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rampant immigration causes a labor glut, producing downward pressure on wages.
no hate about it, globalist dimwit china cocksnackers.
no hate about it, globalist dimwit china cocksnackers.
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In 1961, less than 2% of Canadians were part of a "visible minority"(Canadian term for what we would call a racial minority), now it is over 20%. Canada is changing quickly.
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the world is run by a banker cabal of pedophilic human traffickers.
this is how the elite have controlled the world since ancient times.
appealing to peoples most debauched instincts and then blackmailing them.
how's that for hard truths, liar fucko?
Yeah. It's really bizarre. California, New Jersey, and New York have the highest percentage of immigrants. Florida, Nevada, Hawaii, and Massachusetts are next. None of those is a hot-bed of anti-immigrant sentiment (even Florida, with all its culture-war lunacy in other areas, is relatively cool with immigrants thanks to the big Cuban population). Even DeSantis only started with the anti-immigrant patter when he turned his attention away from appealing to Floridians and towards setting the stage for a national run.
Yet you get weird immigrant paranoia in places like West Virginia, which literally has the smallest proportional immigrant population of any state. Or Iowa, Mississippi, Wyoming, and Kentucky, all of which are low-immigration states. I guess people fear the unfamiliar. When you live alongside immigrants, you see them as friendly, hard-working, family-oriented people in your community. When you don't, you see them as the scary caricatures pushed by wingnut media.
One of the amusing things about wingnuts is that they're incapable if getting through an insult of someone else's intelligence without basic mistakes of grammar, spelling, or punctuation.
Do you have support for that? See here:
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/net-migration
From that, it looks like immigration shot up rapidly between 1993 and 1998. So, was that a time when there was downward pressure on wages?
China has had Most Favored Nation (now called Normal Trade Relations) status since 1979.
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Wages are partially determined by supply and demand. The tighter the labor market, the higher the wages. There is a very direct relationship.
People who dislike immigrants for economic reasons think that if there are less immigrants, there will be less people competing for jobs, and therefore wages will be higher.
The alternative argument is that immigrants spend money. They are consumers. The more money being spent, the more demand there is for goods and services. Therefore, the more demand there is for workers, and therefore wages are higher.
Which of these is true varies by society and time period, but also depends on what jobs you’re talking about. Immigrants compete for low-end jobs, and they compete for some high-end jobs as well (in particular various tech jobs, especially in programming, engineering, and science). The latter tend to come in visas, often worker visas which give them limited rights. The former are often undocumented; these are the folks Trump wants to deport.
A lot of older programmers (coders) can’t get hired. If there were fewer work-visa immigrants, perhaps they could. If there were fewer undocumented workers, perhaps there would be higher wages for low-paid manual labor jobs.
I support immigration, but I recognize that making immigration work means having policies which generate domestic work from domestic demand. If an immigrant makes money and spends most of it on Wal-mart goods made in China, it might well be that he or she is producing less local demand for workers than the job or jobs that immigrant has.
There are ways of making it so that immigrants produce more jobs than they consume, but this takes political will, and it hasn’t been a priority for most nations for decades. Heck, it hasn’t even been a consideration, much less a priority, because policy has been run to keep wages from increasing as fast as inflation, let alone as fast as productivity.
In this environment, it is not unreasonable for low-wage workers who are directly competing with undocumented workers to see them as competition. They are competition.
The right way to fix this, as with almost everything, is to make sure it’s a clear win/win, and not questionable which way it goes. Low-wage workers, and tech workers, need to see a tight labor market where there’s plenty of work and wages rising faster than inflation. In such an environment, they won’t care about immigration.
https://www.ianwelsh.net/immigration-and-wages/
So all your failures are because of an international conspiracy, and not your own personal failures? Why are most people more successful than they were in ancient times?
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ok. irrelevant.
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are you saying rampant immigration is not a downward pressure on wages?
Isn't it amazing how only a few alt right posters know all the truth, and the vast majority of Americans are too brainwashed to know that the military has arrested all our leaders and are court marshaling them
It's relevant to the false claim they'd been embargoed before the 1990's.
My own approach would be to boost low-skill immigration, while restricting H1B immigration. Low-skill workers are more likely to take the kinds of bottom-rung jobs that might not even exist without them. For example, consider someone who'd hire someone to come in and clean her house if it were cheap enough, but if it costs what native-born labor demands, she'll just clean it herself (or live in a dirtier house). Yardwork, landscaping, a lot of janitorial work, and some elder services are like that: if the labor isn't there to do it cheaply, a lot of it won't get done at all, or it'll get done less frequently, or automated. Similarly, a lot of low-level manufacturing jobs are things that if they can't be done at near minimum wage, such as by a low-skill immigrant, that doesn't mean they'll be done by some higher-paid worker -- instead, it means they'll be automate, or the whole damned factory will just move to some other country where labor is cheap. Because of that, there's less downside to bringing in low-skill workers. They improve quality of life for those here, while doing less to compete for their jobs. In fact, they can effectively create jobs here (e.g., if you've got that cheap immigrant labor to do low-level manufacturing stateside, that also creates middle-management jobs for others in that field, which otherwise would go abroad, too).
By comparison, when you bring in coders, engineers, etc., you're often going to create downward pressure on wages for skilled native workers. And many of those workers need higher pay than the immigrants can get away with, because Americans are saddled with huge student loan debt when they get those skills, whereas the immigrant worker doing the same thing is more likely to be debt-free or have very low debt.
Your claiming that your failures are because immigrants took your job. Jimmy Carr had a point that if someone can come to your country, not speaking your language, not knowing anyone in your country, and take away your job, you are shit at your job.
Immigrants only appear to have some downward pressure on the poorest, and even there it is mixed.
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Im not talking about my failures.
im talking about economic realities.
immigration is a downward pressure on wages. that's an economic fact.
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see. if you really want an international moral order, you can't have "a place where labor is cheap". that just means corporatists/feudalists have created slavery.
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so you cant admit a labor glut drives down wages. you personalizing market forces is a propaganda tactic.
That is far from a fact. If it were a fact, the USA would be one of the poorest countries on earth. We were built by immigrants.