Confederate flag banned from being sold or displayed on state property in New York

[Sailor]

In walks the stupid fish guy.

Roman has been here the whole time. Not very observant are you?

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
you keep making excuses for neo-nazi's and what they truly are and represent. Similar BS found on Storm Front and other white supremacists/separatists/alt right/neo nazi sites. Yeah, there are still vestiges of that mindset in Germany that are behind a political party. But this is what they can't do and why https://www.vox.com/world/2017/8/16/...harlottesville

Shutting down hate group symbology no matter what race, creed or color does NOT automatically lead to authoritarianism...America has shown that, Germany has shown that, as does Switzerland and Sweden.

I proved subject title on this thread was a LIE. To date no one can refute that. The piss poor attempts to somehow justify free flying racist symbology is just that...piss poor.

You know what I'm it tired if the Bull.

Nazis didn't kill the most.

While I don't applaud Poland for limiting free speech at least they likened the Soviet symbol to the Nazi one.

https://www.rt.com/russia/poland-bans-communist-symbols/

Besides, can you blame anybody for wishing to hold onto their culture?

This isn't just a White thing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/03/world/africa/south-africa-immigrants.html

South African Riots Kill Five and Spur Cries of Xenophobia


Looting a shop in Johannesburg on Monday.
Looting a shop in Johannesburg on Monday.Credit...Michele Spatari/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images
By Julie Turkewitz
Sept. 3, 2019
Rioters looted shops and set fire to cars and buildings in the latest outbreak of violence against African immigrants in and around Johannesburg, South Africa’s largest city. The police said five people were killed and at least 189 arrested.

President Cyril Ramaphosa condemned the violence on Tuesday, calling attacks on foreigners “totally unacceptable” and adding that xenophobia was “something that is completely against the ethos that we as South Africans espouse.”

The violence on Monday night appeared to target shops owned by foreigners, said the mayor of Johannesburg, Herman Mashaba, and follows a spate of similar riots this year that have been part of a larger trend of hostility toward outsiders.

There are fewer than four million migrants in South Africa, a nation of more than 50 million. But attacks on foreign-owned shops have become regular occurrences that many have attributed to frustration with the country’s high unemployment rate, which sits at about 28 percent.

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Somalis, Zimbabweans and Mozambicans have all been victims over the years. But the surge of attacks this week strained tensions in particular between South Africa and Nigeria, which represent the continent’s two largest economies and have long competed for regional influence.


ImageA riot police officer threw a tear-gas canister at looters in Johannesburg on Tuesday.
A riot police officer threw a tear-gas canister at looters in Johannesburg on Tuesday.Credit...Themba Hadebe/Associated Press
Many Nigerians work in South Africa, but they are sometimes stereotyped as criminals and are often the target of attacks, including fatal ones. Many South African businesses operate in Nigeria, and on Tuesday angry Nigerians protested outside South African stores in Lagos.

1. Actually, you're just tired of being exposed for the 3rd rate sympathetic neo-nazi propagandist that you are. Most rational and objective people rejected this crap decades ago, as they do now. If you can't take it, TFB. Don't dish it out.

2. Oh, I didn't know there was a quota to be one of the most reviled groups in history. What's your limit, toodles? How many women and kids need to be marched into ovens and gas chambers, or starved/worked to death in concentration camps? Come, come...don't be shy. Speak right up!

3. What's your point, toodles? Stalin was a murdering psychopath....his Communist successors were just more subtle about it. Nothing in the article excuses or justifies or rationalizes the disgusting, vile history of Hitler's Nazis and what they inflicted upon the world. At least the Poles are making some effort to correct their past sins https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/02/poland-holocaust-death-camps/552455/

4. Who said the evils of racism, xenophobia, etc. were exclusive to one racial or ethinic group? I didn't. I'm just pointing out the sheer BS of the Confederate flag waving flunkies trying to nullify how the evils of institutionalized slavery permeates their ideology. TFB if you don't like it, because you sure as hell can't logicallyor fatually refute it. Saying, "oh yeah, well black people do it too!" is no justification.

And for the record, how does your link wash away the history of apartheid? And no, the revisionism by apartheid die hards that in fighting among black revolutionary factions killed more black Africans than apartheid's 46 years of imprisonment, enforced ghettos, mining conditions, etc. won't cut it.

4. Hold onto their culture?!!?? WTF are you, Goebbles reincarnation? Since when does a decent "cullture" depend upon slavery? What's hysterical is that all you confederate flag waving flunkies had no problem with your ancestors breaking with England for reasons WAY less destructive to the human condition than slavery. That was too much, yet it was okay to treat other human beings as less than zero.

5.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
"Enrage us"? Are you saying that the "right wing" is endosing the symbology of a racist based attempted government that wanted to continue to exist in America after slavery was officially ended? Gee, whenever someone points out that's what you guys are about, the banshee wail of denial and BS from you guys can be heard for miles. Thanks for clearing that up.

And PLEASE look up the definition of authoritarinism, as you seem confused in relating it to protests against racist ideology.

I'm not particularly fond of the Confederacy they were traitors who killed Americans & wanted to keep Black slaves.

Actually I don't know why racists would side with the South over the North considering Black people are here because of Southerners.

Maybe they're just trolls who love pissing you off?

1. If that's the case, then WTF are you wasting time and space ragging on my posts, since they are acting exactly on your alleged dislikes? Come, come RD, get it together. You can't wail Constitutional rights and at the same time endorse ideology that works against the "common good" of American citizens.

2. You seem confused, RD. Are you for or against the Confederate flag waving on state property as the OP article actually stated? Remember, I already pointed out the lie about the article in the subject title of this thread.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Pay attention, chuckles....I the "solution" was already provided in the link in the OP. All I did was point out the LIE the subject title of this thread told about the content of that link. Jokers like you on this thread are just pissed that you can't fly your bigoted convoluted clap trap without consequences (i.e., people calling you out for what you support, laws by the majority prohibiting such)...much less being proved wrong on one particular point.

Like I told one of you compadres....you're free to say or display whatever you want....that is your right under the Constitution. However, that right does not make you immune from the consequences of your actions (slander, public nuisance, incite to riot, etc.). That's why "hate speech" is a crime...becuase it can (and has) caused disturbance of the peace, slander, and has incited riots. A matter of history, a matter of fact.

The problem for you and your mindset is that you can't spew your bilge without consequences...so you whine like little bitches. TFB.

I think you are believing Western Europe is far more tolerant than America.

That's actually not the case.

Western Europe is also lerching towards the Right, even in spite of such bans.

Although they are behind Poland who has Holocaust denial Banned & Banned Nazi symbols is already Right Wing.

What was achieved!?

WTF are you babbling about now, RD? Nowhere in our exchanges or my exchanges with others did I state, insinuate or allude to what you say here. Stay focused....the conversation was about the LIE in the subject title of this thread that I exposed. Subsequently, some wanted to defend the "right" of Confederate flag wavers and somehow muddle the racist history of slavery that impregnates it's fiber. I made short work of that clap trap. So stop trying to shift the goal post.

 

[Lightbringer]

WTF are you babbling about now, RD? Nowhere in our exchanges or my exchanges with others did I state, insinuate or allude to what you say here. Stay focused....the conversation was about the LIE in the subject title of this thread that I exposed. Subsequently, some wanted to defend the "right" of Confederate flag wavers and somehow muddle the racist history of slavery that impregnates it's fiber. I made short work of that clap trap. So stop trying to shift the goal post.

Oh look, taichipolesmoker saying more stupid shit.

Awesome.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
My good man, you can't clean this up. You were wrong...proven wrong factually, logically and rationally. You can't just flat out concede to that and are trying to save face. I know I can't persuade the insipidly stubborn...I just debate the issue to it's logical conclusion. The objective readers see the obvious flaws in a painfully obvious bad position.

YOU don't dictate how I post/respond, as I don't dictate to you how to post/respond. That complaint is a dodge by you to avoid admitting error. Whatever, you can have the last predictable retort.....Peace out, I'm off to party!

Clean up what, T-liberal? What, precisely, are you claiming I said that was wrong?

BTW, thanks for the modern liberal view that people who are wrong are condemned to Liberal Hell forever. It fits you.

Obviously no one dictates what people post. Only the nutjobs think that isn't true.

Please don't waste time and space playing dumber than you are, Dutch....the chronology of the posts is there for the objective reader to see that folly of yours. And stubbornly repeating a false accusations that have already been disproven logically and factually just makes you look even more like the insipidly stubborn right wing wonk I tagged you for earlier. You can't move the goal post, you can't shift to myopic rhetoric. You just can't admit you were wrong. pathetic.

You're done, son.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Prove your claim, T-Lib or people will start thinking you and Roman are twins.

Go blow smoke up Roman's ass, Dutch. Like him, the only person who reads the chronology of the posts and believes your guff here will be the person you see in the mirror.

You're done, my insipidly stubborn right wing wonk in denial friend. Adios.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Racists inciting a riot?

Are you saying Black Lives Matter & ANTIFA are racist?

Well, I mean wouldn't White Lives Matter because racist?

Why such hypocrisy?

But of course the only recent riots I see are BLM & ANTIFA.

Maybe they should be banned too?

Are BLM and AntiFa pushing platforms against a particular race/ethnicity? Nope. I defy you to produce any statements of such from the BLM leadership that states such. Meanwhile, chew on this:

Police: Richmond riots instigated by white supremacists disguised as Black Lives Matter
https://www.wsls.com/news/virginia/...supremacists-disguised-as-black-lives-matter/

 

[Taichiliberal]

My view is this: The confederate flag is an ugly symbol of racism and treason. I'd wish it was not popularized
but should be the artifact that it is, just in disuse, forgotten except in museums.

On the other hand, banning it is falling into a trap of the retarded racist right. I'd prefer in most things
to not spend time doing symbolic things that anger the know-nothings, but spend the capital on substantive stuff,
the kind that matters, like food, war and peace, shelter, jobs and wages, healthcare.

In other words, it's like a cross on a federal land. Sure its wrong, but its low on my list of things and gives
the lunatic fringe right something dumb to get them to the polls. If they are going to hate me anyway,
hate me for raising the minimum wage, fighting covid, or fighting global warming, not for taking away their god given right to express stupidity or racism.

I get what you're saying...but here's two point of contention:

I don't give a damn about any "traps" by the likes of the alt right and neo nazis and their sympathizers....if history has taught us anything, is that you nip this crap in the bud. If that is through legal means, public advocacy or just challenging it in the open media forum like this, then that's what needs to be done. We can multi-task with the other world problems. It's not that hard, it's just trying at times. But if we don't, these cretins build on their unchallenged "successes". And that can't happen.

 

[Lightbringer]

I get what you're saying...but here's two point of contention:

I don't give a damn about any "traps" by the likes of the alt right and neo nazis and their sympathizers....if history has taught us anything, is that you nip this crap in the bud. If that is through legal means, public advocacy or just challenging it in the open media forum like this, then that's what needs to be done. We can multi-task with the other world problems. It's not that hard, it's just trying at times. But if we don't, these cretins build on their unchallenged "successes". And that can't happen.

Yep. I couldn't agree more.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Please don't waste time and space playing dumber than you are, Dutch....the chronology of the posts is there for the objective reader to see that folly of yours. And stubbornly repeating a false accusations that have already been disproven logically and factually just makes you look even more like the insipidly stubborn right wing wonk I tagged you for earlier. You can't move the goal post, you can't shift to myopic rhetoric. You just can't admit you were wrong. pathetic.

You're done, son.

Dude, you keep making up this imaginary scenario or confusing me with someone else. You've been making the same claim for a few days now yet you keep refusing to specify what it was where you're right and I'm wrong.

That's fine. There are lots of haters on this forum whining about crap that doesn't exist or doesn't apply to me. The RWNJs like to use Cuomo's handling of COVID in NY when I complain about Trump fucking up. It's a bullshit argument since Cuomo's actions concern New Yorkers but Trump's actions affect me in Texas.

 

[Micawber]

You live in superpower country of stone cold winners and you display the flag of some traitors who lost a war for slavery against it one hundred sixty years ago.

Redneck trash are stupid in every way.

 

[BattleofHodow]

1. If that's the case, then WTF are you wasting time and space ragging on my posts, since they are acting exactly on your alleged dislikes? Come, come RD, get it together. You can't wail Constitutional rights and at the same time endorse ideology that works against the "common good" of American citizens.

2. You seem confused, RD. Are you for or against the Confederate flag waving on state property as the OP article actually stated? Remember, I already pointed out the lie about the article in the subject title of this thread.

I don't know if we're going to be banning flags, this wasn't a very good job.

All Communist flags & British Union Jacks should've been banned too.

They killed way more than the Confederacy, just saying.

 

[philly rabbit]

Dude, you keep making up this imaginary scenario or confusing me with someone else. You've been making the same claim for a few days now yet you keep refusing to specify what it was where you're right and I'm wrong.

That's fine. There are lots of haters on this forum whining about crap that doesn't exist or doesn't apply to me. The RWNJs like to use Cuomo's handling of COVID in NY when I complain about Trump fucking up. It's a bullshit argument since Cuomo's actions concern New Yorkers but Trump's actions affect me in Texas.

Confirm this for me.

Did you say that President Trump killed 300 thousand Americans?

 

[katzgar]

I don't know if we're going to be banning flags, this wasn't a very good job.

All Communist flags & British Union Jacks should've been banned too.

They killed way more than the Confederacy, just saying.

personally I'm in favor of the Confederate flag it's an easy way for people to signal that they're morons

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Confirm this for me.

Did you say that President Trump killed 300 thousand Americans?

No. Trump fucked up the COVID response. Obviously people were going to die from a fatal novel virus with no known cure or vaccine. How many die depends upon the leadership of the nation and its citizens. It's not just the deaths, but the tens of thousands left with lingering coughs or permanent lung damage.

Preventable deaths is a leadership failure just like the Mayor of New Orleans failed in many ways to protect his citizens with warnings, information and evacuation plans. By the time Katrina arrived, it was too late. Result of a leadership failure in New Orleans vs. Katrina? 1800 dead Americans.

People were going to die in any Hurricane simply because they refuse to leave, but the problem with New Orleans is that people had no place to go and no transportation to go to any state centers. It's unreasonable to think all the 1800 lives would have been saved, but it's reasonable to think half or more could have been saved.

If Trump had pushed standard CDC protocols when given, lives would have been saved. If the logistics of distribution the vaccine had been planned, lives would have been saved. Right now there are millions of doses of vaccine sitting at the factory waiting for distribution to the arms of Americans across the country. The fact they are still sitting in storage is a leadership failure.

 

[BattleofHodow]

1. Actually, you're just tired of being exposed for the 3rd rate sympathetic neo-nazi propagandist that you are. Most rational and objective people rejected this crap decades ago, as they do now. If you can't take it, TFB. Don't dish it out.

2. Oh, I didn't know there was a quota to be one of the most reviled groups in history. What's your limit, toodles? How many women and kids need to be marched into ovens and gas chambers, or starved/worked to death in concentration camps? Come, come...don't be shy. Speak right up!

3. What's your point, toodles? Stalin was a murdering psychopath....his Communist successors were just more subtle about it. Nothing in the article excuses or justifies or rationalizes the disgusting, vile history of Hitler's Nazis and what they inflicted upon the world. At least the Poles are making some effort to correct their past sins https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/02/poland-holocaust-death-camps/552455/

4. Who said the evils of racism, xenophobia, etc. were exclusive to one racial or ethinic group? I didn't. I'm just pointing out the sheer BS of the Confederate flag waving flunkies trying to nullify how the evils of institutionalized slavery permeates their ideology. TFB if you don't like it, because you sure as hell can't logicallyor fatually refute it. Saying, "oh yeah, well black people do it too!" is no justification.

And for the record, how does your link wash away the history of apartheid? And no, the revisionism by apartheid die hards that in fighting among black revolutionary factions killed more black Africans than apartheid's 46 years of imprisonment, enforced ghettos, mining conditions, etc. won't cut it.

4. Hold onto their culture?!!?? WTF are you, Goebbles reincarnation? Since when does a decent "cullture" depend upon slavery? What's hysterical is that all you confederate flag waving flunkies had no problem with your ancestors breaking with England for reasons WAY less destructive to the human condition than slavery. That was too much, yet it was okay to treat other human beings as less than zero.

5.

My ancestors fought England?
Maybe in Ireland & maybe the Polish side in the Battle of Fuegirola
But not here presumably.

My ancestors came from Ireland & Poland in the early 20th century.

What Polish history?

First off Poland was trying to limit people blaming Poland for the Holocaust.

The Jews are so upset about that.

But, Jews applauded when Poland limited
Holocaust denial.

Apparently it was okay when Jews blamed Poles for the Holocaust but not when the Polish President blamed Jews for the Holocaust.

Jews really were Nazi collaborators too

Jewish Ghetto Police.

Judenrate.

Jewish Sonderkommandos.

Jewish Kapos.

Group 13.

Now let's talk about Jews killing & enslaving Poles like Salomon Morel, Jakub Berman, Slidell Revolt, Massacre of Brostownica Mala etc.

 

[BattleofHodow]

1. Actually, you're just tired of being exposed for the 3rd rate sympathetic neo-nazi propagandist that you are. Most rational and objective people rejected this crap decades ago, as they do now. If you can't take it, TFB. Don't dish it out.

2. Oh, I didn't know there was a quota to be one of the most reviled groups in history. What's your limit, toodles? How many women and kids need to be marched into ovens and gas chambers, or starved/worked to death in concentration camps? Come, come...don't be shy. Speak right up!

3. What's your point, toodles? Stalin was a murdering psychopath....his Communist successors were just more subtle about it. Nothing in the article excuses or justifies or rationalizes the disgusting, vile history of Hitler's Nazis and what they inflicted upon the world. At least the Poles are making some effort to correct their past sins https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/02/poland-holocaust-death-camps/552455/

4. Who said the evils of racism, xenophobia, etc. were exclusive to one racial or ethinic group? I didn't. I'm just pointing out the sheer BS of the Confederate flag waving flunkies trying to nullify how the evils of institutionalized slavery permeates their ideology. TFB if you don't like it, because you sure as hell can't logicallyor fatually refute it. Saying, "oh yeah, well black people do it too!" is no justification.

And for the record, how does your link wash away the history of apartheid? And no, the revisionism by apartheid die hards that in fighting among black revolutionary factions killed more black Africans than apartheid's 46 years of imprisonment, enforced ghettos, mining conditions, etc. won't cut it.

4. Hold onto their culture?!!?? WTF are you, Goebbles reincarnation? Since when does a decent "cullture" depend upon slavery? What's hysterical is that all you confederate flag waving flunkies had no problem with your ancestors breaking with England for reasons WAY less destructive to the human condition than slavery. That was too much, yet it was okay to treat other human beings as less than zero.

5.

Sure, Blacks aren't without guilt.

In the Arab Slave Trade & the Atlantic Slave Trade Almost all Blacks were sold by other Blacks to Caucasians.

Also, note many of the biggest atrocities in the past 30 years include Blacks like the Rwanda Genocide & Congo Civil War.

The Congo Civil Wars killed about 5 million.

Rwanda was the fastest killing of genocides tied for Nazi reprisal against Soviets in Operation Barbarossa.

PS.
Racism started with a North African Arab MOOR Ibn Khaldun.

Why is there just White guilt?

Where's Arab guilt, Black guilt etc.???

 

[BattleofHodow]

WTF are you babbling about now, RD? Nowhere in our exchanges or my exchanges with others did I state, insinuate or allude to what you say here. Stay focused....the conversation was about the LIE in the subject title of this thread that I exposed. Subsequently, some wanted to defend the "right" of Confederate flag wavers and somehow muddle the racist history of slavery that impregnates it's fiber. I made short work of that clap trap. So stop trying to shift the goal post.

I'm not enthralled with the Confederates, I'm in enthralled with the 1st amendment.

 

[BattleofHodow]

1. Actually, you're just tired of being exposed for the 3rd rate sympathetic neo-nazi propagandist that you are. Most rational and objective people rejected this crap decades ago, as they do now. If you can't take it, TFB. Don't dish it out.

2. Oh, I didn't know there was a quota to be one of the most reviled groups in history. What's your limit, toodles? How many women and kids need to be marched into ovens and gas chambers, or starved/worked to death in concentration camps? Come, come...don't be shy. Speak right up!

3. What's your point, toodles? Stalin was a murdering psychopath....his Communist successors were just more subtle about it. Nothing in the article excuses or justifies or rationalizes the disgusting, vile history of Hitler's Nazis and what they inflicted upon the world. At least the Poles are making some effort to correct their past sins https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/02/poland-holocaust-death-camps/552455/

4. Who said the evils of racism, xenophobia, etc. were exclusive to one racial or ethinic group? I didn't. I'm just pointing out the sheer BS of the Confederate flag waving flunkies trying to nullify how the evils of institutionalized slavery permeates their ideology. TFB if you don't like it, because you sure as hell can't logicallyor fatually refute it. Saying, "oh yeah, well black people do it too!" is no justification.

And for the record, how does your link wash away the history of apartheid? And no, the revisionism by apartheid die hards that in fighting among black revolutionary factions killed more black Africans than apartheid's 46 years of imprisonment, enforced ghettos, mining conditions, etc. won't cut it.

4. Hold onto their culture?!!?? WTF are you, Goebbles reincarnation? Since when does a decent "cullture" depend upon slavery? What's hysterical is that all you confederate flag waving flunkies had no problem with your ancestors breaking with England for reasons WAY less destructive to the human condition than slavery. That was too much, yet it was okay to treat other human beings as less than zero.

5.

I don't want to harm anybody on the offensive.

Self defense only.

I'm against these USA wars for a reason.

You don't know the people you're killing, you could be bombing women & children.

A lot of others killed, not just bad guys.