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Deceitful Trump backs off his backpedal on Obama terror claim
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You stay till the job is done, it was clearly not done in 2011 now was it? Would you have just let ISIS take over Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Egypt, Libya, Kurdistan and Tunisia? Clinton voted for the war so she owns the problem if she's elected.OK, but do we stay for 20 years?? 50??
Perhaps if it was some nice country w/ white sand beaches packed w/ bikini's & beer Americans & Britis wouldn't mind so much.
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Again for the imbeciles at the back, the SAS is actively engaged in Libya and Syria. The RAF are also performing daily bombing sorties in Syria and Iraq.
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Didn't Limey troops pull out, too?
Although it must be said that they are reportedly useless in Afghanistan.
The Brit-shits never got over their humiliating defeat at Gandamack, when a rag-tag Afghan force wiped out the slimy Limeys almost to a man.
Britain's military stewardship of the troubled Helmand province has been scorned by top Afghan officials and the US commander of Nato troops, according to secret US diplomatic cables.
The dispatches expose a devastating contempt for the British failure...
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/dec/02/wikileaks-cables-afghan-british-military
They are failing miserably, as always. Didn't they try to stop Paddy terrorism for decades without success?
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That's simplistic talk.
We were there a decade. How long were the Russians in Afghanistan? Some places are just black holes for "nationbuilding" assignments like that.
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So, I care about American kids dying. You don't.
I guess the conversation ends there. I'm certainly not going to change my view on that.
Perhaps hindsight is 20/20..??
clinton owns a share of it, as does all the rest of both parties that were lied into supporting a couple frat boys out to make a name for themselves...
You know the reasons they left, do I really need to go over them again??
IMHO @ some point one must admit the inevitable, something your country has done many times, as did we in Viet Nam..
Example that Afghani-NAM.. We are no closer to a permanent solution then the day we invaded the country.... Hell it's little different than it was when the Brits got their asses ran out in 1842....
@ some point, regardless of our commitment, parts of Iraq will eventually be controlled by the Persians "again".. Fuck the turks & give the Kurds their own country, let the Sunni's have theirs & the south puppeting the Persians.. A return of the three Ottoman provinces of Basra, Baghdad, and Mosul....
Who are we to say they have to live in an artificial construct of the Brits almost 100 years ago??
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Tom won't acknowledge Britain's culpability for many of the world's conflicts.
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The Sunnis would end up with no oil and they will never accept that. All the oil is in places like Basra or Kurdish Iraq. By the way, Afghanistan was not always a shithole. When I have more time I'll post some stuff by Adam Curtis about the country. I have no problem with Kurds getting their own country but the Turks, Syrians, Iraqis and Iranians do not agree.
If you are going to blame the Brits then surely the French should also be blamed? After all the Sykes-Picot agreement was Anglo-French. I think you also need to go back further to the Ottoman Empire as well.
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If you are going to blame the Brits then surely the French should also be blamed? After all the Sykes-Picot agreement was Anglo-French. I think you also need to go back further to the Ottoman Empire as well.
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Sorry, I only blame the Brits because, well, their Brits...lol
I DON'T CARE WHAT TURKEY OR SYRIA WANTS..
Yes most of the oil isn't in the Sunni heartland, so a sharing agreement would need to be reached first, which would prob be honored for a year or two....
Syria is a mess & in no position to think about, moreless demand anything & Turkey's own little trumpf is having his own lil tantrum & will soon be making impotent threats, as is his style/lack thereof..
US Special Forces also in Libya, Syria and Iraq also
So we rollback ISIS in Sirte, create yet another insurgency -while Libya has become a nation of City States.
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There is reason for hope, stop being such a gloomy Gus! Libya never had a strong army, while Qaddafi had 120,000 soldiers, the artillery was on one side of the country and the ammo on the other because he was scared of an insurrection. They are now gradually building a national army, it is already up to 30,000 men. They have liberated the whole of Benghazi city from ISIS control after two years of fighting. The army is currently under a UN arms sanctions despite the huge task that it has undertaken in fighting terrorists in this part of Libya. Most of Libya's problems stem from the fact that Ghaddafi ran everything, he was such a control freak that he refused to delegate decision making.
https://www.libyaherald.com/2016/08/13/terror-suspects-being-rounded-up-in-benghazi/
https://www.libyaherald.com/2016/08/01/working-to-lift-the-dead-hand-of-qaddafi-rare-signs-of-optimism-in-tripoli/
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Qadaffi kept the country together, and now it's fragmented.
when you say Libyan army..which army do you mean? I take it to be Gen Hiftar's ( Tobruk gov't -House of Representatives).
The GNA ( Unity gov't)really has no power itself except the militias that pledge to it.
That's also the same army that has recaptured Bengazi from the Islamists.
Not to minimize killing ISIS, but ISIS is everybody's enemy. See where the politics go from here
Support for Libyan unity government 'crumbling': U.N. envoy
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-security-un-idUSKCN10N0S9
Support for the U.N.-backed unity government in Libya is "crumbling" amid increased power outages and a weakening currency that is hitting crucial imports, the United Nations' envoy to the embattled north African country told a newspaper.
The Government of National Accord (GNA) has been struggling to impose its authority on a country riven by political and armed rivalries, posing extra challenges as it tries to quash Islamic State jihadist militants.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-security-un-idUSKCN10N0S9
Support for the U.N.-backed unity government in Libya is "crumbling" amid increased power outages and a weakening currency that is hitting crucial imports, the United Nations' envoy to the embattled north African country told a newspaper.
The Government of National Accord (GNA) has been struggling to impose its authority on a country riven by political and armed rivalries, posing extra challenges as it tries to quash Islamic State jihadist militants.