Could Syria ignite World War 3? That's the terrifying question

Aoxomoxoa said:
Yes but that's not the point though. It was fought and the US pulled out and left the South at the mercy of the North. My son's girlfriend is Vietnamese from an old banking family in Saigon and they suffered really badly after the war for being both middle class and ethnic Chinese. The lesson that people worldwide have learnt is that you cannot trust an American's word.
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The lessons learned from the American empire are the same lessons learned from the British empire and the Roman empire. They don't last.

England is far from what it once was .. and have you been to Rome lately? 'Empire' it ain't .. not a whiff of it left to be found.

If your son's girlfriend and her family thought that America was going to rush in and solve their problems, no disrespect intended towards them, but they should have known better. America had suffered its limits in that war. There was nothing left to give. NOTHING.

I have always applauded Britain's refusal to be openly involved in the Vietnam War, I applauded the British people for their stance against it. I also applaud the American people for our firm stance against continuing its madness .. I was one of them.

You can't trust an American's word? It depends on which American you're talking to .. which is the exact same truth depending on which Brit you're talking to .. case in point .. Tony Blair. I think most of the word fondly remembers him as the puppy dog that Bush walked around with.

The lesson is the same lesson told by the American civil war. Foreign nations should not intervene in civil wars.
 
blackascoal said:
The lessons learned from the American empire are the same lessons learned from the British empire and the Roman empire. They don't last.

England is far from what it once was .. and have you been to Rome lately? 'Empire' it ain't .. not a whiff of it left to be found.

If your son's girlfriend and her family thought that America was going to rush in and solve their problems, no disrespect intended towards them, but they should have known better. America had suffered its limits in that war. There was nothing left to give. NOTHING.

I have always applauded Britain's refusal to be openly involved in the Vietnam War, I applauded the British people for their stance against it. I also applaud the American people for our firm stance against continuing its madness .. I was one of them.

You can't trust an American's word? It depends on which American you're talking to .. which is the exact same truth depending on which Brit you're talking to .. case in point .. Tony Blair. I think most of the word fondly remembers him as the puppy dog that Bush walked around with.

The lesson is the same lesson told by the American civil war. Foreign nations should not intervene in civil wars.
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I am not going to argue with you about Tony Blair, I can't abide the toerag.

So you should never intervene in civil wars, I guess you were against the Vietnamese intervening in Cambodia to kick out Pol Pot and the Kmer Rouge when the UN and the West were still supporting the murderous bastards. I also guess that Australia should have just left the East Timorese to their fate at the hands of the genocidal Indonesians. How about Rwanda, Somalia or Sierra Leone?
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
I am not going to argue with you about Tony Blair, I can't abide the toerag.

So you should never intervene in civil wars, I guess you were against the Vietnamese intervening in Cambodia to kick out Pol Pot and the Kmer Rouge when the UN and the West were still supporting the murderous bastards. I also guess that Australia should have just left the East Timorese to their fate at the hands of the genocidal Indonesians. How about Rwanda, Somalia or Sierra Leone?
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Yes, yes, yes, yes and yes. Stay out of it.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
I am not going to argue with you about Tony Blair, I can't abide the toerag.

So you should never intervene in civil wars, I guess you were against the Vietnamese intervening in Cambodia to kick out Pol Pot and the Kmer Rouge when the UN and the West were still supporting the murderous bastards. I also guess that Australia should have just left the East Timorese to their fate at the hands of the genocidal Indonesians. How about Rwanda, Somalia or Sierra Leone?
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I absolutely agree with Kane. If intervention is required, that should come from UN peacekeeping forces .. but even that should be kept to an absolute minimum.

If international awareness and action are required, then as in the case of South Africa, demands can be made without militarily destroying the country, its resources, or its people.
 
blackascoal said:
I absolutely agree with Kane. If intervention is required, that should come from UN peacekeeping forces .. but even that should be kept to an absolute minimum.

If international awareness and action are required, then as in the case of South Africa, demands can be made without militarily destroying the country, its resources, or its people.
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Well needless to say, I don't agree with you or him. The UN is for the most part useless in those situations. There is a graphic example of that right now, where the UN have pulled out from the Golan Heights. If you need any more examples then Bosnia comes to mind.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
Well needless to say, I don't agree with you or him. The UN is for the most part useless in those situations. There is a graphic example of that right now, where the UN have pulled out from the Golan Heights. If you need any more examples then Bosnia comes to mind.
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The world needs a strong UN to buttress the insanity of the powerful .. including that of the west and Israel.

A strong UN should be a global objective as it would be in the best interests of all nations.

The west and Israel don't get to decide what the rest of the world should do.
 
blackascoal;1240439trong UN should be a global objective as it would be in the best interests of all nations. said:
The west and Israel don't get to decide what the rest of the world should do.
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Strong UN pretty much would keep the west as de facto rulers of the world.

Now if you wanted to go back to relative spheres of influence and national leagues, that might work better.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
  • Syrian conflict could engulf region in struggle between Sunni and Shia
  • Already claimed 93,000 lives and made 1.6million people refugees
  • UK, France and U.S. taken different side to China and Russia

The crisis in Syria may appear to be no more or less than a civil war in a country many people would struggle to place on a map. But it’s much more than that: it is rapidly becoming a sectarian struggle for power that is bleeding across the Middle East, with the potential to engulf the entire region in a deadly power struggle between two bitterly opposed Muslim ideologies, Sunni and Shia. Already, the war inside Syria has resulted in 93,000 dead and 1.6 million refugees, with millions more displaced internally and those figures are escalating rapidly amid reports of appalling atrocities on both sides.

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Equal if not greater horrors are occurring on the African continent....but their is either no oil or the Chinese have made serious financial deals and in-roads there.

When all is said and done, it's all about the Benjamins (that's money for those unfamiliar with American slang).
 
blackascoal said:
The world needs a strong UN to buttress the insanity of the powerful .. including that of the west and Israel.

A strong UN should be a global objective as it would be in the best interests of all nations.

The west and Israel don't get to decide what the rest of the world should do.
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Amen to that....but when was the last time the UN actually EFFECTIVELY put troops on the ground to protect the innocent?
 
Only because the USSR chose not to show up. Face it, the Security Council is going to block action anytime a member sees the move as hostile to its self interest. Try getting the UN to put troops into Syria, and see how quickly China and Russia veto the motion.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
He is not in it, he was forced to step down.
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Hassan Rowhani was educated in Scotland and is a former nuclear negotiator. He is a moderate Muslim and rejects extremism in the name of Islam. He's being backed by Iranian reformists, those who are critical of the current Islamic system and want a change. Rowhani has called for greater freedoms which have attracted young voters.
 
Threedee said:
Only because the USSR chose not to show up. Face it, the Security Council is going to block action anytime a member sees the move as hostile to its self interest. Try getting the UN to put troops into Syria, and see how quickly China and Russia veto the motion.
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BAC likes to say that the West shouldn't interfere in civil wars. The only exceptions being if they are UN sanctioned, yet his favourite dictator Ghaddafi was ousted by a UN sanctioned operation. Of course the fact that Ghaddafi had pissed off virtually everybody and had few friends had a lot to do with it.

The UN and the West supported Pol Pot and the Kmer Rouge, it finally took the Vietnamese to kick the bastard out. I was in the Tuol Sleng Genocide Museum in 2011 and it really drives home how crazy those bastards really were. The UN sat on its hands and left the Rwandans Tutsi to their fate and totally ignored the plight of the East Timorese. The Somalis were ignored by the West and it took the Kenyans to kick those murderous fuckers al Shabaab out. Do I need to remind anyone what happened when the UN abandoned the Muslims in Srebrenica and Banja Luka to their fate?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuol_Sleng_Genocide_Museum
 
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That would be nice if Mr. Rowhani is successful toward those ends.

The nice thing about Africa is that the various nations there seem to be getting better and faster at reacting to incidents on the continent. I believe there was a successful mission led by Ethiopia into Somalia not long ago.
 
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