Dixie dumb or just trying to confuse?

Dixie said:
It doesn't classify Sarin as a WMD, it classifies Sarin as a Schedule 1 chemical, and stipulates that Schedule 1 chemicals which are weaponized, are WMD's. I'm not using any frilly language, the CWC is in plain English. It doesn't simply "discuss" WMD's, it articulates what is defined as a WMD, sets parameters for determining what is a WMD, and establishes criteria on which a weapon is considered to be a WMD. Nothing in the CWC relates to the age or potentcy of the weapon, except for details concerning "old munitions" which the CWC describes as those weapons made before 1946.

And no, I am not 'dumb or something', I am a fairly smart guy. It's you who seems to have a problem adequately supporting your arguments, spelling simple words or comprehending basic English.

You have yet to provide any evidence that any body has ever made any distinction on a WMD, based on the suspected potentcy, age, strength, or effectiveness of the chemical components, whatsoever. There is absolutely nothing to support your argument, except your own pinhead logic, and that isn't going to win a debate for you, sorry.
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I have concluded that Dixie's argument here is just plain ignorant and he is masochistic and loves to continue bashing his head against a wall. If something can't hurt you it is not a WMD, does he really think that agencies are going to go on and on about that like he does. I don't think so, but just because they don't spend time talking about when Sarin is not a WMD, does not support, validate or prove his position. In fact, what their lack of any information about this topic really shows is how ridiculous his continued haranging is.

And how ridiculous is that--Damn Ridiculous.

Oh yeah and he continues to assert how smart he is too...notice that. Hey, Dixie, if you didn't continue to degradate everyone else as a "pinhead" and put so much emphasis on really ridiculous positions in your arguments and posts, you probably wouldn't feel the need to continuously tell us just how smart you really are.
 
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I have concluded that Dixie's argument here is just plain ignorant and he is masochistic and loves to continue bashing his head against a wall. If something can't hurt you it is not a WMD, does he really think that agencies are going to go on and on about that like he does. I don't think so, but just because they don't spend time talking about when Sarin is not a WMD, does not support, validate or prove his position. In fact, what their lack of any information about this topic really shows is how ridiculous his continued haranging is.

And how ridiculous is that--Damn Ridiculous.

Oh yeah and he continues to assert how smart he is too...notice that. Hey, Dixie, if you didn't continue to degradate everyone else as a "pinhead" and put so much emphasis on really ridiculous positions in your arguments and posts, you probably wouldn't feel the need to continuously tell us just how smart you really are.
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Oh, I don't have a need to tell you how smart I am, any thinking and intelligent person can see, I've completely run circles around you in this debate, and owned you six ways from Sunday. About all you have left to say is... Dixie is Dumb! Dixie is Stupid! Dixie is Ignorant! You can't back your idiotic points with anything relevant, you haven't presented any tangible evidence to support your lunacy, and every post just gets you a little more intense and frustrated, with the name-calling rhetoric.

The CWC didn't establish the criteria on WMD's based on whether or not they can hurt you, or some pinhead moron's perception of whether they can hurt you. They laid out specific guidelines as to what chemicals pose the greatest threat as WMD's when weaponized, and Sarin was at the top of the list. Nothing in the CWC even relates to the age of the weapon, exept in dealing with pre-WWII era chemical weapons, which are still not categorized as "non-WMD's" according to the CWC.


We need to also keep in mind, the CWC was convened in 1973, and the Sarin bombs found in Iraq were produced long after Iraq signed this treaty, promising not to produce such weapons, and also committing to destroy any remnants of such weapons. So, while Iraq made the promise to not make Sarin bombs anymore, they continued to do so for at least another 20 years. Instead of fulfilling their committment to destroy the WMD's, they lied about them and claimed they destroyed them when they didn't. WMD's that were produced long after they agreed to not produce them anymore.

Perhaps Saddam ignored the CWC like you are, and tried to apply Pinhead Logic to the situation, thus giving him an excuse to continue doing what he promised he wouldn't?
 
just because they don't spend time talking about when Sarin is not a WMD

Let's be perfectly clear on this... Sarin, is NOT a WMD. Sarin is a chemical nerve agent, expressly made for the sole purpose of making WMD's. If we had simply found Sarin in Iraq, it would have been a violation of the CWC, and international law, as well as UN mandates, but it would not have been a WMD. The fact that the Sarin was integrated into a weapon, makes it a WMD, and nothing changes that fact of life.
 
Dixie said:
It doesn't classify Sarin as a WMD, it classifies Sarin as a Schedule 1 chemical, and stipulates that Schedule 1 chemicals which are weaponized, are WMD's. I'm not using any frilly language, the CWC is in plain English. It doesn't simply "discuss" WMD's, it articulates what is defined as a WMD, sets parameters for determining what is a WMD, and establishes criteria on which a weapon is considered to be a WMD. Nothing in the CWC relates to the age or potentcy of the weapon, except for details concerning "old munitions" which the CWC describes as those weapons made before 1946.

And no, I am not 'dumb or something', I am a fairly smart guy. It's you who seems to have a problem adequately supporting your arguments, spelling simple words or comprehending basic English.

You have yet to provide any evidence that any body has ever made any distinction on a WMD, based on the suspected potentcy, age, strength, or effectiveness of the chemical components, whatsoever. There is absolutely nothing to support your argument, except your own pinhead logic, and that isn't going to win a debate for you, sorry.
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It does NOT stipulate that weaponized schedule one chemicals are all WMD.
 
Dixie said:
just because they don't spend time talking about when Sarin is not a WMD

Let's be perfectly clear on this... Sarin, is NOT a WMD. Sarin is a chemical nerve agent, expressly made for the sole purpose of making WMD's. If we had simply found Sarin in Iraq, it would have been a violation of the CWC, and international law, as well as UN mandates, but it would not have been a WMD. The fact that the Sarin was integrated into a weapon, makes it a WMD, and nothing changes that fact of life.
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Why, just because you say so?
 
Jarod said:
Why, just because you say so?
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No, because the CWC says so.

http://www.opcw.org/html/db/cwc/eng/cwc_frameset.html

Go there and read it! It contains 26 Articles and an 11-part Index, and is far too extensive to copy and paste here. You can continue to refute this if you like, but I've posted the link and the source for you to verify what I said. If you can find where Iv'e misinterpreted, please demonstrate that by posting something from the source material and showing how I misinterpreted it.
 
Dixie said:
No, because the CWC says so.

http://www.opcw.org/html/db/cwc/eng/cwc_frameset.html

Go there and read it! It contains 26 Articles and an 11-part Index, and is far too extensive to copy and paste here. You can continue to refute this if you like, but I've posted the link and the source for you to verify what I said. If you can find where Iv'e misinterpreted, please demonstrate that by posting something from the source material and showing how I misinterpreted it.
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Again you are asking me to prove a negative, It does not say what you claim it says, if it did you would post that portion!


I CHALLANGE you to post any portion that classifies seirn as a WMD!

I CHALLANGE anyone!
 
Dixie said:
Oh, I don't have a need to tell you how smart I am, any thinking and intelligent person can see, I've completely run circles around you in this debate, and owned you six ways from Sunday. About all you have left to say is... Dixie is Dumb! Dixie is Stupid! Dixie is Ignorant! You can't back your idiotic points with anything relevant, you haven't presented any tangible evidence to support your lunacy, and every post just gets you a little more intense and frustrated, with the name-calling rhetoric.

The CWC didn't establish the criteria on WMD's based on whether or not they can hurt you, or some pinhead moron's perception of whether they can hurt you. They laid out specific guidelines as to what chemicals pose the greatest threat as WMD's when weaponized, and Sarin was at the top of the list. Nothing in the CWC even relates to the age of the weapon, exept in dealing with pre-WWII era chemical weapons, which are still not categorized as "non-WMD's" according to the CWC.

We need to also keep in mind, the CWC was convened in 1973, and the Sarin bombs found in Iraq were produced long after Iraq signed this treaty, promising not to produce such weapons, and also committing to destroy any remnants of such weapons. So, while Iraq made the promise to not make Sarin bombs anymore, they continued to do so for at least another 20 years. Instead of fulfilling their committment to destroy the WMD's, they lied about them and claimed they destroyed them when they didn't. WMD's that were produced long after they agreed to not produce them anymore.

Perhaps Saddam ignored the CWC like you are, and tried to apply Pinhead Logic to the situation, thus giving him an excuse to continue doing what he promised he wouldn't?
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Here is my original post in its entirety minue the :gives: sticker:

I have concluded that Dixie's argument here is just plain ignorant and he is masochistic and loves to continue bashing his head against a wall. If something can't hurt you it is not a WMD, does he really think that agencies are going to go on and on about that like he does. I don't think so, but just because they don't spend time talking about when Sarin is not a WMD, does not support, validate or prove his position. In fact, what their lack of any information about this topic really shows is how ridiculous his continued haranging is.

And how ridiculous is that--Damn Ridiculous.

Oh yeah and he continues to assert how smart he is too...notice that. Hey, Dixie, if you didn't continue to degradate everyone else as a "pinhead" and put so much emphasis on really ridiculous positions in your arguments and posts, you probably wouldn't feel the need to continuously tell us just how smart you really are.

As you can see except for calling your behavior masochistic, I really don't call you any names and reserve my claims of ignorant and rediculous to you ideas and posts, which while it may be namecalling it is directed toward your ideas and trust me plenty of really smart people subscribe to stupid ideas. Calling someone's ideas stupid is not the same as calling them stupid. Someone as smart as you claim to be should be able to grasp that concept and see their mistake. While it is clear that you cannot differentiaate yourself from your ideas by your claim that "About all you have left to say is... Dixie is Dumb! Dixie is Stupid! Dixie is Ignorant! " I never said any of those things. So where is all your self-abuse and hallucinatory persecution coming from???

Further you claim that "I don't have a need to tell you how smart I am" but it is also clear that you earlier said, "I am not 'dumb or something', I am a fairly smart guy" so... the question then is if you don't feel a need to tell me or anyone else evidently how smart you are, why is this at least the second time that you have asserted just that: How smart you are or that you are "a fairly smart guy"???

You might want to think about this as you continue forward. It will improve your image on the baord and you will save yourself the embarrassment of more posts like this one where your dishonesty and disingenuousness is writ large.

;)
 
Jarod said:
Again you are asking me to prove a negative, It does not say what you claim it says, if it did you would post that portion!


I CHALLANGE you to post any portion that classifies seirn as a WMD!

I CHALLANGE anyone!
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Apparently you are having trouble comprehending what I said, if you think I argued that the CWC classifies Sarin as a WMD, because it doesn't. The CWC was formed to address the problem with chemical weapons of mass destruction, it articulates this in the preamble. In doing this, it classifies chemicals into "schedules" depending on their usage, and it defines Sarin nerve agent as a Schedule 1 chemical agent. Some people might argue that any chemical weapon is a WMD, however some chemical weapons are used for riot control, or for defensive purposes only, so this distinction would be incorrect. Some people argue that only a nuclear bomb should be called a WMD, since it's the only weapon that is non-discriminate in its destruction of life and property. A Sarin bomb doesn't destroy property at all, even when it's fully potent, so the criteria of determining WMD's based on destructive capability is also subjective and flawed. The CWC classifies any Schedule 1 chemical used in a weapon, as a weapon of mass destruction, since that was the purpose of the CWC and the classification by schedule, of the chemical components used in WMD production, to begin with.

I'm not asking you to prove a negative, you haven't presented a negative, you've presented a positive... You have stated that a degraded Sarin bomb is not a WMD, and you've given no basis of support for this argument thus far. In fact, you've been presented legitimate and tangible evidence to the contrary, and you've gone on a three-week rampage to refudiate it, armed with nothing but your pinhead viewpoint and cheerleading from the peanut gallery. I need to see something that leads you to believe the CWC is incorrect and I am wrong, that's not asking you to prove a negative, it's asking you to make your case. I am a fair and open minded person, if you have a legitimate source to refute what the CWC says, or you can find something I missed in the CWC with regard to degraded Sarin bombs, I want you to have every opportunity to post it, and I promise I will admit I am wrong if you show me where. So far, you have submitted the opinion of yourself, and what you think Kay and Duelfer said, none of which is outlined or established by the CWC with regard to WMD's, so it's irrelevant. If the CWC had said... we hereby deem that individual weapons experts can determine what IS and ISN'T a WMD... that would be the criteria we use to define them, and you would have a legitimate and valid point and I would be wrong.... but that isn't what the CWC said at all. They didn't leave it up to arbitrary pinhead perception of what a particular weapon might be capable of, and they didn't propose any measure to use this as a criteria by anyone. If you can show me where they say this, or anything remotely close, I will listen! So far, you haven't done a whole lot of anything, except run your mouth and make a fool of yourself.
 
Jarod: you do realize, of course, that Dixie will never admit to anything ever, and that the purpose of his continued participation in this thread is to tie you up - and occupy himself - so that neither of you will be able to discuss the things that really matter. This is similar to the old 1/3 thread in that way.
 
Before I stated that a degraded Serin Munition was not a WMD... You said it was.

I am asking you to prove your prior posative statement, and you are asking me to prove my post negative statement!

And you have claimed the CWC does classify the munitions you are talking about as WMD...
 
Dixe, you said...

"It (the CWC) defines Schedule 1 chemical agents, like Sarin, and stipulates that weapons made with these chemicals, are WMD's."

I ask again, where does it stipulate that weapons made with these chemicals are wmd's?

Just post the words that make this alleged stipulaton.
 
Hey Prickster.... I didn't realize you were counting how many times I said I was smart. If it matters to you, most smart people already know they are smarter than others, so it doesn't bother them to say so.

Dumb people will often make the mistake of thinking smart people feel guilty for their intellect, and wouldn't ever brag about it, and while some smart people are very modest about it, others enjoy antagonizing dumb people without any guilt or reservation. You see, when Alexx was busy fantasizing about being Luke Skywalker, I was busy tutoring my daughter on her spelling tests... while you were busy striking out with chicks at the bowling alley, I was busy cramming for a history final to secure an academic scholarship... so I guess the hard work pays off in the end, at least, I enjoy educating pinheads... very personally gratifying.
 
Dixe, you said...

[COLOR="YellowGreen] It (the CWC) defines Schedule 1 chemical agents, like Sarin, and stipulates that weapons made with these chemicals, are WMD's[/COLOR]

I ask again, where does it stipulate that weapons made with these chemicals are wmd's?

Just post the words that make this alleged stipulaton.
 
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Jarod said:
Dixe, you said...

"It (the CWC) defines Schedule 1 chemical agents, like Sarin, and stipulates that weapons made with these chemicals, are WMD's."

I ask again, where does it stipulate that weapons made with these chemicals are wmd's?

Just post the words that make this alleged stipulaton.
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Well, it says it in the preamble...

Determined to act with a view to achieving effective progress towards general and complete disarmament under strict and effective international control, including the prohibition and elimination of all types of weapons of mass destruction,

Then it goes on to list the types.... the FIRST type of WMD are the ones made with Schedule 1 chemical agents. Sarin is a Schedule 1 chemical agent, and the very FIRST chemical they list. How can you argue that the CWC doesn't classify Sarin bombs as WMD's is beyond the realm of comprehension. It's about as fucking plain as the nose on your face, the only thing the CWC left out was a disclaimer to idiots...HEY MORON... ALL SARIN BOMBS ARE WMDS!
 
Dixie said:
Well, it says it in the preamble...

Determined to act with a view to achieving effective progress towards general and complete disarmament under strict and effective international control, including the prohibition and elimination of all types of weapons of mass destruction,

Then it goes on to list the types.... the FIRST type of WMD are the ones made with Schedule 1 chemical agents. Sarin is a Schedule 1 chemical agent, and the very FIRST chemical they list. How can you argue that the CWC doesn't classify Sarin bombs as WMD's is beyond the realm of comprehension. It's about as fucking plain as the nose on your face, the only thing the CWC left out was a disclaimer to idiots...HEY MORON... ALL SARIN BOMBS ARE WMDS!
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Okay maybe the problem here Dixie is that you need to look up the word, INCLUDING because that means the list includes a type but it does not exclude others.

Again where does it:

"...stipulate that weapons made with these chemicals, are WMD's."


????


FACE IT, the CWC does not do that!
 
Determined to act with a view to achieving effective progress towards general and complete disarmament, including the prohibition and elimination of all types of weapons of mass destruction, and convinced that the prohibition of the development, production and stockpiling of chemical and bacteriological (biological) weapons and their elimination, through effective measures, will facilitate the achievement of general and complete disarmament under strict and effective international control,

Somehow Dixie left out the part of the preamble that is in bold...
 
Remember when you said...

"it (Sarin gas) is classified as a weapon of mass destruction by the United Nations according to UN Resolution 687"


We debunked that and now we have debunked...

"It (the CWC) defines Schedule 1 chemical agents, like Sarin, and stipulates that weapons made with these chemicals, are WMD's."


NEXT???
 
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