Did Biden really say Antifa was an idea?

AProudLefty said:
Uh I did provide a partial transcript.
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uuh, you had to scroll past a bunch of bullshit lies and partisan hack rants to get to anything resembling a transcript - and that one isn't even accurate

but I think you have proven who you are here. I don't share links that are so vile with lies - you do - often - and proudly
 
zymurgy said:
uuh, you had to scroll past a bunch of bullshit lies and partisan hack rants to get to anything resembling a transcript - and that one isn't even accurate

but I think you have proven who you are here. I don't share links that are so vile with lies - you do - often
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What is not accurate? I provided a link showing that Biden said that the FBI director said Antifa was an idea (ideology).
 
AProudLefty said:
What is not accurate? I provided a link showing that Biden said that the FBI director said Antifa was an idea (ideology).
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hey weasle boy - are you now saying the Proud Boys is a white supremacist group?

debating with you is like stapling jello to the wall
 
AProudLefty said:
I don't know much about the Proud Boys to comment.
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yet you are fine posting a link where the first several paragraphs and the point of the article you post is to say it is such a thing

do you often go around posting derogatory things when you don't know much?
 
Darth Omar said:
Did he really say that?

I can’t find the clip.
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Yup. They're all just a pack of wild ideologies trespassing, burning, looting, destroying, injuring and killing people.

At time mark 1:53:33




Extremism, Terrorism & Bigotry
Free Speech
Who are Antifa?

These violent counter-protesters are often part of “antifa” (short for “antifascist”), a loose collection of groups, networks and individuals who believe in active, aggressive opposition to far right-wing movements.
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/who-are-antifa

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Then we get FBI guy Wray with double-speak. C'mon Chris......every group made up of human activists are promoting an "idea". It's the humans that put their "ideas" into action.
Therefore their group/organization gets a name. In this case it's Antifa.

"Wray did not dispute in his testimony Thursday that antifa activists were a serious concern, saying that antifa was a “real thing” and that the FBI had undertaken “any number of properly predicated investigations into what we would describe as violent anarchist extremists,” including into individuals who identify with antifa."
 
Earl said:
Well, he did say that.

Presidential Debate: Joe Biden Says Antifa is 'An Idea, Not An ...
www.nationalreview.com › news › biden-says-antifa-is-...
9 hours ago - The comments came after President Trump said someone should “do something” about the anti-fascist movement, saying far-left anarchists are
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He was quoting Christopher Wray, Mr. Earl.

WASHINGTON (AP) — FBI Director Chris Wray told lawmakers Thursday that antifa is an ideology, not an organization, delivering testimony that puts him at odds with President Donald Trump, who has said he would designate it a terror group...

Wray did not dispute in his testimony Thursday that antifa activists were a serious concern, saying that antifa was a “real thing” and that the FBI had undertaken “any number of properly predicated investigations into what we would describe as violent anarchist extremists,” including into individuals who identify with antifa.

But, he said, “It’s not a group or an organization. It’s a movement or an ideology.”

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-race-and-ethnicity-archive-bdd3b6078e9efadcfcd0be4b65f2362e
 
anatta said:
I'd have to see the quote, but most people dont really understand what "organization" is

It doesn't necessarily mean there is a titular head/ horizontal orgs for ex. are like ANTIFA with local chapters.
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Saying antifa is an organization is like saying there's been a war on terror.

Both antifascism and terror are beliefs, ideas and concepts.
 
AProudLefty said:
Actually they usually show up every time organizations like Proud Boys show up.
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iu
 
AProudLefty said:
Antifa isn't organized but BLM is with many chapters.
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ANTIFA is very organized. Their leaders remain hidden for obvious reasons.

Perú, for many years, had the exact same ANTIFA/BLM arrangement, i.e. Sendero Luminoso/Tupac Amaru. Both were "domestic terrorist" organizations that promted Peruvians to elect Fujimori simply on the platform of promising to put an end to all the terror.

ANTIFA and Sendero Luminoso are Marxist Anarchist organizations whose leaders don't dare show their faces lest they face the death penalty. They are not socialists.

BLM and Tupac Amaru are Marxist causes rallying around a selected victim group. They lean socialist. Their concern for said victim group ends with the name of the organization as only a small percentage of the organization is of the celebrated victim group, however the socialist cause requires all members to virtue-signal the victimhood of the group as the doctrine that unites the members under the cause.

These organizations have been around for centuries and did not somehow recently "form spontaneously" in the US. Organizations such as these are always ready to spring into existence with funding and logistics support whenever certain political environmental factors are right. As my signature states, they ALWAYS wear the disguise of being brand new to make the members feel like it's THEIR cause ... and so they don't realize that they are being used by much bigger powers who care nothing for them and who will discard them when convenient.

Hitler's ANTIFA were the brown shirts. He used them to propel him into power, even though he hated them, he never trusted them and disposed of them when first feasible.

ANTIFA is not new, is not an idea and is definitely very organized.
 
Darth Omar said:
Did he really say that?
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Antifa is not an organization, and has no desire to be an organization. It is barely a movement, and is definitely an idea.

In the past, movements like that have never been able to gain power. They can move societies, but not get goals. The Volks Movement in Germany definitely moved their society, but the Nazis got control. The anarchists socialists overthrew governments in Russia, but the statist socialists were able to establish a government.

The peace movement of the 1960's definitely changed America, but was unable to grab power. The current Alt Right movement has done less to change society, but has grabbed power in a way that movements in general cannot.
 
anatta said:
he did. it was pathetic. ANTIFA is a horizontal hierarchy
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There is no hierarchy or overarching organization. There are a few social interconnections, but Antifa transcends even them. There is no International, like the statist socialists had.
 
Walt said:
Antifa is not an organization, and has no desire to be an organization. It is barely a movement, and is definitely an idea.

In the past, movements like that have never been able to gain power. They can move societies, but not get goals. The Volks Movement in Germany definitely moved their society, but the Nazis got control. The anarchists socialists overthrew governments in Russia, but the statist socialists were able to establish a government.

The peace movement of the 1960's definitely changed America, but was unable to grab power. The current Alt Right movement has done less to change society, but has grabbed power in a way that movements in general cannot.
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it's a distributed network. it has a website and similar goals across the country. they even dress alike

Wray said it wasn't an organization but also said "it's real" - being all that matters
 
anatta said:
it's a distributed network. it has a website and similar goals across the country. they even dress alike

Wray said it wasn't an organization but also said "it's real" - being all that matters
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It's odd that Salty alt-left Walty claims to be intimately familiar with Antifa's desires, isn't it?

Then there's this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)
 
anatta said:
it's a distributed network.
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It is a bit of a social network, but there are huge disconnects. For instance, if someone in Portland reads a book by a dead person in Scotland, that is not a social network. There is no back and forth. There is no continuity of organization. At best it is a movement, but even that is a bit of a stretch.
 
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