Did Hitler gain power by banning guns?

  • Thread starter Thread starter Guns Guns Guns
  • Start date Start date
The 'source' is years of study on WWII with a specific interest in the persecution of Jews in Germany....While "ghettos" as we know them were never in Germany proper, restrictions on the areas they could live, forcing them to move into shared houses called "Judenhauser" or "Jew Houses", and curfew restrictions as well as restrictions to the time of day they could even purchase something, made effective ghettos.


So, you admit that you have no source that can be examined and verified?

Try this - it doesn't seem to support your theory about Jews eagerly surrendering their arms to their rightwing conquerors:

http://www.warsaw-life.com/poland/warsaw-ghetto-uprising
 
So Roosevelt and Churchill could conceivably be added to the list of gun-banners?

roosevelt most definitely, seeing how he promoted and signed the NFA of 34. Churchill I don't know about. I know that England begged and pleaded the people of the US to send them surplus rifles to use for the war. not sure about immediately after.
 
If you have some evidence to the contrary, I'd be happy to see it.

I doubt it, but here:

In 1945 General Eisenhower ordered all privately owned firearms in the American occupation zone of Germany confiscated, and Germans were required to hand in their shotguns and rifles as well as any handguns which had not already been stolen. In the Soviet occupation zone German civilians were summarily shot if they were found in possession of even a single cartridge.


http://www.archive.org/stream/GunControlInGermany1928-1945/MicrosoftWord-Document1_djvu.txt


I look forward to your attack on the source.
 
roosevelt most definitely, seeing how he promoted and signed the NFA of 34. Churchill I don't know about. I know that England begged and pleaded the people of the US to send them surplus rifles to use for the war. not sure about immediately after.

So this target could have FDR on it?


All%20in%20Favor%20of%20GC.jpg
 
The 'source' is years of study on WWII with a specific interest in the persecution of Jews in Germany.

On November 11th, 1938 (before the war) Germany passed "Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons" (it's what they called it).

At that time Jews were wearing stars on their shirts, had been kicked out of a list of professions, but Ghettos were not yet there. The Jews that remained in Germany desperately worked to try to maintain a certain level of freedoms that they were doomed to lose over time, to do this they followed the laws in the hopes that "this one" would be the last. When the weapons ban came, almost all weapons were turned over pursuant to the law, and once the "Jewish Houses" were set up it became easier for the authorities to search and seize any weapons that remained.

After the war began (September 1st, 1939) more restrictions came on the Jews that were still in Germany, including restrictions of areas they could go, curfews, restrictions on the time of day they could purchase any food at all, food rationing specific to Jews, they passed regulations forcing Jews to turn over property (radios, electrical appliances, etc.), and forced labor for all Jews who were healthy enough to work.

While "ghettos" as we know them were never in Germany proper, restrictions on the areas they could live, forcing them to move into shared houses called "Judenhauser" or "Jew Houses", and curfew restrictions as well as restrictions to the time of day they could even purchase something, made effective ghettos.

This is the style of argument Damo describes as "if I say it it then it is real".

Not that I disagree.
 
you're saying that the jews, pols, and gypsies were not denied ownership of firearms?

Poles (I assume that's what you mean), gypsies and many Jews were not German citizens.


Gypsies and conquered Poles would have been banned from owning firearms as enemy aliens in one case and as stateless persons in the other.


The National Socialists defined citizenship in ethnic terms, and under Hitler Jews were not accorded full rights of citizenship.

National Socialist legislation progressively excluded Jews from key professions: teaching, the media, the practice of law, etc. The aim was not only to free German life from Jewish influence, but to persuade Jews to emigrate.

The German Weapons Law of March 18, 1938 specifically excluded Jews from manufacturing or dealing in firearms or munitions, but it did not exclude them from owning or bearing personal firearms.



http://www.archive.org/stream/GunControlInGermany1928-1945/MicrosoftWord-Document1_djvu.txt
 
So, you admit that you have no source that can be examined and verified?

Try this - it doesn't seem to support your theory about Jews eagerly surrendering their arms to their rightwing conquerors:

http://www.warsaw-life.com/poland/warsaw-ghetto-uprising

You do know that Warsaw is not in Germany, and the Jews in those ghettos were not Germans, at least I suspect you do.

You are being disingenuous.

Anyway, just searching some of my basic points I came up with this:

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005469

As for what I said about the German Jews abiding by the law, that came from personal interviews with Holocaust survivors. We had an event each year in the church I grew up in called "Israel Awareness Day" I, as a Jr. High kid, headed up the art projects for the Holocaust memorial rooms. (We recreated some amazing things). To get as much accuracy as possible I spoke with many survivors. I did this until I entered the military at 17, so about 4 years worth of study with a strong interest in accuracy.

The reactions I received from the survivors that visited my area of the displays was nothing short of inspiring. The terrible things that were done there are something that should never be forgotten.
 
Back
Top