it's gonna take a lot more then Pence/sanctions..Cold War 2 is entrenched and getting worse
Congress Cements Cold War 2
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Why doesn't Russia change its behavior?
it takes 2 to tango
And what behavior should America change?
To tango with Putin, you must let him lead, not a good idea in my mind.
why? everyone has amnesia to the fact we've seen this movie before -Cold War 1 w/the USSR.
So look there as a template for how to deal with Cold War 2 today.
It's imperative we talk, Not just military to military ( schockingly the OP says we do not);
but also state to state on a geopolitical level.
Start looking for common irritants or common interests and start lower level talks there.
Donbass/Crimea/sanctions/EU-Russian trade/Arctic drilling/keeping buffer states neutral..
Just like escalation inherently breeds more escalation; de-escalation of tensions brings more issues to solve.
Then set up a Summit ( again like the Cold War) and reiterate spheres/arms controls, etc,
We are still able to work with him on common ground issues, we just don't have to do his dance.
we are NOT working with Russia at all. we are NOT talking to Russia, we are looking at anything to do with Russia as a win/loss ; instead of improvement of positions for both.
Putin and Trump both said US/Russian relations are the worst ever and this was before the latest rounds of sanctions.
The other day Putin said he was hoping for an improvement, but now has to accept the fact Trump can't deliver because of Congress and Russiaphobia ( my term)
Putin will take advantage of every opportunity, every sign of weakness, and manipulate every angle he can to get his way (and remember his way is ultimately draining Russia of its wealth -- he runs a Kleptocracy). Removing sanctions would be a MASSIVE show of weakness, and would enable and reward Putin for his behavior. Notice how 'noise' wouldn't answer what the question? Because the only answer he'd be able to come up with is to lift sanctions -- without Putin changing his behavior or giving up the 'wins' he accumulated over the past 10 years. As I said to another pro-Putin poster, Putin takes a thousand steps forward, is expected to move one step back to ease sanctions, and somehow that's a positive result for America.
you got 2 choices. maintain the status quo to more and more weaponization /Cold War
or
seek improvements to lower defense costs and dangers of confrontations.
If you stay the course you continue to drive China and Russia into more and more
permanent military partnerships as well
Assuming you are sane and do not want the status quo escalated- you look to make deals
where it benefits both. and lowers the dangers and costs associated.
The way to do that is to start lower level talks on sanctions/buffer states, all I mentioned above
Instead of being smart and trying to peel away Russian-China alliances-we are driving Putin into Xi's hands.
China is building up a new navy and airforce. Russian power is concentrated in land troops.
They complement each other well.
China is not just doing build up for the S.China Sea, it's looking to field an expeditionary force as well
China moving full speed ahead in construction of aircraft carriers
https://arstechnica.com/information...d-ahead-in-construction-of-aircraft-carriers/
China's plans to build new carriers have not exactly been a secret. Construction of the ship started in March, and was confirmed to be a carrier by People's Liberation Army (PLA) officials speaking to Hong Kong Commercial Daily. The new carrier, called the Type 001A, will include technology currently only used aboard US carriers, according to PLA Navy senior officers: an electromagnetic catapult that will allow aircraft to be launched with greater fuel and weapons loads. That would put China into a very exclusive club.
The Type 001A is likely the first of at least three new carriers that will be built by China...
I remind you Bernie was dead set against it, and even Hillary was dragged into that position-at least by the middle of the campaign
Using the TPP to organize a security alliance was much too high a price to pay.
The TPP was a globalist sop.
http://inthesetimes.com/article/18695/TPP_Free-Trade_Globalization_Obama
Now ask Zipperhead why Canada is not pursuing TPP on its own. Wait for all the non answers.
interesting..i did not know that..
I thought the other nations were moving forward, did I miss something?
Apparently. They all have said they cannot do it without the U.S., there is talk of it, and that is all it is. Talk. When it comes to them actually putting up the money, well, just talk.
Yep, and they were wrong. Withdrawing from TPP is a massive benefit to China. Obama knew this and that's why he supported it till the end. Don't you miss having actual leaders?
The only stories I see indicate they are moving forward, do you have a source?