Could A Good God Permit So Much Suffering?

domer76 said:
Ah, he said “could” rather than your “100% absolutely”.

Still waiting.
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Cypress said:
So you and Hawking are agnostics.
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Your wavering on your level of certainty


If you're not certain the origin of design, order, and lawful organization of the universe is for a purely inanimate physical reason, please explain what reason beyond naturalistic physical reasons were the origin of it all.
 
Cypress said:
I undoubtedly know more about atheism than you.
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Demonstrably not. You deny the existence of implicit atheism.

Cypress said:
Because I not only extensively watch the podcasts and debates of prominent modern atheists like Richard Dawkins, Alex O'Connor, Matt Delahunty, Bart Ehrman, Sam Harris, Daniel Dennet, but I have also studied the seminal atheist authors of the 19th and 20th centuries: Jean Paul Satre, Karl Marx, Albert Camus, Frederich Nietzsche.
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All you do is watch videos. Try reading some books.
 
gmark77 said:
Hey, @domer76 I think you won this one. You've now entered the "Cypress Whines about His Brilliance" phase of every thread. It's how Cy lets people know he's got nothing.
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I haven't cussed at anyone, I haven't used any insults, malice, or taunts.

I'm also not going to pretend I haven't read widely on these topics just to spare your fragile ego.

When you read, study, and investigate the prominent modern atheist influencers and the seminal atheist authors of history as much as I have (and not just frantically Google them when you see me mention them), then you can legitimately claim that I am ignorant and uniformed about atheism.
 
Cypress said:
I haven't cussed at anyone, I haven't used any insults, malice, or taunts.

I'm also not going to pretend I haven't read widely on these topics just to spare your fragile ego.

When you read, study, and investigate the prominent modern atheist influencers and the seminal atheist authors of history as much as I have (and not just frantically Google them when you see me mention them), then you can legitimately claim that I am ignorant and uniformed about atheism.
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QED.

Can't thank you enough for making my point for me. I couldn't have summed it up better.
 
Cypress said:
^^ When Perry doesn't like the way I have been dissecting and dismantling the atheist belief system, he wants to make the thread about me instead :laugh:
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Hey Cliffe, give it a rest.

WHy don't you try starting a new topic? That will give you a fresh start until I or @domer76 dismantle it for you and send you screaming to your big daddy Douche to start stalking me.
 
Hume said:
As J. L. Mackie (1955, 200) formulated the so-called logical problem of evil:

God is omnipotent; God is wholly good; and yet evil exists. There seems to be some contradiction between these three propositions, so that if any two of them were true the third would be false. But at the same time all three are essential parts of most theological positions: the theologian, it seems, at once must and cannot consistently adhere to all three.

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Could A Good God Permit So Much Suffering? A Debate

As J. L. Mackie (1955, 200) formulated the so-called logical problem of evil: God is omnipotent; God is wholly good; and yet evil exists. There seems to...
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This world isn't Heaven!
 
gmark77 said:
He just sounds too much like the evangelist Cliffe Knechtle. A pretty aggressive Christian apologist. Seems he gravitates to some of the same kind of arguments our buddy Cy likes. But I have to keep reminding myself that Cy is an "agnostic".
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I was thinking more of Cliff Clavin, but that will do.

I still have to watch his debate on youtube. I have yet to see an apologist worth a shit.
 
Hume said:
There is no atheist belief system. You just made that up.
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Atheists believe in physical naturalism - that matter and energy governed by natural laws is all that exists, and it is completely explanatory of life, the universe, and everything.

Any attempt to include some kind of New Age spiritualism or panpsychism into the atheist worldview is an attempt to incorporate beliefs that extend beyond physical matter. That is starting to diverge into pantheism, dieism, or panentheism.

If you believe all you need to explain life, the universe, and everything are quarks, bosons, and leptons have the courage to say it. Don't hide and obfuscate.
 
Cypress said:
Atheists believe in physical naturalism - that matter and energy governed by natural laws is all that exists, and it is completely explanatory of life, the universe, and everything.

Any attempt to include some kind of New Age spiritualism or panpsychism into the atheist worldview is an attempt to incorporate beliefs that extend beyond physical matter. That is starting to diverge into pantheism, dieism, or panentheism.

If you believe all you need to explain life, the universe, and everything are quarks, bosons, and leptons have the courage to say it.
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You confuse science ideology, physicalism, with atheism.
 
Cypress said:
Atheists believe in physical naturalism - that matter and energy governed by natural laws is all that exists, and it is completely explanatory of life, the universe, and everything.

Any attempt to include some kind of New Age spiritualism or panpsychism into the atheist worldview is an attempt to incorporate beliefs that extend beyond physical matter. That is starting to diverge into pantheism, dieism, or panentheism.

If you believe all you need to explain life, the universe, and everything are quarks, bosons, and leptons have the courage to say it. Don't hide and obfuscate.
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Atheism is older than Christianity. Something you struggle to comprehend.
 
Hume said:
You confuse science ideology, physicalism, with atheism.
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So your claim is that atheists believe there is something beyond physical matter and energy. :laugh:

You're starting to drift off into some conjecture about panpsychism, universal sprirts, transcendental planes of reality, lol.

This is what I mean when I say if you hold atheists toes to the fire of strict physical materialism, they can't live out their atheism to its logical conclusion.
 
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