maineman
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me personally? Hell no... The only vote that I own is my own.
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Taft2016
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No, I said it would be a difficult decision based upon the circumstances.
What makes you say I "hate negroes"? (btw: why soften the word now?) You won't find a bigger supporter of the United Negro College Fund than me.
(Shrugs) Anti-semites are not known for their logic.
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To say there is no comparison is to miss the point. Granted slaves were often beaten and whipped, not to mention their complete lack of freedom. Look at living conditions; access to food, housing, medical attention, etc and you'll begin to see that there really wasn't much of a difference in those areas of life. Northern factory workers had to fend for themselves; which usually meant doing without and living well below the poverty line despite their work and income. Slaves were a massive investment, they cost a lot of money to buy, and simply a pure monetary interest in their slaves kept many slave owners from mistreating them.
Slavery was dead wrong, but to suggest that all slave owners tortured their slaves is also incorrect. So is attempting to say you can't compare the two labour practices. Northern immigrants often had no real way of leaving their miserable conditions since wages were frequently so low that travelling to the free farm land offered in the West was impossible for most of the urban poor at that time so effectively they were slaves.
I also gave you the example of women and children working down the mines in England and children being sent up chimneys, were they better off than slaves? How about all the men press ganged into the Navy what freedoms did they have?
Taft2016
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Thinking clearly isn't your strong suit, is it?
No, I think conditions moved into the area of "significantly better" for northern workers sometime after WW I. They improved for blacks as well, but not at the same rate.
As I said, the "freedoms" you perceive "a hard working White Family" enjoyed were illusions. Freedom to do what exactly? You said "read", which was not true. Whereas it was not unheard of for slaves to be literate.
As for lynchings, you do understand that was largely a post-bellum phenom, don't you? In sheer terms of property, lynching a slave for a minor offense would have been like junking a new car because it got a flat tire on the way home from the showroom.
Which theoretically shouldn't upset you so much because the victims were "free" at that point. The straw hats being worn in the photos would suggest the 1890s at the earliest. In fact, one of the photos looks like it is from the 1920 carnival lynchings in Duluth.
That would be Duluth, MINNESOTA. Home state of Hubert Humphrey, Paul Wellstone, and Al Franken. A state, as far as I know, that never accommodated slavery, and which provided many brave regiments to the Grand Army of the Republic.
If you think lynching was an exclusively black phenomenon, you're wrong. Research by the Tuskegee Institute (which I would suspect is already biased to your perspective) found that between 1882 and 1968, 3446 blacks and 1297 whites were lynched. So comments such as "whites were free not to be lynched," are also malarchy. Is 3446 "significantly worse" than 1297?
That's debatable I suppose. The only thing certain is the the 3446 figure is the history liberals now want to tell, and the 1297 figure is the history liberals now want to bury.
And one-sided, closed-minded, obtuse, and willfully ignorant history is "significantly worse" than a frank and open discussion of actual facts.
Taft2016
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This is all what comes of getting one's history from Hollywood. Ironically, this thread starts off with sarcastic comments about there being no happy dancing slaves in the movie.
I suppose if Hollywood made more films about the horrors of industrial life in the mid-1800s, then libtards might have some visual aids to weigh the subject more fully.
As it stands now, all I can do is prescribe a few Charles Dickens novels. But although libs are free to read, they obviously don't.
I suppose if Hollywood made more films about the horrors of industrial life in the mid-1800s, then libtards might have some visual aids to weigh the subject more fully.
As it stands now, all I can do is prescribe a few Charles Dickens novels. But although libs are free to read, they obviously don't.
He is not going to answer, since he is incapable.
We read all Dickens' books retard. Why do you think we are liberals? More to the point, how could you not be if you actually read them?
1. He is referring to the lynching of free blacks.
2. Killing someone else's slave was free.
evince
Truthmatters
and sociopaths like you will be unmoved huh?
because your better people than those who care about others?
we don't let the sociopaths run the world.
Your brains are not functioning correctly.
evince
Truthmatters
Mankind grew a larger brain due to human interaction that was needed for survival in a group.
people needed each other to survive.
THAT is the record and history of man"kind".
we are compassionate and care for others and it is directly tied to being human.
for some not so much.
they are the abberations.
If you hate your fellow man and are willing to sit and let children starve for YOUR POLITICAL IDEAS you are a shitty human.
You are an aberration of what mankind is designed to be.
We don't let broken brains have POWER over other lives.
people needed each other to survive.
THAT is the record and history of man"kind".
we are compassionate and care for others and it is directly tied to being human.
for some not so much.
they are the abberations.
If you hate your fellow man and are willing to sit and let children starve for YOUR POLITICAL IDEAS you are a shitty human.
You are an aberration of what mankind is designed to be.
We don't let broken brains have POWER over other lives.
Actually, here is where you are wrong Desh. The sick bastards are the ones in charge, which is why shitty stuff is going on.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
why would reading Dickens turn you into a mindless idiot with no real solutions.....
Dickens was a genius who, through prose, related the misery of the repressed and downtrodden. You would understand, scarecrow.
evince
Truthmatters
yes and now its time to insist the brain damaged no longer run the show.
people need to KNOW sociopaths are a dime a dozen in the world.
How many humans realize that there are like 4 in 100 people they meet who are sociopaths.
Most people don't know that its common to KNOW a sociopath and that you already know someone who is one.
They think its like one in a million
If people KNOW how common they are in the population then calling them out for what they are is less intimidating
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Previously I was told that being in a Victorian workhouse was much better than being a slave because they were free. ,Yes, free in the sense that the Nazis had Arbeit Macht Frei over their concentration camps.
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Do you also know that most sociopaths don't realise that they are that way? Which explains why you seem to have zero self awareness in your own craziness and the need to repeat the same old tired rhetoric on a more or less constant basis. They also react in a hostile manner when confronted with examples of their behaviour.
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Sun Devil
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Moving goal posts much?
Just because I showed pictures which appeared "post-slavery" does not necessitate that those actions did not occur during slavery, but nonetheless, let me continue. With respect to "freedom" I'll say that at least philosophically, I do not subscribe to the tenenets of freeewill per say since I believe in essence, all humans are "slaves to something" whether we are slaves to ideals or slaves to natural desires or vices. with that being said in commenting on the comparison model of impoverished whites as opposed to blacks who from slaves to "freed people" I have to say with prejudice, that the conditions of the black man and white man if you look at their circumstances side-by-side their was no comparison. Regardless whether the conditions of the white man in the North were better or worse as opposed to conditions of those in the South.
Regardless of those circumstances that impoverish whites endured, blacks still encountered racism and discrimination in almost all aspects in American society and continue to encounter these unfortunate circumstances which is why you have contemporary programs that were created to even the playing field for minorities. If in fact the economical condition of whites were seemingly worse than that of their minority counter-parts, then I would suppose there would be social programs to reflect that--wait, there is, it's called welfare, but such is a government program to assist all people within this country. Since whites are represented socially and economically and even by population, this is why you do not have specific social/cultural programs to uplift this specific demographic because there is already an over-representation of this particular group. Not to mention the subsequent history of racial prtejudice and discrimination. Taft it would be hard to continue to argue otherwise knowing this fact in history.
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