be agreed with his inadvertent admission that, “there’s no real gold standard” in COVID-19 testing because the real gold standard is something that doesn’t exist — that being the physical isolation and proof of a viral particle.

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I see you haven't yet arrived at the part where I bring up the article that mentions multiple pesticides as possible causes of polio. I'll get to that in the next post.

If you have a better chart, by all means, provide it. Right now, that chart is the best I have.
Right now that chart is pseudoscience since it does not provide the actual data.

Yet another unsubstantiated assertion on your part. The chart provides the best information I've been able to find that strongly suggests a link between polio and pesticides. Again, if you know of a better chart, by all means, provide it. For anyone in the audience that may have missed the chart, I brought it up in post #537.
 
Yet another unsubstantiated assertion on your part. The chart provides the best information I've been able to find that strongly suggests a link between polio and pesticides. Again, if you know of a better chart, by all means, provide it. For anyone in the audience that may have missed the chart, I brought it up in post #537.
Until we agree on the scientific method, we can't discuss anything.



Let's examine the scientific method.
The scientific method is this -

https://www.extension.purdue.edu/extmedia/ID/ID-507-w.pdf

State the problem
Form a hypothesis
Observe and Experiment
Interpret Data
Draw Conclusions
(Revise the hypothesis as needed and repeat)

Do you agree that this is the scientific method?
Do you agree that something that fails to use this method is conducting pseudoscience?
 
I haven't seen any solid evidence that that chart shows nothing more than "random correlation". To me, it looks like a solid correlation between these pesticides and polio.
At this point, you have ignored the scientific method twice when I introduced it so I will bring it up again.

What posts prior to this one I'm responding to do you think I've ignored?

Let's examine the scientific method.
The scientific method is this -

https://www.extension.purdue.edu/extmedia/ID/ID-507-w.pdf

State the problem
Form a hypothesis
Observe and Experiment
Interpret Data
Draw Conclusions
(Revise the hypothesis as needed and repeat)

Do you agree that this is the scientific method?
Do you agree that something that fails to use this method is conducting pseudoscience?

Until you are willing to actually look at and discuss the scientific method we can't move forward with anything since it is required to address your claims of pseudoscience.

I agree that looking at the scientific method is important. To answer your questions, I agree that the above method is on the right track, although there are ofcourse details such as controls that this very broad explanation of the scientific method doesn't touch on.
 
It appears you didn't really pay attention to how the work of Hayes and Laws was referred to in Jim West's article. The article certainly -starts- with a warning from Hayes and Laws. To whit:
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It has been alleged that DDT causes or contributes to a wide variety of diseases of humans and animals not previously recognized as associated with any chemical. Such diseases included... poliomyelitis, ...such irresponsible claims could produce great harm and, if taken seriously, even interfere with scientific search for true causes...[1] (Handbook of Pesticide Toxicology, edited by Wayland J. Hayes, Jr. and Edward R. Laws, 1991)
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But -immediately- after that bit, Jim West counters with the following:
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Hayes and Laws were informing their readers about the heretic, Dr. Morton S. Biskind.

In 1953, when Biskind's writings were published, the United States had just endured its greatest polio epidemic. The entire public was steeped in dramatic images -- a predatory poliovirus, nearly a million dead and paralyzed children, iron lungs, struggling doctors and dedicated nurses. The late president Franklin D. Roosevelt had been memorialized as a polio victim who was infected with the deadly poliovirus near the beautiful and remote island of Campobello. The media was saturated with positive images of scientific progress and the marvels of DDT to kill disease-carrying mosquitoes. Jonas Salk was in the wings, preparing to be moved center stage.

Through this intellectually paralyzing atmosphere, Dr. Biskind had the composure to argue what he thought was the most obvious explanation for the polio epidemic: Central nervous system diseases such as polio are actually the physiological and symptomatic manifestations of the ongoing government and industry sponsored inundation of the world's populace with central nervous system poisons.

Today, few remember this poignant writer who struggled with the issues of pesticides, issues that Rachel Carson would be allowed to politely bring to public awareness nine years later, as the lead story in The New Yorker magazine and then as a national best seller, by limiting her focus to the environment and wildlife. Biskind had the audacity to write about human damage.

I found "M.S. Biskind" in the endnotes to Hayes' and Laws' diatribe. What could possibly have motivated Hayes' and Laws' biased genuflection towards germ theory? Such offerings, commonly written into the final paragraphs of scientific articles, are usually done with an appearance of impartiality. With great anticipation, I went to a medical library and found Biskind's 10-page 1953 article in the American Journal of Digestive Diseases. [2] Presented below are excerpts regarding polio from his article.

In 1945, against the advice of investigators who had studied the pharmacology of the compound and found it dangerous for all forms of life, DDT (chlorophenoethane, dichlorodiphenyl-trichloroethane) was released in the United States and other countries for general use by the public as an insecticide.
[...]

Since the last war there have been a number of curious changes in the incidence of certain ailments and the development of new syndromes never before observed. A most significant feature of this situation is that both man and all his domestic animals have simultaneously been affected.
In man, the incidence of poliomyelitis has risen sharply;
[...]

It was even known by 1945 that DDT is stored in the body fat of mammals and appears in the milk. With this foreknowledge the series of catastrophic events that followed the most intensive campaign of mass poisoning in known human history, should not have surprised the experts. Yet, far from admitting a causal relationship so obvious that in any other field of biology it would be instantly accepted, virtually the entire apparatus of communication, lay and scientific alike, has been devoted to denying, concealing, suppressing, distorting and attempts to convert into its opposite, the overwhelming evidence. Libel, slander and economic boycott have not been overlooked in this campaign.
[...]

Early in 1949, as a result of studies during the previous year, the author published reports implicating DDT preparations in the syndrome widely attributed to a "virus-X" in man, in "X-disease" in cattle and in often fatal syndromes in dogs and cats. The relationship was promptly denied by government officials, who provided no evidence to contest the author's observations but relied solely on the prestige of government authority and sheer numbers of experts to bolster their position.
[...]

["X-disease"] ...studied by the author following known exposure to DDT and related compounds and over and over again in the same patients, each time following known exposure. We have described the syndrome as follows:
...In acute exacerbations, mild clonic convulsions involving mainly the legs, have been observed. Several young children exposed to DDT developed a limp lasting from 2 or 3 days to a week or more.
[...]

Simultaneously with the occurrence of this disorder [X-disease] a number of related changes occurred in the incidence of known diseases. The most striking of these is poliomyelitis. In the United States the incidence of polio had been increasing prior to 1945 at a fairly constant rate, but its epidemiologic characteristics remained unchanged. Beginning in 1946 the rate of increase more than doubled. Since then remarkable changes in the character of the disease have been noted. Contrary to all past experience, the disease has remained epidemic year after year.
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No. I did read it which is why I did the research to look up Hayes and Lawes and read their actual work which is pretty extensive when it comes to DDT.

And there it is again. Your source relying on outdated science while pretending it is still valid science.
Biskind's writings were shown to be unscientific when in 1955 a vaccine was introduced which reduced the number of cases of Polio.

You're making yet another unsubstantiated assertion. Here's what Jim West had to say about another development that happened shortly before polio vaccines were rolled out:
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DDT after 1954

This period is given special consideration for DDT.

After 1954, DDT production increased tremendously, but mainly as an export product. Due to public governmental debate in 1950-51 and numerous policy and legislative changes afterward, its production figures thereon do not at all correlate with U.S. usage or exposure to DDT.

As many studies demonstrate, DDT exposure after 1954 declined sharply, and this decline is represented in the following graph, along with supporting data. DDT production is not shown, post-1954.

Historical context: DDT was incriminated from 1950 until its registration cancelation in 1968 and ban in 1972. Thus, 1950-1951 represents a point of increased public awareness, changes in legislation and policy, voluntary phase-out, and labeling requirements. It is significant for this comparison of DDT against infantile paralysis, that before the period of increased awareness, DDT was mandated on dairies, yet afterward, ruled out of dairies. Much of the domestic usage was shifted to forestry applications, placing less DDT directly into the food chain.

The visual impact of all the persistent pesticide graphs rests upon the assumption that production correlated with human exposure. Given the lack of regulation and the extreme media hype surrounding DDT before 1953, this is not an unrealistic assumption.

It is clear that post-1954 DDT production did not correlate with human exposure. Yet, it is possible to estimate relative values for exposure post-1954. This can be accomplished by reviewing DDT levels in adipose tissue (National Adipose Tissue Survey, and other studies), considering DDT in imported food, and considering the daily amounts of ingested DDT.

The early trend of National Adipose Tissue Survey's can be interpolated back to 1944, six years from 1950, the first Survey year, because it is safe to assume that DDT tissue levels were zero in 1944, since DDT was introduced for domestic usage in 1945. The estimate of DDT exposure is a reasonable because DDT has a half-life of about one year. To achieve any downward trend in the DDT/adipose line, DDT exposure had to have decreased sharply.

Note that no scale is provided for "relative DDT exposure". The Survey values are presented without distortion, linearly, with the starting point at 1954, and values for are estimates based on the Survey and DDT ingestion data.

Error is limited by two boundaries, for the estimated values of DDT exposure. 1) Exposure's downward slope must be much greater than the Survey line's downward slope, because of DDT's half-life. 2) Exposure values must continue at least through 1968.

PolioandDDT.png

Hayes and Laws also used a secondary evaluation, DDT intake per day, to explain that from 1954 to 1964-67, DDT ingestion decreased by an approximate factor of five. Significantly, the Salk vaccine program began in 1954.

The observed decrease in the concentration of DDT in food (Walker et al., 1954; Durham et al., 1965a; Duggan, 1968) offers an adequate reason for the decrease in storage in people. The average intake of p,p'-DDT and of total DDT-derived material was 0.178 and 0.280 mg/human/day, respectively, in 1954, but only 0.028 and 0.063 mg/human/day, respectively, during the period 1964-1967. (Hayes and Laws, page 303)
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What posts prior to this one I'm responding to do you think I've ignored?



I agree that looking at the scientific method is important. To answer your questions, I agree that the above method is on the right track, although there are ofcourse details such as controls that this very broad explanation of the scientific method doesn't touch on.
Do you agree that people that ignore the scientific method and refuse to alter their hypothesis when observations and experiments falsify that hypothesis are using pseudoscience?
 
You're making yet another unsubstantiated assertion. Here's what Jim West had to say about another development that happened shortly before polio vaccines were rolled out:
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DDT after 1954

This period is given special consideration for DDT.

After 1954, DDT production increased tremendously, but mainly as an export product. Due to public governmental debate in 1950-51 and numerous policy and legislative changes afterward, its production figures thereon do not at all correlate with U.S. usage or exposure to DDT.

As many studies demonstrate, DDT exposure after 1954 declined sharply, and this decline is represented in the following graph, along with supporting data. DDT production is not shown, post-1954.

Historical context: DDT was incriminated from 1950 until its registration cancelation in 1968 and ban in 1972. Thus, 1950-1951 represents a point of increased public awareness, changes in legislation and policy, voluntary phase-out, and labeling requirements. It is significant for this comparison of DDT against infantile paralysis, that before the period of increased awareness, DDT was mandated on dairies, yet afterward, ruled out of dairies. Much of the domestic usage was shifted to forestry applications, placing less DDT directly into the food chain.

The visual impact of all the persistent pesticide graphs rests upon the assumption that production correlated with human exposure. Given the lack of regulation and the extreme media hype surrounding DDT before 1953, this is not an unrealistic assumption.

It is clear that post-1954 DDT production did not correlate with human exposure. Yet, it is possible to estimate relative values for exposure post-1954. This can be accomplished by reviewing DDT levels in adipose tissue (National Adipose Tissue Survey, and other studies), considering DDT in imported food, and considering the daily amounts of ingested DDT.

The early trend of National Adipose Tissue Survey's can be interpolated back to 1944, six years from 1950, the first Survey year, because it is safe to assume that DDT tissue levels were zero in 1944, since DDT was introduced for domestic usage in 1945. The estimate of DDT exposure is a reasonable because DDT has a half-life of about one year. To achieve any downward trend in the DDT/adipose line, DDT exposure had to have decreased sharply.

Note that no scale is provided for "relative DDT exposure". The Survey values are presented without distortion, linearly, with the starting point at 1954, and values for are estimates based on the Survey and DDT ingestion data.

Error is limited by two boundaries, for the estimated values of DDT exposure. 1) Exposure's downward slope must be much greater than the Survey line's downward slope, because of DDT's half-life. 2) Exposure values must continue at least through 1968.

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Hayes and Laws also used a secondary evaluation, DDT intake per day, to explain that from 1954 to 1964-67, DDT ingestion decreased by an approximate factor of five. Significantly, the Salk vaccine program began in 1954.

The observed decrease in the concentration of DDT in food (Walker et al., 1954; Durham et al., 1965a; Duggan, 1968) offers an adequate reason for the decrease in storage in people. The average intake of p,p'-DDT and of total DDT-derived material was 0.178 and 0.280 mg/human/day, respectively, in 1954, but only 0.028 and 0.063 mg/human/day, respectively, during the period 1964-1967. (Hayes and Laws, page 303)
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The author makes an assumption that DDT exposure correlates with production but then in the next paragraph admits that production doesn't correlate with human exposure. To normal people this would point to the assumption being wrong. To you and the author, you just ignore the fact that his assumption is wrong and continue on as if it was correct. Do you agree that refusing to change your assumption when it is shown to be wrong is pseudoscience?
 
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