Disillusioned With Dems and GOP, Independents Now Largest Voter Group in the US

NiftyNiblick said:
Our MOs are different, I suppose.
I vote for whom I want in the Democratic Primary.
I vote for the Democratic nominee in the general election.

My hatred for Republicans is clearly more viscerally felt than yours.
I would be incapable of voting for one under any circumstances.
Republicans have and do demonstrably diminish my life, and anybody who is willing to have (R) appear after his/her/its name forfeits human status as far as I'm concerned.
This is best illustrated by my support for Democrats for whom I have very little if any respect.
Not supporting them increases a Republican's chance of winning, and if I believed in mortal sins, doing that is perhaps on a level with child molestation or abusing puppies--something with which I could never live..
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Keep in mind that for almost all of my voting life, until we moved here five years ago, my vote never really counted except at the local level. I lived in a purple state that became solid bleeding fuck-the-citizens red over the decades. We did used to have some (D) governors and the occasional senator in Missouri, but over time they were vanquished in favor of fascism. Nevertheless, I still voted for those who represented my values, even though they never had a chance.

It takes a dedicated citizen, no matter what political party, to continue to vote even though it really does not matter because of gerrymandering, massive corporate and other big money donors, and the EC. The (R)s count on this to make us give up.
 
Celticguy said:
I recall Ronald Reagan talking about how the democrats went off to the left leaving him behind.
they never stopped moving left, just picked up the pace.
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If that's true, then why In the last 30 years of Presidential Elections, the Republicans have only won the popular vote ONCE???
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Our MOs are different, I suppose.
I vote for whom I want in the Democratic Primary.
I vote for the Democratic nominee in the general election.

My hatred for Republicans is clearly more viscerally felt than yours.
I would be incapable of voting for one under any circumstances.
Republicans have and do demonstrably diminish my life, and anybody who is willing to have (R) appear after his/her/its name forfeits human status as far as I'm concerned.
This is best illustrated by my support for Democrats for whom I have very little if any respect.
Not supporting them increases a Republican's chance of winning, and if I believed in mortal sins, doing that is perhaps on a level with child molestation or abusing puppies--something with which I could never live..
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not diminished enough...
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
I probably confused everyone including myself.

The laws governing state primaries are complex and nuanced to say the least, and state primary laws have been a cause of confusion among voters and election administrators alike.The manner in which party primary elections are conducted varies widely from state to state. Primaries can be categorized as either closed, partially closed, partially open, open to unaffiliated voters, open or top-two.

I was basically referring to the states that are now trying to pass legislatures that would make it legal to vote in both the Democrat and Republican primaries in their states.

Sorry for the confusion.
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Do you know which states are attempting to do that? I’ve not heard that and seems very strange to me as it’s letting people vote twice.
 
Joe Capitalist said:
Yes! Both parties suck.
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The millennials outnumber us Boomers now. They don't tend to register with parties like people used to do. They also tend to be more progressive. #TRE45ON and the (R)s shot themselves in the feet when they mismanaged and misinformed people about the pandemic. The vast majority of deaths from the virus were among us older people, who are much more conservative than the younger group.

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ThatOwlWoman said:
Keep in mind that for almost all of my voting life, until we moved here five years ago, my vote never really counted except at the local level. I lived in a purple state that became solid bleeding fuck-the-citizens red over the decades. We did used to have some (D) governors and the occasional senator in Missouri, but over time they were vanquished in favor of fascism. Nevertheless, I still voted for those who represented my values, even though they never had a chance.

It takes a dedicated citizen, no matter what political party, to continue to vote even though it really does not matter because of gerrymandering, massive corporate and other big money donors, and the EC. The (R)s count on this to make us give up.
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I'm still persona non grata on your thread, by the way.
Nothing I can do seems to fix it.
Just so you don't think I'm boycotting it or anything!
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
The millennials outnumber us Boomers now. They don't tend to register with parties like people used to do. They also tend to be more progressive. #TRE45ON and the (R)s shot themselves in the feet when they mismanaged and misinformed people about the pandemic. The vast majority of deaths from the virus were among us older people, who are much more conservative than the younger group.

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Weren’t a number of the conservative Boomers more liberal back in their youth? That’s not to say history will repeat itself and these young folks will become conservative but I can imagine the progressive millennials/Gen Z of today probably aren’t all that different than younger Boomers who were rebelling against the conformity of their parents generation.
 
cawacko said:
Do you know which states are attempting to do that? I’ve not heard that and seems very strange to me as it’s letting people vote twice.
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I know that in Texas, we do have Open Primaries, and you can vote in either the Republican "OR" Democrat primary. And regardless who you vote for in the Primary, one can switch parties and vote for the other in the General Election.

But what you can't do is vote one way on the primary, and if the opposite party goes into a runoff- YOU CANNOT SWITCH PARTIES AND Vote in that primary runoff.

What was being proposed by some on the Texas State Legislators, was that voters would be allowed to vote in these runoffs regardless to how they voted originally! Well, it never came up for referendum or didn't get the votes in Texas Congress to pass, and I haven't heard anymore about that since the primary is over. The Texas Politics news program I was watching, where I heard this, said 11 other states looked at this as well.
 
cawacko said:
Weren’t a number of the conservative Boomers more liberal back in their youth? That’s not to say history will repeat itself and these young folks will become conservative but I can imagine the progressive millennials/Gen Z of today probably aren’t all that different than younger Boomers who were rebelling against the conformity of their parents generation.
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Some ppl do turn more conservative with age, usually due to uneasiness about change and a desire to return to what they thought of as safety when they were young. That being said, in the half a century since I was a teenager and now, we have had great progressive change that the younger gens are not likely to want to roll back. For example there's a lot more acceptance of alternative sexuality and racial/ethnic/nationality diversity than there was 50 years ago. Women have a choice whether and when to have children. Women have careers now other than homemaker. Dads care for and nurture their children as much as moms. No one wants to turn back to the 1950s like many conservatives long for.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Some ppl do turn more conservative with age, usually due to uneasiness about change and a desire to return to what they thought of as safety when they were young. That being said, in the half a century since I was a teenager and now, we have had great progressive change that the younger gens are not likely to want to roll back. For example there's a lot more acceptance of alternative sexuality and racial/ethnic/nationality diversity than there was 50 years ago. Women have a choice whether and when to have children. Women have careers now other than homemaker. Dads care for and nurture their children as much as moms. No one wants to turn back to the 1950s like many conservatives long for.
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Today you have many young Republicans who have no issue with gay marriage and are pro weed. Depending on one’s perspective that’s either progress or they’re still evil if they hold more pro market economic views and vote the way they do.

But yes, views on many issues have changed over time. No question
 
cawacko said:
Weren’t a number of the conservative Boomers more liberal back in their youth? That’s not to say history will repeat itself and these young folks will become conservative but I can imagine the progressive millennials/Gen Z of today probably aren’t all that different than younger Boomers who were rebelling against the conformity of their parents generation.
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I was more liberal in my youth in the 60s & 70s but we were dealing with the Viet Nam war, Social justice, Watergate and gas crises so it was a very volatile time period. I've become more conservative as I've aged and I think many follow that pattern. When you're young, you want to save the world but when you get old, you just want to save your soul.
 
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