Crisis in the Gulf is the fault of Environmentalists!

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Because we don't hold the individuals who made those choices accountable. Yes.

IMO, it would be far more effective to put people in prison for making those poor choices that they know can harm others. Even if they are doing it as an employee of a corp.

It would be an even better starting point to at least hold companies accountable for the full scale of the damages they inflict. The 75 million dollar oil spill liability cap makes offshore drilling possible by giving oil companies all the profits of offshore drilling with barely any real liability.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

It's the best way if you mean it. For false outrage? Not so much!

The best way would actually be to advocate that the government take a proactive role in regulating the economy to reduce the amount of oil used. It is completely and totally out of the question for anyone who doesn't live in a metropolis to abstain from oil, and without a hundred million people doing it with you it makes piss difference anyway.

You want to turn things the other way around, saying that you can't want to lower the amount of national oil consumption if you don't completely abstain from oil. And I say you're a fucking retard who either knows nothing about practical strategy or you're just trying to poison the well.

 

[Topspin]

Mr spite junior, you and all you false outrage buddies are free to use less. But I'm free to call you out as a hypocrite as you come to me for your fill up.

 

[Onceler]

Mr spite junior, you and all you false outrage buddies are free to use less. But I'm free to call you out as a hypocrite as you come to me for your fill up.

You miss the point. Systemic change is what is needed.

Individual sacrifice is usually just symbolic, ego-driven BS. I conserve & do what I can, but I don't kid myself that it makes an iota of difference.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

I realize this is going to raise some eyebrows and generate a flurry of pinhead response, but it's something that needs to be said, so here goes...

The blown oil well in the Gulf of Mexico continues to spew 40k barrels of oil per day into the Gulf, with no indication of when they may get it stopped. The problem is, the leak is a mile down under the ocean, where it's impossible to reach through conventional methods.

Now, this is a disaster that is unprecedented in terms of environmental and economic damage, and it will take decades for the Gulf Coast to recover. Priceless wetlands are sure to be lost, birds and marine life will die and suffer for years because of this. And the Liberal mush-brains will writhe and moan about the need for more regulations and restrictions on the oil industry... we can count on that!

But it's important to remember the reason this catastrophe is so impossible to deal with. The rig was located some 50 miles offshore, in water a mile deep. Why do we have oil rigs 50 miles out into the ocean? Well, because, when people go visit the lovely beaches of Mississippi and Louisiana, they certainly don't want to see those eyesore rigs on the horizon! Environmentalists insisted that if we drill in the Gulf, it has to be far enough out that no one can visually see them from the coast. It is because we allowed this regulated restriction, that we have an impossible problem on our hands now.

If the rig explosion happened on dry land, it could have been capped almost immediately, with very minimal ecological damage. If the rig had been located on the northern slope of Alaska, it could have been capped by the end of the day, and again, with very little (if any) ecological damage. Even in the worst case scenario, in Alaska, the damage would have been to a few seals and otters, not the entire economic livelihood of thousands of fishermen and shrimpers, and not to our pristine wetlands in the bayou. We also look to the fact that other forms of energy production have been hindered by these same environmentalists. We haven't built a nuclear power plant in 30 years.

So when we are all running around pointing the fingers of blame at BP, Big Oil, or even the Federal Government for failing to have a plan to deal with this, we must remember that at least a portion of the blame goes to the environmentalists, who refuse to allow much safer drilling elsewhere. If not for their activism, we probably wouldn't ever have an oil rig 50 miles out at sea in the Gulf of Mexico in the first place.

Dixie, you never cease to amaze me with your ability to miss the obvious and extort what illogic you have to defend your beliefs.

Dixie, do you want to know why BP drilled for oil 50 miles off the Gulf Coast?

Here's the explanation why Dixie.

Why do Elephant Hunters hunt in Africa?

Because that's where the Elephants are.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Actually, I would like a nuclear-powered hummer with mounted AK-47s to deal with pinhead drivers....then we can ban any OIL that isn't edible. But this is not about what Dixie would like.... it's about reality... something you are apparently unaware of, Waterhead.

and Watermark if anyone knows anything about being unaware of reality it's Dixie!

 

[Mott the Hoople]

I don't mind kicking the shit out of assholes protesting oil who also drive. Fuck them and fuck you.

So what you're suggesting is that we can trust BP to do for ecologically sensitive areas, like the California and Alaskan reserves, what they've done for the Gulf Coast? Nice Topper, Nice!

Well lets look at the bright side Topper. If the Gulf Coast wasn't an ecologically sensitive region, it is now! And we have BP to thank for that.

Damn those turbolibs to hell!

Thank God there's responsible companies, like BP, we can count on to do things the right way. [/sarcasm]

 

[Thorn]

So what you're suggesting is that we can trust BP to do for ecologically sensitive areas, like the California and Alaskan reserves, what they've done for the Gulf Coast? Nice Topper, Nice!

Well lets look at the bright side Topper. If the Gulf Coast wasn't an ecologically sensitive region, it is now! And we have BP to thank for that.

Damn those turbolibs to hell!

Thank God there's responsible companies, like BP, we can count on to do things the right way. [/sarcasm]

What I don't understand at all is why, given the risks of this undertaking (the drilling), BP and others didn't have a corrective procedure already worked out and in place in anticipation of such a disaster. It seems reasonable to me that potential catastrophic situations should be forseen and prepared for, especially given the disastrous consequences.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Then why can't they plug this sucker up?

Riddle me that, psycho.

Because it is ONE MILE BELOW THE SURFACE! Maybe it doesn't quite dawn on you yet, but we can't just swim down there to it and plug it up! It is ONE MILE below the surface, too far for conventional divers or repair crews. WHY is it so deep? Because it is 50 miles out at sea! Why is it 50 miles out at sea? Because it can't be closer, the Environmentalists would not allow that!

 

[Mott the Hoople]

What I don't understand at all is why, given the risks of this undertaking (the drilling), BP and others didn't have a corrective procedure already worked out and in place in anticipation of such a disaster. It seems reasonable to me that potential catastrophic situations should be forseen and prepared for, especially given the disastrous consequences.

They did. They are required, by law, to have an SPCC Plan (Spill Prevention Control and Counter Measure Plan) in place and approved by a registered professional engineer and the USCG. What they did not do was anticipate the scope or nature of the disaster and have the necessary assets in place to implement and execute their SPCC Plan affectively. I addition, several back up precuations that were essential to their SPCC plan, like an automatic shut off valve, failed to work correctly.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Dixie, you never cease to amaze me with your ability to miss the obvious and extort what illogic you have to defend your beliefs.

Dixie, do you want to know why BP drilled for oil 50 miles off the Gulf Coast?

Here's the explanation why Dixie.

Why do Elephant Hunters hunt in Africa?

Because that's where the Elephants are.

Not so... there is just as much oil right off the coast of Louisiana and Mississippi. They could drill anywhere in that region and pretty much hit oil, it's all down there. The Environmentalists will not allow offshore drilling anywhere near a coast line... thus we have these rigs 50 miles out at sea, so no one can "see" them from the shore.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

You miss the point. Systemic change is what is needed.

Individual sacrifice is usually just symbolic, ego-driven BS. I conserve & do what I can, but I don't kid myself that it makes an iota of difference.

We already HAD systematic change! Back in the 70's under President Carter, we implemented all kinds of systematic changes! We went extremely overboard in systematic changes to the regulation and monitoring of oil drilling offshore or anywhere, and we have not relented with those regulations. As time has gone by, we've added bureaucratic layers on top of each other at both the State and Federal level, all through the Clinton years, all through the Bush years, we continued to implement systematic change.

Did it do us any good?

 

[Cypress]

Why do we have oil rigs 50 miles out into the ocean? .

Because that's where the only remaining large oil fields are in the gulf of mexcio, dummy.


The inner continental shelf on the gulf has been drilled like swiss cheese for 50 years. All the major oil fields have been found there. The only elephant fields left are in the deep water. I know this. The oil companies know this. Apparently, a buffoon like you doesn't know this.

I realize you heard this bullshit on some rightwing blog, but trust me you've been easily duped. Again. I am intimately familiar with oil exploration in the gulf of mexico, so if I were you I would just stop believing whatever you read on the Sarah Palin twitter.

Thanks for the comedy.


p.s. Dr. Dixie: they are still routinely drilling production and outpost wells on the inner continental shelf of the gulf. What made you think they're not?? The Glenn Beck facebook page? Nearly every day of the week someone is drilling wells in on the gulf shelf near land. Some of my well were drilled within view of land. How do I know? Because when I choppered out to the rig I could still see louisiana.

 

[NOVA]

Lovely....Dixie pwns the pinheads with simple logic....
Oil companies are FORCED to drill in deep water and thus create a dangerous situation that could easily have been avoided.....
The pinheads attack the messenger and won't comment on the validity of the post...

so whats new...

 

[Cypress]

Lovely....Dixie pwns the pinheads with simple logic....

Oil companies are FORCED to drill in deep water and thus create a dangerous situation that could easily have been avoided.....
.

Wow, another total dummy.

They drill the deep water, because that's where the only remaining large oil fields are in the gulf.

Simply put, that's where the money is to be made. It's not because some tree huggers forced them to move into the deep water. They did it because of $$$$


As for the near shore, gulf of mexico: it's been drilled as often as a 50 year old french prostitute. All the large fields have been found there. But, a quick trip to the MMS website would show you that they are still drilling hundreds of production and development wells every year in shallow water.

It appears, as with Iraq and with Climate Gate, you've been easily duped again.

I will admit, its a barrel of laughs to read such unfettered ignorance. Where did you get this talking point? Matt Drudge?

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

They drill the deep water, because that's where the only remaining large oil fields are in the gulf.

No, this is a lie. There are (by your own admission) oil fields in much shallower water, as well as on dry land, all over the region. The reason they now drill out that far is the ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS which prohibit (moratorium declared) drilling within a certain distance of the coast. We can go to www.gov.org and look up the specific environmental regulations, if it would make you feel better, but that has been the case for about the past 15 years or so.

 

[Cypress]

No, this is a lie. There are (by your own admission) oil fields in much shallower water, as well as on dry land, all over the region. The reason they now drill out that far is the ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS which prohibit (moratorium declared) drilling within a certain distance of the coast. We can go to www.gov.org and look up the specific environmental regulations, if it would make you feel better, but that has been the case for about the past 15 years or so.

You either a bald faced liar, or completely ignorant. I'm guessing both.

The tree huggers didn't force the oil companies to drill in deep water. They drill in deep water gulf because the geology is conducive to large, sometimes massive oil fields. There's a shit load of money to be made. And pretty much all the elephant oil fields in the shallow water gulf have been found.

It's a simple as that.

How may oil wells have you drilled professor? Zero?

I've had many prospects drilled within site of the louisiana shore. Wells are routinely drilled in the shallow water gulf. Anyone who actually know the oil industry would consider you a complete dupe.

 

[NOVA]

gulf of mexico: it's been drilled as often as a 50 year old french prostitute.


That's a lot of drillin' dude....

 

[Bonestorm]

No, this is a lie. There are (by your own admission) oil fields in much shallower water, as well as on dry land, all over the region. The reason they now drill out that far is the ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS which prohibit (moratorium declared) drilling within a certain distance of the coast. We can go to www.gov.org and look up the specific environmental regulations, if it would make you feel better, but that has been the case for about the past 15 years or so.

You should probably follow your own advice and do some research on some the stuff you're talking about. You really haven't the foggiest idea.

 

[Cypress]

before you run away Dixie, I have a few questions for you.

Have you ever been employed as a oil finder for a petroleum company? No?

Have you ever spent one nanosecond of your life in oil exploration? No?

Have you ever had a prospect drilled? No?

Then let me explain how you were duped. You obviously read some rightwing blog, written by some dude who doesn't have a fucking clue about the oil industry.

In all my years working for a major multinational oil company, I never, not once, heard anyone say that tree huggers were forcing us out into the deep water. And I was privy to what the big wigs and management were saying and thinking.


We went into the deep water because our seismic data and wildcat drilling showed us that the geology on the continental slope and outer shelf was conducive to huge and potentially massive oil fields. We were salivating with dollar signs in our eyes. I never even heard a single rumour that tree huggers were forcing us out into the deep water.

And we continued to drill our old, crappy fields in the shallow water. Because we could still nickel and dime them into making some money. And not once did I hear the tree huggers were stopping us from drilling our crappy shallow water fields.


I know you won't take this advice....but, I pretty much wouldn't believe anything you read on that rightwing blog you got this from.