Did Biden really say Antifa was an idea?

AProudLefty said:
Nope. He said that Trump's own FBI said it was an idea, not an organization.
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The FBI director is not running for anything. The FBI director is not participating in the debate.

If Biden is going to make the claim, he owns it, he doesn't get to make the argument and then claim that it was someone else's argument.

Biden claimed that ANTIFA is an idea, he just tried to give himself an "out" for future weaseling, but it's not valid.

One either accepts that ANTIFA and unlawful violence is a LEFT Problem or one accepts that Biden claims ANTIFA is just an idea. No weaseling allowed.
 
IBDaMann said:
The FBI director is not running for anything. The FBI director is not participating in the debate.

If Biden is going to make the claim, he owns it, he doesn't get to make the argument and then claim that it was someone else's argument.

Biden claimed that ANTIFA is an idea, he just tried to give himself an "out" for future weaseling, but it's not valid.

One either accepts that ANTIFA and unlawful violence is a LEFT Problem or one accepts that Biden claims ANTIFA is just an idea. No weaseling allowed.
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So does that mean Trump's refusal to condemn the white supremacists is weaseling?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Antifa operates as a distributed network rather than as a traditional top-down hierarchy as an organization. That is, there is no national leadership, but rather a large number of local chapters that have local leadership that networks with other chapters to operate in unison on a larger scale. This was deliberately done to make infiltration by law enforcement harder while at the same time making identification of members and chapters more difficult since Antifa knows full well that they are going to be doing illegal things to further their goals.

This choice came about after radical Leftist groups like Earth First! were infiltrated by FBI informants to gather evidence against the group. Antifa actively seeks to prevent this from happening. Thus, why they operate as a decentralized network. But that doesn't mean they aren't an organization, they are, and they are a nationwide one.
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correct. I called it a horizontal organization -but "distributed network"is a very clear nomenclature for it
Wray also said "It's a real thing"
 
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That's how Antifa is organized. It's a real thing, it is an organization, and it has nationwide, and worldwide chapters.

If you were trying to unravel the network and find the most important individuals in it, you look for the critical nodes (bottlenecks) and those with the most connections to other nodes. Those persons are the ones holding the organization together and the best points to gain intelligence from or take out (eg., arrest) as they cause the most damage to the network when removed.
 
IBDaMann said:
The FBI director is not running for anything. The FBI director is not participating in the debate.

If Biden is going to make the claim, he owns it, he doesn't get to make the argument and then claim that it was someone else's argument.

Biden claimed that ANTIFA is an idea, he just tried to give himself an "out" for future weaseling, but it's not valid.

One either accepts that ANTIFA and unlawful violence is a LEFT Problem or one accepts that Biden claims ANTIFA is just an idea. No weaseling allowed.
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Part of the problem for Biden and the lefties is a narrative problem.

For years, the narrative has been that white supremacy/terrorism is a real problem yada yada. Problem is, these groups somehow manage to stay out of the news—even though the democrats media would like nothing better than to report on them.

Then the summer of 2020 happened. Anyone with functioning retinas could see the real threat to peace and tranquillity was the militant left. For Biden to concede that Antifa is a real problem guts the narrative.

Their only alternative is gas light it with the Proud Boys. Wallace either played along with it or he isn’t nearly the sophisticated journalist he thinks he is.
 
Biden was correct. Antifa does not have an army or an organization. It is an internet idea that uses the net to communicate. Most of us think being anti Fascist is a good idea, especially in the time of Trump. Only rightys have been fooled into thinking Antifa is a huge threat. They fall into the boogieman trap so easily.
 
AProudLefty said:
So does that mean Trump's refusal to condemn the white supremacists is weaseling?
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Nope. Wallace refused to specify a group and to specify what they had done that he wanted Trump to condemn. Trump pleaded with Wallace to specify what exactly he was supposed to be condemning but Wallace was the one who was weaseling. It was a totally bogus exchange that should have been focusing on actual groups committing actual violence to be condemned ... which would put the focus of the question squarely on Biden to explain why he never condemns BLM or ANTIFA ... but Wallace totally let Biden off the hook and instead pressed Trump to recklessly condemn a vague, undefined class of people without citing anything wrong having been done ... it was stupid.

Biden was just let off the hook. If Wallace were a commodity I would be selling short right now.
 
IBDaMann said:
Nope. Wallace refused to specify a group and to specify what they had done that he wanted Trump to condemn. Trump pleaded with Wallace to specify what exactly he was supposed to be condemning but Wallace was the one who was weaseling. It was a totally bogus exchange that should have been focusing on actual groups committing actual violence to be condemned ... which would put the focus of the question squarely on Biden to explain why he never condemns BLM or ANTIFA ... but Wallace totally let Biden off the hook and instead pressed Trump to recklessly condemn a vague, undefined class of people without citing anything wrong having been done ... it was stupid.

Biden was just let off the hook. If Wallace were a commodity I would be selling short right now.
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That's a nice weaseling you got there.

The fact is Trump specified the Proud Boys and told them to stand by.
 
Nordberg said:
Biden was correct. Antifa does not have an army or an organization.
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ANTIFA is a replica of Sendero Luminoso. They are a radical Marxist Anarchist organization whose leaders remain hidden in the shadows.

Only gullible morons believe that if they don't know who the leaders are then there must not be any leaders or any organization.

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AProudLefty said:
That's a nice weaseling you got there. The fact is Trump specified the Proud Boys and told them to stand by.
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He told them to stand down ... and then continued to plead for more information about what he was telling them to stand down regarding. No answer came. It was all just a distraction to let Biden off the hook.
 
BartenderElite said:
That's the thing - Trump was asked to, and didn't.

He told white supremacists to "stand by".
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bullshit - he told the Proud Boys to stand by

If they are white supremacists - how in the hell is Enrique Tarrio so high up in that org?

the shit stains think they can throw the word racists out and it works - it doesn't
 
IBDaMann said:
He told them to stand down ... and then continued to plead for more information about what he was telling them to stand down regarding. No answer came. It was all just a distraction to let Biden off the hook.
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What does "stand back and stand by" mean?
 
AProudLefty said:
That's a nice weaseling you got there.

The fact is Trump specified the Proud Boys and told them to stand by.
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They do standby lol.

They’ve protected Ann Coulter from radical lefties when she speaks at campuses. I forgot about that. Pretty sure they did for the Milo dude too.

The real point here is that Trump suggested someone do something about it. Trump/Barr have already started.

What was Biden’s policy proposal—I missed it.
 
AProudLefty said:
What does "stand back and stand by" mean?
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I'm speaking as one who doesn't even know what or who the "Proud Boys" are so I had no idea why Wallace decided to mention them when BLM and ANTIFA had been destroying cities. It was Wallace's job to ask Biden if he would condemn what BLM and ANTIFA had done but instead he created an elephant in the room by avoiding the matter entirely.

To your question about what Trump meant ... didn't you watch the video? Trump made it clear that he was ready to condemn any illegal action and racism ... and then Wallace begins with the badgering ... and pressing Trump to just condemn without Wallace having to specify any action whatsoever. Wallace was the damn moderator. We all have the right to expect him to speak clearly and to specify exactly what he means when he asks his questions. He isn't supposed to be weaseling and badgering ... and he isn't supposed to be letting Biden of the hook.

I don't know what Trump could have said that would have been a coherent answer to Wallace's weaseling and badgering.
 
IBDaMann said:
I'm speaking as one who doesn't even know what or who the "Proud Boys" are so I had no idea why Wallace decided to mention them when BLM and ANTIFA had been destroying cities. It was Wallace's job to ask Biden if he would condemn what BLM and ANTIFA had done but instead he created an elephant in the room by avoiding the matter entirely.

To your question about what Trump meant ... didn't you watch the video? Trump made it clear that he was ready to condemn any illegal action and racism ... and then Wallace begins with the badgering ... and pressing Trump to just condemn without Wallace having to specify any action whatsoever. Wallace was the damn moderator. We all have the right for him to speak clearly and to specify exactly what he means when he asks his questions. He isn't supposed to be weaseling and badgering ... and he isn't supposed to be letting Biden of the hook.

I don't know what Trump could have said that would have been a coherent answer to Wallace's weaseling and badgering.
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Wallace didn't mention the Proud Boys.

Trump was the one who kept accusing Biden of supporting or not condemning Antifa violence. It's a legit question.
 
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