Cops have no constitutional duty to protect you

LV426 said:
Why did he set up a firing position in the first place?

This is the most important question that was never answered.
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To kill people. He was fucking nuts and knew he was going to die so he probably thought "Why not?"
LV426 said:
Who says he wanted to commit suicide? The report says quite clearly he had no suicidal tendencies.

So from where did you get the conclusion that he wanted to commit suicide? The cops? What the fuck do they know?

Fact is, you don't know his motive any more than I do, which isn't any more than the cops do...so it's not a complete investigation because we still don't know why he did it.
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Are you saying he planned to leave that hotel room alive? Results count.

No one knows his motive. What motive could it have been if he was sane? If he was insane, he doesn't need a motive.

Pages 126-127 are good: https://www.lvmpd.com/en-us/Documents/1-October-FIT-Criminal-Investigative-Report-FINAL_080318.pdf
LVMPD Criminal Investigative Report of the 1 October Mass Casualty Shooting
August 3, 2018
The cause of Paddock’s death was an intraoral gunshot wound, and the manner of death was
ruled a suicide.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
If you won and I didn't complete the bet, everyone would know.
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I think you've made it pretty clear to everyone here that you don't really give a shit what other people might or might not know about you.

These people already don't like you, and not welching on a bet isn't going to change that.


I prefer bets that can be publicly confirmed such as a 12B bet or donation to JPP in the winner's name. That way identity info is protected while still allowing the bet to take place and payments confirmed.
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Yeah, I'm not making any bet with you so you should just drop it.


Paddock was suicidal.
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Not according to the report you linked to.

In fact, the investigators make a note of saying that he wasn't suicidal, had no suicidal tendencies, and never even told anyone he wanted to kill himself.

All they say is this: "No suicide note or manifesto was found."

And they say he died of suicide, but I don't know if I believe the cops there when they say that.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
I do, apparently you do not. the 2005 case decision is based on a 1989 decision..........THAT is called precedent.
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No, it wasn't based on a 1989 decision...what SCOTUS said was that there were parallels between the cases, but the 1989 decision had to do with a social services agency (DSS) not protecting a child in the child welfare system: https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/04-278

That's completely different from law enforcement not protecting someone who has a restraining order.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
you're the confused one, or you simply KNOW you're a fucking idiot and have to toss all kinds of bullshit in the air......
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You said on the one hand that cops enforce the law, but yet they didn't enforce the law in Uvalde.

So since they didn't enforce the law in Uvalde, what makes you think they are enforcing it anywhere else?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
You are trying to rationalize the irrational.
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Yes, cops are very irrational because they expect us to just believe every single fucking thing they've said.

You can't say you concluded an investigation into a mass shooting without determining the motive of the shooter.

You just can't, and that's why it's unacceptable.

So the Uvalde report is going to look a lot like this one, which is heavy on the graphic details, leans on making the cops look better, but short when it comes to all the important things we need to know about what happened including the motive behind not just the shooter, but the cops standing aside letting it happen.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Do you agree that anyone who is suicidal without good reason* is mentally ill?
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No, I don't believe that.

Your report gives no indication that Paddock was mentally ill, depressed, suicidal, bipolar, or anything...in fact, in the report you gave me, they all seem to conclude that he was just a normal guy.

To me, that says the investigators stumbled onto something about Paddock that they didn't want the public to know...probably something to do with connections and ties to law enforcement.
 
LV426 said:
I think you've made it pretty clear to everyone here that you don't really give a shit what other people might or might not know about you.

These people already don't like you, and not welching on a bet isn't going to change that.




Yeah, I'm not making any bet with you so you should just drop it.




Not according to the report you linked to.

In fact, the investigators make a note of saying that he wasn't suicidal, had no suicidal tendencies, and never even told anyone he wanted to kill himself.

All they say is this: "No suicide note or manifesto was found."

And they say he died of suicide, but I don't know if I believe the cops there when they say that.
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I'd win the bet and you know it, LV. LOL

Sane, intelligent and educated people know that "an absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence". The evidence of suicide is the gun in his mouth.

Why would the cops hide that? I'm sure they were more than willing to fill Paddock full of holes had Paddock not shot himself first.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Paddock intended to commit suicide that night.
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How do you know that? You don't.

In fact, most mass shooters don't commit suicide and aren't suicidal.

There was nothing -NOTHING- in the report you shared with me that indicated any kind of mental illness...I mean OTHER THAN the obsession with guns he had.


If not by his own hand then suicide-by-cop. That's how both Salvador Ramos and Payton Gendron planned. Gendron is the rare instance where he changed his mind twice about pulling the trigger on himself.
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The following mass shooters did not commit suicide:

Parkland
Orlando
Buffalo
Atlanta
Pittsburgh

Most mass shooters are taken alive, or not arrested at all.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
If we agree that all of these suicidal/mass murderers are mentally ill, then shouldn't we look at upgrading mental health care as a solution?
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First of all, blaming mental illness for mass shootings is bullshit.

In the case of Paddock, he had no mental illness diagnosis or anything like that.

It's not mental illness that is causing mass shootings, it's the fucking guns and police complicity.
 
LV426 said:
All they care about are protecting themselves.

That's why none of them confronted the Uvalde shooter.

It sure seemed like they were doing more to help the shooter than stop him.

Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone
https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/...ot-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html
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Don't forget the cowardly Parkland cop, who failed to confront the school shooter?!! He was thinking about that $100,000 a year pension?!! He has been charged for this act of cowardice too?!!

Parkland: former police deputy arrested over failure to confront school shooter

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...orida-school-shooting-failure-confront-gunman
 
LV426 said:
How do you know that? You don't.

In fact, most mass shooters don't commit suicide and aren't suicidal.

There was nothing -NOTHING- in the report you shared with me that indicated any kind of mental illness...I mean OTHER THAN the obsession with guns he had.




The following mass shooters did not commit suicide:

Parkland
Orlando
Buffalo
Atlanta
Pittsburgh

Most mass shooters are taken alive, or not arrested at all.
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Most "mass shooters" are gang-bangers. We're discussing the school/theater/concert mass shooters. You throw out cities, but no names or dates. What are you hiding? LOL

Why are you so bent on concluding that Stephen Paddock was sane?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
If we agree that all of these suicidal/mass murderers are mentally ill, then shouldn't we look at upgrading mental health care as a solution? It'd also help with the 50,000ish suicides every year and domestic murders.
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BTW - you are on record opposing health care expansion.

You are on the record opposing Medicare for All.

So you pretend mental illness is a societal problem yet you oppose all proposals that could address it.

So clearly, you're using mental illness as a scapegoat because you don't want to admit the real causes: the fucking guns and police complicity.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
If you truly believe that the police are covering up Paddock's motives, what do you think those motives might be?
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I think he had connections to law enforcement who helped him get the weapons, or who gave him some tangible help unawares.

I think law enforcement had an indication he was a threat but never followed through on it because he was a middle aged white guy who had cop friends.

I don't know why he did it, but I'm pretty confident it wasn't because he had a mental illness...millions of people have mental illnesses and they don't go shoot 500 people.
 
LV426 said:
First of all, blaming mental illness for mass shootings is bullshit.

In the case of Paddock, he had no mental illness diagnosis or anything like that.

It's not mental illness that is causing mass shootings, it's the fucking guns and police complicity.
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And there it is. Took you long enough, dear. LOL
 
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