Court issues injunction preventing Hegseth from demoting Senator Kelly

T. A. Gardner said:
Technically, officers are. Enlisted aren't past 65, but officers are subject to recall to active duty as they remain commissioned. Commissioned and enlisted can serve in Congress as Senator John Tower proves.
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The 1A applies to everyone. Kelly is also protected by lawmakers Speech and Debate rules.

Like all cult members, speech that defies your programming terrifies you.

You literally have no principles.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
On Wednesday a Federal court issued an injunction preventing Pete Hegseth from sanctioning Senator Kelly when it comes to his first amendment rights.


United States Senator Mark Kelly, a retired naval officer, has been censured by
Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth for voicing certain opinions on military actions and
policy. In addition, he has been subjected to proceedings to possibly reduce his retirement
rank and pay and threatened with criminal prosecution if he continues to speak out on these
issues. Secretary Hegseth relies on the well-established doctrine that military
service members enjoy less vigorous First Amendment protections given the fundamental
obligation for obedience and discipline in the armed forces. Unfortunately for Secretary
Hegseth, no court has ever extended those principles to retired service members, much less
a retired servicemember serving in Congress and exercising oversight responsibility over
the military. This Court will not be the first to do so!
This Court has all it needs
to conclude that Defendants have trampled on Senator Kelly's First Amendment freedoms
and threatened the constitutional liberties of millions of military retirees. After all, as Bob
Dylan famously said, "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows."1
To say the least, our retired veterans deserve more respect from their Government, and our
Constitution demands they receive it!

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CONCLUSION
Rather than trying to shrink the First Amendment liberties of retired
servicemembers, Secretary Hegseth and his fellow Defendants might reflect and be grateful
for the wisdom and expertise that retired servicemembers have brought to public
discussions and debate on military matters in our Nation over the past 250 years. If so,
they will more fully appreciate why the Founding Fathers made free speech the first
Amendment in the Bill of Rights! Hopefully this injunction will in some small way help
bring about a course correction in the Defense Department's approach to these issues.
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Aw, that retarded donkey is not going to fly. 😐
 
LurchAddams said:
The 1A applies to everyone. Kelly is also protected by lawmakers Speech and Debate rules.

Like all cult members, speech that defies your programming terrifies you.

You literally have no principles.
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No, it doesn't. Military personnel, in their capacity as military personnel--and in that video Kelly states he is a military officer--you cannot just say whatever you want. For example, you can't go to a protest, any protest, in uniform because it could be construed you are representing the military.
Kelly as a Senator can say what he did. Kelly as a civilian can say what he did. Kelly as a retired, commissioned, officer and using that position as part of his statement cannot say whatever he wants.

You have no clue.

This changes if you are retired enlisted over 65 and no longer subject to recall or military service, involuntarily retired as a commissioned officer (at the convenience of the government) and no longer subject to recall, or discharged enlisted who have completed their contract with the military. In those cases, you are no longer subject to anything to do with the military.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
No, it doesn't. Military personnel, in their capacity as military personnel--and in that video Kelly states he is a military officer--you cannot just say whatever you want. For example, you can't go to a protest, any protest, in uniform because it could be construed you are representing the military.
Kelly as a Senator can say what he did. Kelly as a civilian can say what he did. Kelly as a retired, commissioned, officer and using that position as part of his statement cannot say whatever he wants.

You have no clue.

This changes if you are retired enlisted over 65 and no longer subject to recall or military service, involuntarily retired as a commissioned officer (at the convenience of the government) and no longer subject to recall, or discharged enlisted who have completed their contract with the military. In those cases, you are no longer subject to anything to do with the military.
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You're an idiot to think anyone will buy your bullshit.

You have no principles. All you are: anti-Democrat and you'll make up any old shit you have to to rationalize your allegiance to tyranny.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
No, it doesn't. Military personnel, in their capacity as military personnel--and in that video Kelly states he is a military officer--you cannot just say whatever you want. For example, you can't go to a protest, any protest, in uniform because it could be construed you are representing the military.
Kelly as a Senator can say what he did. Kelly as a civilian can say what he did. Kelly as a retired, commissioned, officer and using that position as part of his statement cannot say whatever he wants.

You have no clue.

This changes if you are retired enlisted over 65 and no longer subject to recall or military service, involuntarily retired as a commissioned officer (at the convenience of the government) and no longer subject to recall, or discharged enlisted who have completed their contract with the military. In those cases, you are no longer subject to anything to do with the military.
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You keep saying he cannot say what he wants. What does that mean? What does he want to say, and why should he be stopped? The truth is, military people cannot follow ILLEGAL orders. Can you understand that? His saying that, is correct. That is why the case will be tossed at every level.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
So, now judges run the military too, hum?
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I think the court in question here is just asking for sanity in government. With the Trump administration in charge of government at this time, asking for sanity is a heavy ask. Only the morons of the MAGA movement think sanity has any business intruding on what they are trying to do.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
United States Senator Mark Kelly, a retired naval officer, has been censured by
Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth for voicing certain opinions on military actions
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Nope. He was censured for inciting rebellion and disobedience. The censure was blocked via Federal judge shopping, but now that the Supreme Court has curtailed the judicial branch's ability to do this, Hegseth can reopen the censure and drop Mark Kelley in rank.
 
IBDaMann said:
Nope. He was censured for inciting rebellion and disobedience. The censure was blocked via Federal judge shopping, but now that the Supreme Court has curtailed the judicial branch's ability to do this, Hegseth can reopen the censure and drop Mark Kelley in rank.
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ROFLMAO.
Judge shopping? Did Congress get recently moved from the District of Columbia? Is the Executive branch no longer located in the District of Columbia?

The case was filed in the District of Columbia and randomly assigned to a judge as normally occurs. To call it judge shopping reveals your stupidity. As of today, there has been no appeal of this ruling so the Supreme Court hasn't ruled on anything. They certainly haven't ruled that filing a case in the district where the actions occured is "judge shopping."
 
IBDaMann said:
You only think this because it's a leftist judge looking to shred the Constitution and to totally fuqq with the Executive Branch.
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Interesting. So upholding the first amendment is now shredding the Constitution? Thanks for telling us that war is peace and ignorance is strength.
You have to be the "strongest" person ever to post here.
 
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