Confederate flag banned from being sold or displayed on state property in New York

[BattleofHodow]

Are BLM and AntiFa pushing platforms against a particular race/ethnicity? Nope. I defy you to produce any statements of such from the BLM leadership that states such. Meanwhile, chew on this:

Police: Richmond riots instigated by white supremacists disguised as Black Lives Matter
https://www.wsls.com/news/virginia/...supremacists-disguised-as-black-lives-matter/

Black Lives Matter has killed at least a couple dozen & looted & burned, destroyed a ton.

But, I guess that's cool.

All Lives Matter is the problem.

BLM may or may not include Racists.

But they are Nationalists of the Black style.

They do seem to hate America very much.

 

[philly rabbit]

I'm not enthralled with the Confederates, I'm in enthralled with the 1st amendment.

You're dealing with authoritarians.

We cannot allow these people to tell us what we can and cannot say.

In America, everybody has to be offended if we're going to have freedom.

 

[philly rabbit]

No. Trump fucked up the COVID response. Obviously people were going to die from a fatal novel virus with no known cure or vaccine. How many die depends upon the leadership of the nation and its citizens. It's not just the deaths, but the tens of thousands left with lingering coughs or permanent lung damage.

Preventable deaths is a leadership failure just like the Mayor of New Orleans failed in many ways to protect his citizens with warnings, information and evacuation plans. By the time Katrina arrived, it was too late. Result of a leadership failure in New Orleans vs. Katrina? 1800 dead Americans.

People were going to die in any Hurricane simply because they refuse to leave, but the problem with New Orleans is that people had no place to go and no transportation to go to any state centers. It's unreasonable to think all the 1800 lives would have been saved, but it's reasonable to think half or more could have been saved.

If Trump had pushed standard CDC protocols when given, lives would have been saved. If the logistics of distribution the vaccine had been planned, lives would have been saved. Right now there are millions of doses of vaccine sitting at the factory waiting for distribution to the arms of Americans across the country. The fact they are still sitting in storage is a leadership failure.

So you're not going to give Trump absolutely no credit for anything.

Is what you're really saying.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
1. If that's the case, then WTF are you wasting time and space ragging on my posts, since they are acting exactly on your alleged dislikes? Come, come RD, get it together. You can't wail Constitutional rights and at the same time endorse ideology that works against the "common good" of American citizens.

2. You seem confused, RD. Are you for or against the Confederate flag waving on state property as the OP article actually stated? Remember, I already pointed out the lie about the article in the subject title of this thread.

I don't know if we're going to be banning flags, this wasn't a very good job.

All Communist flags & British Union Jacks should've been banned too.

They killed way more than the Confederacy, just saying.

You're babbling again, RD. And you STILL didn't answer simple questions. Quit stalling, lay off the 3rd rate David Duke propaganda act and just honestly answer the freak'in questions .... if you've got the guts.

 

[gemini104104]

WHICH TYPES OF SPEECH ARE NOT PROTECTED BY THE FIRST AMENDMENT?
Although different scholars view unprotected speech in different ways, there are basically nine categories:

Obscenity
Fighting words
Defamation (including libel and slander)
Child pornography
Perjury
Blackmail
Incitement to imminent lawless action
True threats
Solicitations to commit crimes
Some experts also would add treason, if committed verbally, to that list. Plagiarism of copyrighted material is also not protected.

https://www.freedomforuminstitute.o...ech-are-not-protected-by-the-first-amendment/

Solicitations meaning flags and other un American and un Constitutional objects in order to incite violence and insurrection against citizens and the State.

 

[Taichiliberal]

My ancestors fought England?
Maybe in Ireland & maybe the Polish side in the Battle of Fuegirola
But not here presumably.

My ancestors came from Ireland & Poland in the early 20th century.

What Polish history?

First off Poland was trying to limit people blaming Poland for the Holocaust.

The Jews are so upset about that.

But, Jews applauded when Poland limited
Holocaust denial.

Apparently it was okay when Jews blamed Poles for the Holocaust but not when the Polish President blamed Jews for the Holocaust.

Jews really were Nazi collaborators too

Jewish Ghetto Police.

Judenrate.

Jewish Sonderkommandos.

Jewish Kapos.

Group 13.

Now let's talk about Jews killing & enslaving Poles like Salomon Morel, Jakub Berman, Slidell Revolt, Massacre of Brostownica Mala etc.

Here genius...a little bit of education for your willfully ignorant keister as to what preceded the 20th century immigration: https://www.mentalfloss.com/article...Andrzej Tadeusz Bonawentura Kościuszko More

https://irishamerica.com/2016/03/famous-irish-of-the-american-revolution/

As for the rest of your drivel....you just ignore my 4 points to (once again) try and equate or generalize the evils of American slavery that was a cornerstone of the existence of the "Confederacy" by some convoluted babbling about Jews, Poles and the holocaust. Pity you didn't read what I wrote carefully and comprehensively (damn, I'm getting tired of repeating that). In effect, you're just doubling down on something I already addressed. You can't handle the FACT that I proved the subject title is a lie, and you can't logically or rationally defend the twisted ideology of defending Confederate flag waving.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Sure, Blacks aren't without guilt.

In the Arab Slave Trade & the Atlantic Slave Trade Almost all Blacks were sold by other Blacks to Caucasians.

Also, note many of the biggest atrocities in the past 30 years include Blacks like the Rwanda Genocide & Congo Civil War.

The Congo Civil Wars killed about 5 million.

Rwanda was the fastest killing of genocides tied for Nazi reprisal against Soviets in Operation Barbarossa.

PS.
Racism started with a North African Arab MOOR Ibn Khaldun.

Why is there just White guilt?

Where's Arab guilt, Black guilt etc.???

Once again, you just ignore the points of my posts to try and use it as a jumping off point for more of your "blacks are just as bad as American slavery" schtick. Again and again I ask you ... how does all your half assesd blatherings excuse or justify or lessen the core evil of the American Confederacy, that which was slavery for over 2 centuries? I already disproved the lie that is the subject title of this thread, and pointed out that while you have the right to wave that POS flag, that right does make you immune from consequences (state, federal law).

So grow a pair, knock off the lame David Duke wanna be propaganda schtick and answer the question.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
WTF are you babbling about now, RD? Nowhere in our exchanges or my exchanges with others did I state, insinuate or allude to what you say here. Stay focused....the conversation was about the LIE in the subject title of this thread that I exposed. Subsequently, some wanted to defend the "right" of Confederate flag wavers and somehow muddle the racist history of slavery that impregnates it's fiber. I made short work of that clap trap. So stop trying to shift the goal post.

I'm not enthralled with the Confederates, I'm in enthralled with the 1st amendment.

Actually, you're just another hack bigot parroting the David Duke "smart racists" act. Trying to hide your bigotry and racism behing the Constitution doesn't cut it here toodles, because the Constitution does NOT make you immune to the consequences of your actions (slander, inciting to riot, etc.). So if you can't stand being held accountable to state and/or federal law regarding where and when you get indulge your pointed hood wet dreams, do one of two things; (1) elect like minded representatives to change the laws (2) Move out of the country.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
1. Actually, you're just tired of being exposed for the 3rd rate sympathetic neo-nazi propagandist that you are. Most rational and objective people rejected this crap decades ago, as they do now. If you can't take it, TFB. Don't dish it out.

2. Oh, I didn't know there was a quota to be one of the most reviled groups in history. What's your limit, toodles? How many women and kids need to be marched into ovens and gas chambers, or starved/worked to death in concentration camps? Come, come...don't be shy. Speak right up!

3. What's your point, toodles? Stalin was a murdering psychopath....his Communist successors were just more subtle about it. Nothing in the article excuses or justifies or rationalizes the disgusting, vile history of Hitler's Nazis and what they inflicted upon the world. At least the Poles are making some effort to correct their past sins https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...-camps/552455/

4. Who said the evils of racism, xenophobia, etc. were exclusive to one racial or ethinic group? I didn't. I'm just pointing out the sheer BS of the Confederate flag waving flunkies trying to nullify how the evils of institutionalized slavery permeates their ideology. TFB if you don't like it, because you sure as hell can't logicallyor fatually refute it. Saying, "oh yeah, well black people do it too!" is no justification.

And for the record, how does your link wash away the history of apartheid? And no, the revisionism by apartheid die hards that in fighting among black revolutionary factions killed more black Africans than apartheid's 46 years of imprisonment, enforced ghettos, mining conditions, etc. won't cut it.

4. Hold onto their culture?!!?? WTF are you, Goebbles reincarnation? Since when does a decent "cullture" depend upon slavery? What's hysterical is that all you confederate flag waving flunkies had no problem with your ancestors breaking with England for reasons WAY less destructive to the human condition than slavery. That was too much, yet it was okay to treat other human beings as less than zero.

I don't want to harm anybody on the offensive.

Self defense only.

I'm against these USA wars for a reason.

You don't know the people you're killing, you could be bombing women & children.

A lot of others killed, not just bad guys.

You seem to have a habit of trying to deflect or detour what I post with some self aggrandizing BS that segways into some other drivel.

But you fail with each attempt.

You can't fool people in a printed medium, toodles. All the rational, objective reader has to do is clik on the arrow to see the chronology of the posts and your folly. No matter how you wiggle and dance, you can't get past the fact that there is NO justification or equivocation for Confederate flag supporters trying to divorce slavery from the Confederacy. Carry on.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Are BLM and AntiFa pushing platforms against a particular race/ethnicity? Nope. I defy you to produce any statements of such from the BLM leadership that states such. Meanwhile, chew on this:

Police: Richmond riots instigated by white supremacists disguised as Black Lives Matter
https://www.wsls.com/news/virginia/2...-lives-matter/

Black Lives Matter has killed at least a couple dozen & looted & burned, destroyed a ton.

But, I guess that's cool.

All Lives Matter is the problem.

BLM may or may not include Racists.

But they are Nationalists of the Black style.

They do seem to hate America very much.

I asked for PROOF, toodles...not more of your supposition and conjecture laden BS.

If you can't meet a simple burden of proof or don't have the guts to concede a point, don't waste the readers time.

And I noticed how you ignored PROOF that contradicted your previous assertion. Come, come, RD....buck up and face your propagandistic failures.

 

[Taichiliberal]

You're dealing with authoritarians.

We cannot allow these people to tell us what we can and cannot say.

In America, everybody has to be offended if we're going to have freedom.

Look up the definition of "authoritarian", you silly rabbit. Then explain how the law in question (of which the subject thread LIED about) is an "authoritarian" ruling.

If you can't, then you're just a silly rabbit babbling away.

 

[philly rabbit]

Look up the definition of "authoritarian", you silly rabbit. Then explain how the law in question (of which the subject thread LIED about) is an "authoritarian" ruling.

If you can't, then you're just a silly rabbit babbling away.

I have to put up with your black lives matter killing police and putting Trump supporters in the hospital for wearing MAGA hats.

I have to put up with NFL players kneeling for the national anthem supporting black lives matter doing those things.

I have to put up with your fuck*ng political correctness.

I have to put up with your filthy pornography all over the place.

I even have to put up with you.

But you keep telling me what I can and cannot say.

 

[BattleofHodow]

You're babbling again, RD. And you STILL didn't answer simple questions. Quit stalling, lay off the 3rd rate David Duke propaganda act and just honestly answer the freak'in questions .... if you've got the guts.

I'm sure many feel the Hammer & Sickle & Union Jacks are offensive.

That's not David Duke.

David Duke is British he's probably proud of the Union Jack.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Once again, you just ignore the points of my posts to try and use it as a jumping off point for more of your "blacks are just as bad as American slavery" schtick. Again and again I ask you ... how does all your half assesd blatherings excuse or justify or lessen the core evil of the American Confederacy, that which was slavery for over 2 centuries? I already disproved the lie that is the subject title of this thread, and pointed out that while you have the right to wave that POS flag, that right does make you immune from consequences (state, federal law).

So grow a pair, knock off the lame David Duke wanna be propaganda schtick and answer the question.

Either we support freedom of speech & expression.
Or
We ban every flag people find offensive.

Which do you prefer!?

 

[BattleofHodow]

Actually, you're just another hack bigot parroting the David Duke "smart racists" act. Trying to hide your bigotry and racism behing the Constitution doesn't cut it here toodles, because the Constitution does NOT make you immune to the consequences of your actions (slander, inciting to riot, etc.). So if you can't stand being held accountable to state and/or federal law regarding where and when you get indulge your pointed hood wet dreams, do one of two things; (1) elect like minded representatives to change the laws (2) Move out of the country.

Maybe you need a waaaabulance for an emotional boo boo.

Millions of Irish died under the Union Jack, I don't want to ban that.??

Millions of Polish died under to the Swastika, I don't want to ban that..??

Maybe you need to take some testosterone therapy & meditate to calm your nerves.??

Because it seems your issue is an emotional one.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Look up the definition of "authoritarian", you silly rabbit. Then explain how the law in question (of which the subject thread LIED about) is an "authoritarian" ruling.

If you can't, then you're just a silly rabbit babbling away.

I have to put up with your black lives matter killing police and putting Trump supporters in the hospital for wearing MAGA hats.

I have to put up with NFL players kneeling for the national anthem supporting black lives matter doing those things.

I have to put up with your fuck*ng political correctness.

I have to put up with your filthy pornography all over the place.

I even have to put up with you.

But you keep telling me what I can and cannot say.

And as the objective, rational reader can clearly read, when intellectually impotent right wing flunkies like the Philly Rabbit are directly challenged to properly define and prove their statements, they throw a tantrum that would make the likes of Alex Jones and Michael Savage proud.

Mind you, PR never answers the question or explain how he redefines the word "authoritarian", he just rants his bigoted bilge to change the subject....but then intellectual cowardice via bluff and bluster has always been his forte.

Silly Rabbit, debates are for adults. Babble on.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
You're babbling again, RD. And you STILL didn't answer simple questions. Quit stalling, lay off the 3rd rate David Duke propaganda act and just honestly answer the freak'in questions .... if you've got the guts.

I'm sure many feel the Hammer & Sickle & Union Jacks are offensive.

That's not David Duke.

David Duke is British he's probably proud of the Union Jack.

Okay, once more for the cheap seats......Are you for or against the Confederate flag waving on state property as the OP article actually stated? Remember, I already pointed out the lie about the article in the subject title of this thread.

If you can't or won't answer a simple question, then go blow your smoke up the Philly Rabbit's butt and stop wasting time and space with me.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Once again, you just ignore the points of my posts to try and use it as a jumping off point for more of your "blacks are just as bad as American slavery" schtick. Again and again I ask you ... how does all your half assesd blatherings excuse or justify or lessen the core evil of the American Confederacy, that which was slavery for over 2 centuries? I already disproved the lie that is the subject title of this thread, and pointed out that while you have the right to wave that POS flag, that right does make you immune from consequences (state, federal law).

So grow a pair, knock off the lame David Duke wanna be propaganda schtick and answer the question.

Either we support freedom of speech & expression.
Or
We ban every flag people find offensive.

Which do you prefer!?

I prefer you grow a pair and answer the questions instead of parroting this generalized BS of yours. If you don't understand, get someone to explain them to you. Once more for the mentally challenged: I ask you ... how does all your half assesd blatherings excuse or justify or lessen the core evil of the American Confederacy, that which was slavery for over 2 centuries? I already disproved the lie that is the subject title of this thread, and pointed out that while you have the right to wave that POS flag, that right does make you immune from consequences (state, federal law).

Remember toodles, you have the right to freedom of expression....you don't have immunity to the consequences of that expression....that's why we have laws that addresss, inciting to riot, slander, disturbing the peace.

But do let me know what flag in the last 50 years that individual Americans fly that has an onus equal to that of slavery and the confederacy...and what it represents to a particular portion of the citizenry. The reading audience awaits.

 

[BattleofHodow]

I prefer you grow a pair and answer the questions instead of parroting this generalized BS of yours. If you don't understand, get someone to explain them to you. Once more for the mentally challenged: I ask you ... how does all your half assesd blatherings excuse or justify or lessen the core evil of the American Confederacy, that which was slavery for over 2 centuries? I already disproved the lie that is the subject title of this thread, and pointed out that while you have the right to wave that POS flag, that right does make you immune from consequences (state, federal law).

Remember toodles, you have the right to freedom of expression....you don't have immunity to the consequences of that expression....that's why we have laws that addresss, inciting to riot, slander, disturbing the peace.

But do let me know what flag in the last 50 years that individual Americans fly that has an onus equal to that of slavery and the confederacy...and what it represents to a particular portion of the citizenry. The reading audience awaits.

Lots of slaves were enslaved under flags, like the Brazilian flag, the British Union
Jack, the Soviet Hammer & Sickle, the Nazi Swastika, the American flag & yes the Confederate flag.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Actually, you're just another hack bigot parroting the David Duke "smart racists" act. Trying to hide your bigotry and racism behing the Constitution doesn't cut it here toodles, because the Constitution does NOT make you immune to the consequences of your actions (slander, inciting to riot, etc.). So if you can't stand being held accountable to state and/or federal law regarding where and when you get indulge your pointed hood wet dreams, do one of two things; (1) elect like minded representatives to change the laws (2) Move out of the country.

Maybe you need a waaaabulance for an emotional boo boo.

Millions of Irish died under the Union Jack, I don't want to ban that.??

Millions of Polish died under to the Swastika, I don't want to ban that..??

Maybe you need to take some testosterone therapy & meditate to calm your nerves.??

Because it seems your issue is an emotional one.

Your first sentence reveals your inability to muster an intellectually mature, factual and rational response. Not surprising.

That you project your own emotional response to being faced with the logic of my posts regarding the lie of the OP and the subsequent smoke you blow regarding the Confederat flag is not surprising as well.

What's comical is how you make my case for me....you see toodles, YOU inadvertently equate the heinous history of the Confederate flag with Nazi symbolism and the imperialistic history of the British flag to many Irish (i.e., Northern Ireland, Sinn Fein). All have a history of violent, dispicable and disgusting acts against innocent people. Yet you, who throw a hissy fit about BLM (which does not have such a flag or history behind it), seem to relish people pushing such dreck attempting to divorce the vile history behind it.

Well, Poland don't play that https://www.timesofisrael.com/poland-bans-neo-nazi-group-filmed-celebrating-hitlers-birthday/

And the Irish are VERY particular as to what flag is flown where https://cain.ulster.ac.uk/images/symbols/flags.htm

And since this is AMERICA, we deal with bigoted BS artist like yourself in the courts of law and public opinion....as I laid waste to your poorly attempted nonsense regarding justification for flying the Confederate flag.

You're pretty much done, RD....you don't dare honestly and directly answer questions, and you continuingly display your ignorance of your claimed ethnicity in relation to the subject at hand.

I already proved the subject title of this thread was a LIE. There is no "ban" or attempt to wipe the history of the Confederacy from the record. The majority of Americans simply don't like the Klan, Confederate die hards, or bigots with delusions of intellectualism like you. So you want to wave the Confederate flag from your house, go right ahead...so long as it doesn't violate any county ordinances or state laws. You don't like the laws,either elect people to change them, STFU and stew about at the next alt right meeting or leave the country. Carry on.

If you've got nothing else, I'd say we're done here.